The Far Right IME has become largely anti-Christianity, and pro European paganism (I am 100% ded srs), they say that Jesus was a Jews, and Christianity is a subversive Jewish religion, that took white people away from their roots of European Paganism.
The first time I personally came across criticism and mockery of Christianity was from Libertarians (specifically, followers of Ayn Rand's philosophy).
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Thread: Pope: Jesus Just a Man, Not God
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10-13-2019, 10:09 AM #92
I know a lot of Catholics who believe this. If the pope really said it, I think you're all misunderstanding him. It doesn't mean that Jesus was not God's son, or that there was nothing special about him. It means that once he was sent to Earth he experienced life as nothing more than a man; so all the revelations, miracles, etc could have been performed by anyone with enough faith, not just by the son of God.
Basically, the idea is that if life's a videogame, he was playing with regular settings, not God mode, which would actually make all of his his achievements more impressive.
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10-13-2019, 10:14 AM #93
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If that were true, then he would have never performed a single miracle, or calmed the storm at sea, or....
this is blasphemy to say that Jesus was not God.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
God became a Man, but he was still God. And he showed as much when he performed miracles."Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me." - Psalm 23
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10-13-2019, 10:19 AM #94
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10-13-2019, 02:18 PM #99
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10-13-2019, 07:40 PM #100
Many who claim to be Christians aren’t really Christians, almost all religions are hypocritical and misinterpret the bible IMO. I’ve questioned my own religion, looked into these pressing questions, and made a conscious decision by way of baptism to dedicate my life to God. Much different than how most religions do baptism.. sprinkling water on their heads as babies, like that’s going to do them any good, they can’t even think for themselves yet. Nobody brainwashed me, I wasn’t coaxed into believing anything.
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10-13-2019, 07:57 PM #101
You have a point about faith, I’ll give you that, it is a must
“without faith it is impossible to please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him” -Heb 11:6
Regarding respect, did you read the rest of OP’s post!? And I don’t expect everyone to believe what I believe, then I would be disrespectful myself, but most everyone knows that the majority of people who are religious believe that Jesus died for our sins, so to bluntly say he was just a man is insulting, even as a human being, he was an extraordinary man and the greatest teacher to ever live. (to those who believe in Jesus)~Chill Crew~ (⌐■_■)
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10-13-2019, 08:21 PM #102
Consider this archaeological discovery, if you visit the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, you can see a stone that has an inscription that names Pontius Pilate. Pontius Pilate was the one that caved under pressure and ordered the execution of Jesus. That’s a bit of authenticity no?
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10-13-2019, 08:31 PM #103
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10-13-2019, 08:34 PM #104
Nope. Authenticity for what? Pontius Pilate? That's not the question at hand.
It's like if someone wrote a story today about some miraculous dude Person X who lived around 1940, who could fly and turn lead into gold, and do all kinds of impossible things....but the story includes a mention of FDR. Then, in 2000 years, it is discovered that there is evidence of FDR's existence....thus the story must be genuine and this is evidence of Person X's existence and his miraculous deeds. Doesn't work like that. It is entirely possible, actually that the person writing the story is merely placing Person X into a known past with known historical figures, etc. In fact, wouldn't you expect the author of the story to use real figures, to increase belief?∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
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10-13-2019, 08:47 PM #105
There isn’t hardly anything at all known about Pontius’ personal history... but what we do know...
The Roman governor (prefect) of Judea appointed by Emperor Tiberius in 26 C.E. ... Pilate is mentioned by non-Biblical writers, including Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote that Pilate ordered the execution of Christ during the reign of Tiberius.~Chill Crew~ (⌐■_■)
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10-13-2019, 08:54 PM #106
....ok? This has nothing to do with the point of my post. This is not, in itself, evidence for Jesus, or his deeds. The writers of the gospels could have just placed the known figure Pilate into the story. Tacitus, btw, used the wrong title in reference to Pilate- procurator instead of prefect- which raises its own questions, but that's another topic.
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10-13-2019, 09:00 PM #107
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10-13-2019, 11:18 PM #108
Strong reading comprehension. Plz re-read my first post. What I said was many Catholics believe that although yes, he was a God, everything he did once he was sent to Earth was done as a man with impeccable faith, and could in theory be achieved by any man with enough faith, not exclusively by a God.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is what the pope was talking about if he really said it, and I also understand why he wouldn't say it publicly. Seems like a lot of people wouldn't understand the nuance and would just think he said Jesus wasn't God.
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10-14-2019, 12:08 AM #109
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10-14-2019, 08:14 AM #111
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10-14-2019, 08:40 AM #112
CINOs. All branches of Christianity say the same thing about each other. Jews believe in the old testament and Muslims believe in both.
I’ve questioned my own religion, looked into these pressing questions, and made a conscious decision by way of baptism to dedicate my life to God.
Much different than how most religions do baptism.. sprinkling water on their heads as babies, like that’s going to do them any good, they can’t even think for themselves yet. Nobody brainwashed me, I wasn’t coaxed into believing anything.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+9&version=NIV
Of course the cookie cutter Jesus response is that it was neither's fault, it was to display the magical powers of God.
Which branch of Christianity do you follow?
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10-14-2019, 08:48 AM #113
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10-14-2019, 09:01 AM #115
I've heard that argument before, and I made it when I was into 'new age beliefs'.
A different interpretation is that it was a demonstration that they were mistaken in their assumptions. They asked about past lives, and Jesus negated their assumption.
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10-14-2019, 12:53 PM #116
I’m not getting into reincarnation (which I don’t believe in) or any more off shoots of this subject. Sorry fellas, at least I think we can all agree that striving for a moral lifestyle as Tamorlane said is the best way to live regardless of what we believe. I usually just like quoting scripture in practical ways, wasn’t looking to get into any deep discussions tbh, I’m going through a lot in my life right now and I can’t take much more accumulative stress so forgive me for bailing on this discussion, thanks. I’m going to leave one more scripture before I peace out tho, lol. Brb
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10-14-2019, 01:03 PM #117
Apparently you are trying to bring topics like evolution and Big Bang cosmology into this, but read my post you quoted very carefully, and think about how relevant- or not relevant- your response is to that post. This thread is not about scientific concepts like evolution or the Big Bang, the discussion is about Jesus and questions about miracles/historicity.
Besides the misunderstanding of science in the above post (no, you don't need to have to recreate the Big Bang in the lab or have video of it in order for it to be a very legitimate scientific theory), consider the fact that you are loosely comparing things like Jesus's existence and miracles (arguably having no supporting evidence at all), to something like evolution, which is chock full of evidence from all kinds of fields such as microbiology, genetics, and paleontology. No, it seems that evolution has indeed occurred and does a wonderful job explaining the sheer variation of present day life we see in the biosphere around us. But this isn't a thread about evolution, so.....∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
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10-14-2019, 01:05 PM #118
“Therefore, we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing greatness and is everlasting; while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting.”
-2Corinthians 4:16-18
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