Conservatives..........what's the endgame?

[W8isGR8]

What does winning look like to you? Serious question. What does conservative utopia look like?







As a progressive libtard, I envision a country where basic needs are met, and everyone is treated with dignity and respect. Nothing crazy.

[navid93]

Fiscally libertarian

Socially Christian Saudi Arabia while still having bill of rights

[W8isGR8]

A conservative utopia is a Christian Saudi Arabia. Srs.

A Christian hetero-normative white ethno-state?

[navid93]

A Christian hetero-normative white ethno-state?

Homosexuality would be a crime itself, not just no marriage (it was just recently as 2003)

Pro Life

Less voting rights for women/non whites

Stricter punishment for crimes. More death penalties, life sentences

Heavier influence of bible on laws

No teachings of evolution in science class

Disrespecting the flag, country, is a crime

Bible is thought as factual in schools

Marijuana significantly less likely to become legal

Significantly more dry counties and laws against alcohol

[A-GAME]

Is this a roll bread, or are you certifiably retarded?

[exyl]

A Christian hetero-normative white ethno-state?

Did liberal programming compel you to throw ‘White’ in there with all the white supremacy talk in MSM? Think about what percentage of the black population identifies as Christian...

Why don’t you interpret it as, a society that has predominantly Christians values (love your neighbor, the golden rule, fruits of the spirit, 10 commandments, and we have the bill of rights)

But no, it’s automatically gay hating white supremacy. lol

Maybe I should be intellectually dishonest and interpret your utopia as strict lockdown communism where everyone has nothing, and they’re happy for it. Why do liberals twist what others say to justify their perspective on people they view as “the enemy” srs question

[exyl]

Homosexuality would be a crime itself, not just no marriage (it was just recently as 2003)

Pro Life

Less voting rights for women/non whites

Stricter punishment for crimes. More death penalties, life sentences

Heavier influence of bible on laws

No teachings of evolution in science class

Disrespecting the flag, country, is a crime

Bible is thought as factual in schools

Marijuana significantly less likely to become legal

Significantly more dry counties and laws against alcohol

Amish ppl everywhere

[StoliFun]

What does winning look like to you? Serious question. What does conservative utopia look like?







As a progressive libtard, I envision a country where basic needs are met, and everyone is treated with dignity and respect. Nothing crazy.

I won't be satisfied until I can say the N word with professional impunity, all paedophiles are forced into labor camps, and America accepts that millions of citizens simply don't deserve access to affordable healthcare.

[W8isGR8]

Did liberal programming compel you to throw ‘White’ in there with all the white supremacy talk in MSM? Think about what percentage of the black population identifies as Christian...

Why don’t you interpret it as, a society that has predominantly Christians values (love your neighbor, the golden rule, fruits of the spirit, 10 commandments, and we have the bill of rights)

But no, it’s automatically gay hating white supremacy. lol

Maybe I should be intellectually dishonest and interpret your utopia as strict lockdown communism where everyone has nothing, and they’re happy for it. Why do liberals twist what others say to justify their perspective on people they view as “the enemy” srs question

I asked a question to clarify. He answered by saying yes. So....yeah

[XterraRob]

What does winning look like to you? Serious question. What does conservative utopia look like?

As a progressive libtard, I envision a country where basic needs are met, and everyone is treated with dignity and respect. Nothing crazy.

Truthfully?

Federal Government accountability - where politicians don't have to depend on loose & frivolous policies to entice a voter base into voting for them. Responsible management of our country and not carelessly outsourcing everything without forethought for the future. This is something that should be championed by both major parties.

Since the End of the Cold War, we've lost all of that in favor of Greed & Power... and we've paid for it. If and when things turn around, we need to make sure that doesn't happen again. Maybe have an office for long-term strategy planning to help guide our way and prevent near-sighted decisions (like Iraq/Afghanistan) from crippling us.

As for the social scene, I'm all for progressivism as a balance to conservatism but someone needs to tell the new crowd to shut up for a little bit. Partly a side-effect of politicians endorsing the fringe groups too much.

[W8isGR8]

Is this a roll bread, or are you certifiably retarded?

Based on the thousands of anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-women, anti-minority/immigrant posts I've seen here I figured I'd give people a chance to explain their viewpoints. Otherwise I have to just assume they have no end goal except being hateful bigots.

[W8isGR8]

Truthfully?

Federal Government accountability - where politicians don't have to depend on loose & frivolous policies to entice a voter base into voting for them. Responsible management of our country and not carelessly outsourcing everything without forethought for the future. This is something that should be championed by both major parties.

Since the End of the Cold War, we've lost all of that in favor of Greed & Power... and we've paid for it. If and when things turn around, we need to make sure that doesn't happen again. Maybe have an office for long-term strategy planning to help guide our way and prevent near-sighted decisions (like Iraq/Afghanistan) from crippling us.

As for the social scene, I'm all for progressivism as a balance to conservatism but someone needs to tell the new crowd to shut up for a little bit.

What would federal accountability look like in your opinion?

[XterraRob]

What would federal accountability look like in your opinion?

Business executives going to jail.
Government officials going to jail.

Fear to do wrong again. 2008 stole that from us.

[W8isGR8]

Business executives going to jail.
Government officials going to jail.

Fear to do wrong again. 2008 stole that from us.

Agreed

[XterraRob]

Agreed

That lack of accountability trickles down.

Every action by these individuals to insulate themselves from prosecution trickles down.

Knowing you hold all of the keys and committing acts against the best interest of Americans trickles down.

It's an insidious, cancer-like affect on the entire system. Many people see it, even if only subconsciously. That's why Bernie & Trump were popular for their respective sides of the spectrum, and why the "Trump" problem or any other grassroots candidate that targets the Establishment won't die down anytime soon. I don't support Trump because he talks out his ass, I support him because he's the only one pissing these people off and throwing a spotlight on them. And these people hate him so much, they put the spotlight on him & Federal government and all of its issues too. And this makes people pay attention to the government again, unbeknownst to these idiots at the top. And the more people that see the failing state of our government, the more people will rise up to do something about it. Whether through running for office, voting, raising general awareness, etc.

They can't hide behind the media anymore.

[W8isGR8]

That lack of accountability trickles down.

Every action by these individuals to insulate themselves from prosecution trickles down.

Knowing you hold all of the keys and committing acts against the best interest of Americans trickles down.

It's an insidious, cancer-like affect on the entire system. Many people see it, even if only subconsciously. That's why Bernie & Trump were popular for their respective sides of the spectrum, and why the "Trump" problem or any other grassroots candidate that targets the Establishment won't die down anytime soon. I don't support Trump because he talks out his ass, I support him because he's the only one pissing these people off and throwing a spotlight on them. And these people hate him so much, they put the spotlight on him & Federal government and all of its issues too. And this makes people pay attention to the government again, unbeknownst to these idiots at the top. And the more people that see the failing state of our government, the more people will rise up to do something about it. Whether through running for office, voting, raising general awareness, etc.

They can't hide behind the media anymore.

But none of that is a conservative requirement. Liberals want the same thing

[wincel]

This is the conservative utopia dream:



This is what it actually looks like:

[W8isGR8]

America 1980

Hopefully not the fashion

[TheBannedBrah]

Homosexuality would be a crime itself, not just no marriage (it was just recently as 2003)

Pro Life

Less voting rights for women/non whites

Stricter punishment for crimes. More death penalties, life sentences

Heavier influence of bible on laws

No teachings of evolution in science class

Disrespecting the flag, country, is a crime

Bible is thought as factual in schools

Marijuana significantly less likely to become legal

Significantly more dry counties and laws against alcohol

Thankfully conservatives stay losing.

[W8isGR8]

The problem with liberals is that they think equality = equality of outcome. When they dont get equal outcomes because people are not inherently equal, we see the retarded crap we have to live with today.

No, we know the difference between equality and equity. We also have no problem with some people being better off than others, we just want the inequality to be less drastic.

[XterraRob]

But none of that is a conservative requirement. Liberals want the same thing

That's why people need to wake up and see through the veil of partisan politics fed by the Media. Whether it's Tucker, Maddow, Hannity, Lemon, they are all people paid a lot of money to make people feel & think a certain way. They may get close to the mark at times, but they flood the scene with mis-direction. And you're always going to have a large majority of people, on both sides of the spectrum, that won't do the due diligence to be smarter, and will willingly take what the Media says without criticizing it.

As for the labels of Conservative & Liberal, it's a rapidly evolving socio-political scene. People, like myself, who've been traditionally Middle-Left, jumped on the Conservative bandwagon in 2016 because it appeared to have the most promise for building a coalition against Big Tech, MSM, the Federal Government, and China sympathizers. So does that mean identifying with things that conservatives are traditionally known for? Sure, a small price to pay for change. But right now, the Conservative movement & Republicans are finding their strength again, they've taken a beating since the days of Bush & Cheney. **** those guys and their lackies. It's definitely arguable that the politics they pursued and the way Conservatives/Republicans behaved under Bush & Co for 8 years caused the Liberal surge under Obama & Trump.

Lest we Forget.

I remember being Anti-War for the right reasons during that time, opposing the Kool-aid drinking of GO AMERICA propaganda because it was just mindless. But it bred a whole generation of people who weren't just about those things, they hated everything Conservative/Republican and we are paying for it. I have faith it'll balance back out soon, because the problem extends beyond political identity, it's an ALL of GOVERNMENT problem at this point. And there's so much volatility that something has to give eventually.

And as it stands, the Media is the Government's best containment strategy and it's effectiveness is decaying by the day. So much so that it gave birth to Fact Checkers as a dragnet to keep people from straying too far from Mainstream thought when the Media's credibility gets blown apart. It's only going to continue to get worse as people wake up.

[W8isGR8]

That's why people need to wake up and see through the veil of partisan politics fed by the Media. Whether it's Tucker, Maddow, Hannity, Lemon, they are all people paid a lot of money to make people feel & think a certain way. They may get close to the mark at times, but they flood the scene with mis-direction. And you're always going to have a large majority of people, on both sides of the spectrum, that won't do the due diligence to be smarter, and will willingly take what the Media says without criticizing it.

As for the labels of Conservative & Liberal, it's a rapidly evolving socio-political scene. People, like myself, who've been traditionally Middle-Left, jumped on the conservative bandwagon in 2016 because it appeared to have the most promise for building a coalition against Big Tech, MSM, the Federal Government, and China sympathizers. So does that mean identifying with things that conservatives are traditionally known for? Sure, a small price to pay for change. But right now, the Conservative movement & Republicans are finding their strength again, they've taken a beating since the days of Bush & Cheney. **** those guys and their lackies. It's definitely arguable that the politics they pursued and the way Conservatives/Republicans behaved under Bush & Co for 8 years caused the Liberal surge under Obama & Trump.

Lest we Forget.

I remember being Anti-War for the right reasons during that time, opposing the Kool-aid drinking of GO AMERICA propaganda because it was just mindless. But it bred a whole generation of people who weren't just about those things, they hated everything Conservative/Republican and we are paying for it. I have faith it'll balance back out soon, because the problem extends beyond political identity, it's an ALL of GOVERNMENT problem at this point.

The Media is just the Government's best containment strategy at this point and it's effectiveness is decaying by the day, so much so that it gave birth to Fact Checkers as a dragnet to keep people straying too far from Mainstream thought when their credibility gets blown apart.

Was having this conversation with a co-worker today about how everyone at the end of the day just wants their family and themselves to be taken care of. To have food on the table and a roof overhead. The media blasts the outer 5% of the bell curve that makes it seem like the whole country is at war, then you walk outside and everything's normal.


I feel that government service should be a cross between jury duty and a monastic order. People get randomly selected for service and they have to take a vow of poverty/have all assets frozen. You get issued your robe and a cot in a bare room. Until we take the money out of politics there's no chance for the common folk.

[cashinout]

No, we know the difference between equality and equity. We also have no problem with some people being better off than others, we just want the inequality to be less drastic.

"we"

the liberals left you behind a long time ago old man

what you want is actually more line with today's conservatives lol

[tnel00]

As a progressive libtard, I envision a country where basic needs are met, and everyone is treated with dignity and respect. Nothing crazy.

already achieved for anyone who isn't a degenerate fuk head

[W8isGR8]

"we"

the liberals left you behind a long time ago old man

what you want is actually more line with today's conservatives lol

Well to be fair, if it came down to dragging billionaires out of their mansions to the guillotines and forced asset seizure/redistribution I wouldn't cry about it.

I'd settle for decent wages and some healthcare though

[cashinout]

Well to be fair, if it came down to dragging billionaires out of their mansions to the guillotines and forced asset seizure/redistribution I wouldn't cry about it.

I'd settle for decent wages and some healthcare though

which group in the US doesn't have access to decent wages and healthcare?

[navid93]

which group in the US doesn't have access to decent wages and healthcare?

Not everybody can afford a 5k hospital visit

[tnel00]

Well to be fair, if it came down to dragging billionaires out of their mansions to the guillotines and forced asset seizure/redistribution I wouldn't cry about it.

I'd settle for decent wages and some healthcare though

You already have it loser

[cashinout]

Not everybody can afford a 5k hospital visit

what does medicaid and the other state programs do then?

[Cartiac]

I envision a country where basic needs are met

That is the fundamental difference. You feel there should be a requirement for others to take care of you even though you are perfectly able to take care of yourself. Additionally, how exactly do you define "basic needs". I'm sure you don't actually mean the basic needs of food and water that a lot of people in this world do struggle to obtain. I would bet you actually feel entitled to much more than that and likely even beyond the basic rights the constitution of this country promises to provide.

Conservatives want a country that provides the freedom for everyone to meet their own needs and the opportunity to obtain their wants, providing for people when they truly cannot provide for themselves not those that just expect others to provide for them.