*🇱🇷*🇱🇷* Election Chat Thread III: The land of Cope and Dreams *🇱🇷*🇱🇷*🇱🇷

[memcop]

That was a much smarter group of kids than this.


I quit going there about 6 years or so ago, what happens to it?


Thing completely died for some reason

Bright idea ferries and over moderation.

[entropy91]

Do you think there are any numbers in that specific Edison dataset that are not from actual vote counts? Because that is what you previously purported.

Votes can not be accepted as actual vote counts for a county until the final stage 10 of the NEP.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46565

Federal election results at the state or territorial levels are never official in the United States until after election day. Results appearing in media reports or that election jurisdictions release on election night are unofficial and preliminary. These initially reported (either by the media or election officials) totals do not necessarily include all ballots submitted in the jurisdiction, have not been subject to the canvassing process, and could change. Consequently, in 2020 and before, it is normal and expected that final election totals differ from those announced on election night. It is also common that the candidates in various races can trade leads throughout election night and after, as additional ballots are counted.10 Typically, it takes several days or weeks to finalize election results through the canvass (and audits, where applicable) and certify a winner. State or territorial law sets deadlines for how and when these processes occur.

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/f...apping_508.pdf

Unofficial Results Reporting (Election Night Reporting) Aggregating tabulation data, many state and local election officials begin reporting unofficial election results at the close of polls on election night, known as Election Night Reporting (ENR). In most states and jurisdictions, these unofficial results are updated periodically as more ballots are tabulated in the days or weeks after Election Day. Media outlets rely on unofficial results to report preliminary results totals and project election outcomes.

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/f...ations_508.pdf

[entropy91]

I agree with you that no one really knows what goes into that feed. However, your boy entropy91 read a medium article from some knucklehead who grossly misconstrued a pdf about Edison's methodology for projecting total expected vote, and thought it meant Edison projects actual vote counts as they come in throughout the day. However, total expected vote =/= actual vote counts. Next thing you know, entropy91 goes full retard and starts making these posts:



















Yea dude, it was pretty embarrassing.

and how do you know that that dataset isn't using any type of projections?

[JoshSP1985]

But seriously guys, why are we debating and discussing this seemingly insignificant election contest when it's been uncovered that a Galactic Federation of Alien Beings is in contact with selected governments on Earth and will reveal themselves to the public when we get a bit smarter.

If we could just stop arguing about red vs blue we'd all get a chance to meet the Galactic neighbors.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip...h=6039b57413d7



Srs.


It's a Forbes article.


The guy making these statements is the former head of the Israeli space programme.





I mean, it sounds out there, but he is a legit guy in a position to have knowledge of these things if they are true. But then again why would the aliens let him live if he was going to spill the beans? Or maybe this is their plan to leak out the information gradually instead of just making one dramatic appearance (the US military unclassified recently actual video of UFOs that had no apparent means of propulsion and were behaving beyond aerodynamic limits of our current tech).

It would be nice to have an event to unite the world. Why fight in our tiny rock when there is so much out there to learn and explore.

[|ceman]

It would be nice to have an event to unite the world. Why fight in our tiny rock when there is so much out there to learn and explore.

Yes, though any civilization advanced enough to arrive on earth from anther planet would be so advanced that we can only hope that they are friendly, because if they aren't there is literally zero chance we'll have any choice but to do whatever they tell us.

In actuality, a civilization with advanced space travel would have tech so advanced that they would appear as gods to us. And they would consider us eligible for rights in about the same way that we give animals rights, which is basically none (we breed them just so we can kill them and eat them).

That's part of the reason why many physicists and astronomers feel it's better that we don't attempt to contact other planetary civilizations because if they visit, our only hope is that they are nice, otherwise it's a world of hurt at a minimum, and outright genocide of the human race at the worst.

[entropy91]

Actual votes that are being tabulated are unofficial until they are certified. That was not my question. You previously claimed on numerous occasions (see post above) that Edison data was not actual vote counts, but projections based off an algorithm. I realize that you have tenth-rate reading comprehension and have no idea what you are talking about and are becoming extremely confused. Therefore, please stop replying to any of my posts because you are honestly too stupid to interact with.

They do both, I'm not able to go back and analyze the JSON data because it's already at stage 10 and updated to reflect certified results. Is it completely empty until votes start being counted? Do they weigh the votes as they're called in and change any projections? Do they use projections in the dataset? I'm not 100% sure. As to the question is the Edison data actual vote counts; it depends at which stage and the process they follow. Seems to be inconclusive.

The entire crux of my argument was that dataset was / is completely unreliable for an analysis on voter fraud. I still stand by that point.

[z4v4]

Actual votes that are being tabulated are unofficial until they are certified. That was not my question. You previously claimed on numerous occasions (see post above) that Edison data was not actual vote counts, but projections based off an algorithm. I realize that you have tenth-rate reading comprehension and have no idea what you are talking about and are becoming extremely confused. Therefore, please stop replying to any of my posts because you are honestly too stupid to interact with.

Monday the electors are going to vote for Biden. How's that feel, son?

[|ceman]

It would be nice to have an event to unite the world. Why fight in our tiny rock when there is so much out there to learn and explore.

On a more positive note - everyone who feels angry about things in the world or angry at other people who believe differently in the world should pause for 3 minutes and watch this reflective analysis by Carl Sagan




Maybe we don't need an existential threat event to unify the world?

[JoshSP1985]

Yes, though any civilization advanced enough to arrive on earth from anther planet would be so advanced that we can only hope that they are friendly, because if they aren't there is literally zero chance we'll have any choice but to do whatever they tell us.

In actuality, a civilization with advanced space travel would have tech so advanced that they would appear as gods to us. And they would consider us eligible for rights in about the same way that we give animals rights, which is basically none (we breed them just so we can kill them and eat them).

That's part of the reason why many physicists and astronomers feel it's better that we don't attempt to contact other planetary civilizations because if they visit, our only hope is that they are nice, otherwise it's a world of hurt at a minimum, and outright genocide of the human race at the worst.

That's why ancient aliens theorists actually make sense. Because if early man was contacted those who came would be heralded as gods. Now I don't agree that the same thing would happen today as we're advanced enough to realize they're just a more advanced species IMO. It definitely makes sense that there is a danger in "reaching out" but that danger would always exist no matter how advanced we thought we were. We could be colonizing mars and still easily run across another species that still eradicates us like pests.

[memcop]

-They do both
-I'm not 100% sure

Why would they weigh votes that are called in?

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Why would news outlets report a vote count that is projected, when they wait for actual counts coming in once poll stations are closed? Think about that for a minute. Do you realize how asinine that is? They are gonna report made up vote counts? What?

Face it, you got duped by a fellow smooth brain who read that pdf and had no idea what the fukk he was talking about. I've asked you several times if you realize that the pdf in reference was not talking about an algorithm for projecting votes, but it was meant to explain how they project total expected vote. Do you realize that Total Expected Vote =/= actual vote count? Do you even know what Total Expected Vote is and what it is used for?

Lort. We're back to this? Retarded

[memcop]

Monday the electors are going to vote for Biden. How's that feel, son?

In their own states? Electoral College is the final. Everything else is custom based pageantry

[Procta]

lol'd @ fellow smooth brain

[Stizzel]

lol'd @ fellow smooth brain

He probably thinks thats a compliment

[|ceman]

That's why ancient aliens theorists actually make sense. Because if early man was contacted those who came would be heralded as gods. Now I don't agree that the same thing would happen today as we're advanced enough to realize they're just a more advanced species IMO. It definitely makes sense that there is a danger in "reaching out" but that danger would always exist no matter how advanced we thought we were. We could be colonizing mars and still easily run across another species that still eradicates us like pests.

All good points.

There's this quote from "The Watchmen" that always intrigues me:

"I have walked across the surface of the sun. I have witnessed events so tiny and so fast, they could hardly be said to have occurred at all. But you, Adrian, you're just a man. The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite.”

For all of our technological advancement, we have only really been developing actual tech beyond agrarian methods for the last 100 or so years. Imagine how far beyond a civilization would be that had 1,000 or 1,000,000 years to develop and grow would be. In their eyes we would be like that world's smartest termite.


In reality, our efforts to communicate might even be beneath their interest or concern. For example, we know that many species in the animal kingdom communicate but humanity has effectively zero interest in what they're saying beyond a very small group of scientists who study that field out of intellectual curiosity. And we certainly don't change laws or policy based on what the cow or dolphin species thinks about it.

Another analogy I read was demonstrating how meaningless our society would appear to an advanced, interplanetary civilization by comparing the relative intelligence of the smartest animal species on earth, like chimps or dolphins, to humans. Basically even the most intelligent animal species only reaches about the level of advanced thinking that a human toddler is capable of. We humor toddlers and play games with them, but compared to our most advanced technology in AI, physics, biochemistry, etc - they can't even begin to comprehend the concepts, let alone even attempt to learn them in any specificity.

[chickenbroccoli]

On a more positive note - everyone who feels angry about things in the world or angry at other people who believe differently in the world should pause for 3 minutes and watch this reflective analysis by Carl Sagan

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Maybe we don't need an existential threat event to unify the world?

So you’re saying existential nihilism can unify the world

[|ceman]

So you’re saying existential nihilism can unify the world

Highly unlikely, to be honest. But we can dream, can't we?

[PISTELERO]

All good points.

There's this quote from "The Watchmen" that always intrigues me:

"I have walked across the surface of the sun. I have witnessed events so tiny and so fast, they could hardly be said to have occurred at all. But you, Adrian, you're just a man. The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite.”

For all of our technological advancement, we have only really been developing actual tech beyond agrarian methods for the last 100 or so years. Imagine how far beyond a civilization would be that had 1,000 or 1,000,000 years to develop and grow would be. In their eyes we would be like that world's smartest termite.


In reality, our efforts to communicate might even be beneath their interest or concern. For example, we know that many species in the animal kingdom communicate but humanity has effectively zero interest in what they're saying beyond a very small group of scientists who study that field out of intellectual curiosity. And we certainly don't change laws or policy based on what the cow or dolphin species thinks about it.

Another analogy I read was demonstrating how meaningless our society would appear to an advanced, interplanetary civilization by comparing the relative intelligence of the smartest animal species on earth, like chimps or dolphins, to humans. Basically even the most intelligent animal species only reaches about the level of advanced thinking that a human toddler is capable of. We humor toddlers and play games with them, but compared to our most advanced technology in AI, physics, biochemistry, etc - they can't even begin to comprehend the concepts, let alone even attempt to learn them in any specificity.

I think the black scientist said theres a 2 or 4 (dunno) percent difference in dna between us and chimps, so imagine a species that's 2 (or 4) percent more advanced than us, while seemingly not much it would be a HUGE leap, their 3 year olds would be smarter than our smartest person. Now them being so smart doesn't necessarily mean we can not be dangerous to them physically, all reports I've seen (haven't really studied or anything) says that majority of encounters or eye witnesses describe them as being small framed (like most libs) with large heads, so while they no doubt would have superior weaponry we most likely pose a real physical treat to them as the chimps do to us, they can literally tear us apart with ease.


That being said I think the aliens have been here for as long as we have, and I do not doubt the theory they put advanced dna into monkeys creating us, but to reveal themselves would not end well for anyone, because we would inevitably end up hating them, we would turn to them as gods when things go wrong and curse them as gods when they do nothing to help, we would curse them and hate them for not solving all of our problems. Just my opinion.

[Stizzel]

And like that the election thread became the X-files ufo thread

The truth is out there

[El Conquistador]

So you’re saying existential nihilism can unify the world

[ceizer1985]

All kraken cases are in the garbage. Only the TX SC remains.

To date, no formal proof has been submitted to courts regarding widespread voter fraud that will overturn any state election.

Electors meet on Monday.

[metroins]

[Stizzel]

Rudy is back boyos. The kung flu misses again

[skinnyntall]

All kraken cases are in the garbage. Only the TX SC remains.

To date, no formal proof has been submitted to courts regarding widespread voter fraud that will overturn any state election.

Electors meet on Monday.

The whole point was to get to the SC. Right?

Also Trump has his separate case from this and TX/other states cases.

[Titansfan08]

Rudy is back boyos. The kung flu misses again

Someone needs to make willy wonka Rudy gif

[PISTELERO]

Rudy is back boyos. The kung flu misses again

Better lock everything down for afew months just to be safe....

[JoshSP1985]

All kraken cases are in the garbage. Only the TX SC remains.

To date, no formal proof has been submitted to courts regarding widespread voter fraud that will overturn any state election.

Electors meet on Monday.

Why do you guys keep saying widespread? 1 person in one county doing 1 action of ballot stuffing changes the election.

[ceizer1985]

Why do you guys keep saying widespread? 1 person in one county doing 1 action of ballot stuffing changes the election.

no.

[MinisterOfLust]

You all are being played by the Orange con man. There was no frauds and Biden will be sworn next month

[ItsJamesthefin]

You all are being played by the Orange con man. There was no frauds and Biden will be sworn next month

Nah we will make sure first. You guys can reeeeee until then.

[JoshSP1985]

no.

Yes