Dating as a man in 2017 feels impossible

[dusky99]

This is harder than anything I've ever done in my life. It's literally insane how many obstacles there are to overcome. Thanks to smartphones, social media, and Tinder every woman has thousands of options to choose from and I'm just another random guy giving them validation when I approach them. They've priced themselves out of the market. I don't know how the rest of you guys cope. I feel like I'm just going to drop out of this rigged game and go ghost-mode, I'll find happiness in my hobbies and companionship in a dog.

[drvillain]

not that bad, be proactive and make it happen. You may say you do, but I don't believe that you're actually approaching women

[NotANun21]

The cars on the entrance ramp to a highway are working harder than the cars already on the highway, and the cars on the highway are moving faster - doesn't seem fair?

All the cars on the highway were once on the entrance ramp working just as hard



It's a metaphor, work it out ya great big virgin *******

[melkthecet]

OP stop whining. It is hard but NOT impossible. It is ONLY impossible if you are a skinny guy (and by skinny I mean actually skinny, not slim, I mean BMI of under 19.5). I am 6/10 face and many good qualities, any girl I talked to online fell in love with me (but none lived near me and the few that did were 3/10 or lower) and any girl over 3/10 insta-friendzones me, even if I wrestle a crocodile and win.

tl;dr: dating is impossible only if you are a skinny guy, because females are simply not attracted to skinny guys: they prefer uglier, fat, bald, short, unfunny, beta acting guys to skinny guys with many good qualities. Just today I saw a cute 8/10 girl and her boyfriend was a 2/10 faced, short, stocky, over-wide, chubby guy of a certain ethnicity that is rather not too popular among women of her ethnicity. This is just one example. I see these couples daily.

[elterrible987]

The cars on the entrance ramp to a highway are working harder than the cars already on the highway, and the cars on the highway are moving faster - doesn't seem fair?

All the cars on the highway were once on the entrance ramp working just as hard



It's a metaphor, work it out ya great big virgin *******

All those men driving the same car day in and day out get tired of that same car, new models come out while their car is only getting older and heavier with more baggage added over the years. These men will get rid of their current cars to get something newer, lighter and more attractive. You can hop into a used car at a low price OP. These used cars want to have a man too and will let you ride them for a lower cost. That used car may even come with 2-3 baby used cars as a bonus. If you cant afford a new Porsche, time to start looking at that used chevy OP.

[FastBack6]

OP stop whining. It is hard but NOT impossible. It is ONLY impossible if you are a skinny guy (and by skinny I mean actually skinny, not slim, I mean BMI of under 19.5). I am 6/10 face and many good qualities, any girl I talked to online fell in love with me (but none lived near me and the few that did were 3/10 or lower) and any girl over 3/10 insta-friendzones me, even if I wrestle a crocodile and win.

tl;dr: dating is impossible only if you are a skinny guy, because females are simply not attracted to skinny guys: they prefer uglier, fat, bald, short, unfunny, beta acting guys to skinny guys with many good qualities. Just today I saw a cute 8/10 girl and her boyfriend was a 2/10 faced, short, stocky, over-wide, chubby guy of a certain ethnicity that is rather not too popular among women of her ethnicity. This is just one example. I see these couples daily.

Dude, just stop

[otakutrevan]

not that bad, be proactive and make it happen. You may say you do, but I don't believe that you're actually approaching women

"I dont care what you say you do. I dont believe you're doing it"

LOL. Get out of here.

[psychosylocibin]

not that bad, be proactive and make it happen. You may say you do, but I don't believe that you're actually approaching women

rogue CHAD appears

[otakutrevan]

rogue CHAD appears

"make it happen"

You cannot "make" a woman like you. You CAN present yourself in the best manner possible but that doesnt mean ****.

[pondus_levo]

You guys really need to stop talk about chads. You make it sound like for ever average dude there are 100 chads, when it's the exact opposite.

[CodyZellery]

It's easy if you're good looking. Srs

[otakutrevan]

You guys really need to stop talk about chads. You make it sound like for ever average dude there are 100 chads, when it's the exact opposite.

A rouge middle aged chad appears.

It's easy if you're good looking. Srs

This

[psychosylocibin]

You guys really need to stop talk about chads. You make it sound like for ever average dude there are 100 chads, when it's the exact opposite.

Oh Chads are rare but when, when you are chatting with an american woman, they magically appear all the time and leave you in the dust, clamoring for the leftovers.

Ive been around enough women to know what happens when CHAD appears. There a few CHADS at work, that all the women clamor over/have tried to take home. I have a female friend who is dating one right now, all she talks about is how HAWT he is, all the damn time. its clear he does not want anything serious, and I have told her go after other men, but she refuses, because she has such strong feelings for him and he "has a spell on her" that she can't shake.


btw saw your PM. very very nice. your inbox is full though so I couldnt respond

A rouge middle aged chad appears.

This.

[RUNSNAKE99]

Concentrate on acquiring desirable skills and aesthetics...even if you don't have the greatest face, you can easily control the following:

1. Gym and diet obv
2. Whiten your smile, otc products work great
3. Keep your hair cut regularly (2 weeks)
4. Acquire fitted clothes that highlight physique
5. Axe body spray....srs, this actually works
6. Pool and darts...get good at them. Women like a winner at bars, and you can still win with a bad female partner
7. Learn an instrument...chicks will always dig this
8. Practice singing on the rare chance you find a karaoke bar
9. Practice flirting everytime you're in the checkout line at the store...srs, everytime. This will help immensely when you finally want to talk to a lady you like

[darwinia]

I would say dating is easier than ever actually.

[drvillain]

"I dont care what you say you do. I dont believe you're doing it"

LOL. Get out of here.

rogue CHAD appears

no my friends, I can easily say that he isn't approaching like he says he does. You have a 10x better chance talking to a "hot" chick in person, than you do on tinder or whatever other app you use. I'm willing to bet that 98% of women will say that they aren't as picky in person as they are on these apps that rely solely on physical attraction in photos. You can't win every time, but you will still find success if you approach women. Even if you're terrible at it, you'll gain confidence from it all, which can only help you. Otakutrevan come at me bro. Life experience > Theory

[KMadigan777]

Not sure why everyone is bashing op when this is literally like half the topics on this forum. Yes, it absolutely sucks. Go MGTOW for a while and focus on yourself. The game is utterly rigger but just take a break for a while. It helped me huge.

[imbored21]

OP stop whining. It is hard but NOT impossible. It is ONLY impossible if you are a skinny guy (and by skinny I mean actually skinny, not slim, I mean BMI of under 19.5). I am 6/10 face and many good qualities, any girl I talked to online fell in love with me (but none lived near me and the few that did were 3/10 or lower) and any girl over 3/10 insta-friendzones me, even if I wrestle a crocodile and win.

tl;dr: dating is impossible only if you are a skinny guy, because females are simply not attracted to skinny guys: they prefer uglier, fat, bald, short, unfunny, beta acting guys to skinny guys with many good qualities. Just today I saw a cute 8/10 girl and her boyfriend was a 2/10 faced, short, stocky, over-wide, chubby guy of a certain ethnicity that is rather not too popular among women of her ethnicity. This is just one example. I see these couples daily.

This is true. I've seen girls with all kinds of subhumans but I have NEVER seen a girl with a guy who is smaller than her. It's over for us skinnycels.

[dj10show]

no my friends, I can easily say that he isn't approaching like he says he does. You have a 10x better chance talking to a "hot" chick in person, than you do on tinder or whatever other app you use. I'm willing to bet that 98% of women will say that they aren't as picky in person as they are on these apps that rely solely on physical attraction in photos. You can't win every time, but you will still find success if you approach women. Even if you're terrible at it, you'll gain confidence from it all, which can only help you. Otakutrevan come at me bro. Life experience > Theory

Here's the problem, even if he gets her attention and a date in person, she'll go home, get bored and swipe to pass some time and run into a Chad. And then he's toast anyways.

[melkthecet]

This is true. I've seen girls with all kinds of subhumans but I have NEVER seen a girl with a guy who is smaller than her. It's over for us skinnycels.

Finally someone gets it. I want to raise a baby akita with you and pet it under the moonlight bro, no homo.

What is your BMI though? You can round it to the nearest .5 if you want. Or you can PM me it.

[imbored21]

Finally someone gets it. I want to raise a baby akita with you and pet it under the moonlight bro, no homo.

What is your BMI though? You can round it to the nearest .5 if you want. Or you can PM me it.

18.8

[DolphinPilot]

How can RH recycle the same thread over and over again and it still gets multiple pages of replies?

[Huebert]

- We live in the most peaceful time in existence. Which means very little men are dying off due to fighting/wars like would be commonplace in basically every other era of human existence.

-We all live in the West where the number of young males vastly outnumbers the number of young women due to massive immigration to western nations which is entirely all males, and if it's women it's married old women.

-We live in a time where women work just as much as men, so lots of them think they have "purpose" when before the womens purpose was to get married and find a husband. more picky. "i dont need no manz"

-We live in an age with massive Social media/white knights. More options than ever, Constant ego inflation, dudes sprinkling them with comments nonstop when they'd be too puss to say anything in real life. holding out for that unicorn chad because the constant positive reinforcement decent looking females recieve their entire adolescent life by society makes them believe they are entitled to the top 1% Prince Charming Chad.

-We live in an age where there are more dudes without legit social circles where guys go out and partake in activities IRL since so much of our interaction is digital and eletronic.

[flat6pilot]

I've been about bone dry on the usual dating apps so just for chits and giggles I put up the photos I used back in 2011 when I was absolutely killing it on the dating sites. We're talking up to my eyeballs in HBB's, could schedule multiple dates weekly with ease, etc, etc. Was curious if I would get the same result with those photos in 2017 or if the scene really has changed - mind you I realize my age begins with a 3 now, not 2 - but that shouldn't impede things too much.

Result was a few matches but nothing like the results I used to have. When Tinder first came out in 2012 I would match 20 girls/day with those photos, could grab a few numbers a day. The reality is it's been a slow decline for most guys, slowly getting more difficult with each passing year. I started hitting a wall around 2014, with limited results still possible, but much more of a time investment needed. Back in the height of my game (2008-2011) I would sleep with every 3rd or 4th girl I met. Would at least kiss/fool around with half of them probably? Today, with the same aesthetics, I might bang one out of every five or ten. It's crazy how much things have changed and I don't think it's me, I hope it's not me, but the fact that the majority of men are struggling says that the dating market is definitely out of balance.

[Malversation]

Oh Chads are rare but when, when you are chatting with an american woman, they magically appear all the time and leave you in the dust, clamoring for the leftovers.

Ive been around enough women to know what happens when CHAD appears. There a few CHADS at work, that all the women clamor over/have tried to take home. I have a female friend who is dating one right now, all she talks about is how HAWT he is, all the damn time. its clear he does not want anything serious, and I have told her go after other men, but she refuses, because she has such strong feelings for him and he "has a spell on her" that she can't shake.


btw saw your PM. very very nice. your inbox is full though so I couldnt respond





This.

If that happens to you a lot, I am afraid they just weren't invested in you. If you think of it in a supply and demand way, you'll see that they're just trying to get what they perceive as fair market value.. However, eventually they'll realize that nobody's going to buy them at the price they're setting so to speak, thus the price goes down overtime so to speak. At age 31 I really have no idea how this's still happening to you tho, unless you're going for people a tad younger.

[Malversation]

This is true. I've seen girls with all kinds of subhumans but I have NEVER seen a girl with a guy who is smaller than her. It's over for us skinnycels.

I use to be like this (specifically 5'11, 110lbs. I gained to where I am now at about 6'0, 150lbs. Weight gain deteriorated as I've been injury ridden from July 2016 to present) however, regardless of being where I was before I started to lift I always have at the very least gotten attention. Being skinny can cause you issues, I'll agree. But all you've to do's eat and lift to fix that. Then you'll be golden.

[guy169]

dating might be a bit harder but the basics are still the same, you have to not be afraid to take shots to score, if you have confidence and aren't afraid to get shot down you can still get what you want

it is a numbers game and always will be http://guysnightlife.com/dating-numbers-game/

[otakutrevan]

no my friends, I can easily say that he isn't approaching like he says he does. You have a 10x better chance talking to a "hot" chick in person, than you do on tinder or whatever other app you use. I'm willing to bet that 98% of women will say that they aren't as picky in person as they are on these apps that rely solely on physical attraction in photos. You can't win every time, but you will still find success if you approach women. Even if you're terrible at it, you'll gain confidence from it all, which can only help you. Otakutrevan come at me bro. Life experience > Theory

Everyone here seems to ignore a critical point. Everyone on this board can pull a woman. I quite literally had to FIGHT off a 40 year old woman last night. Obese women and old women for whatever reason pick up on my "game" (looks/social skills). Being confident doesn't pull decent quality women for me because my face is bad.

Your personal experiences are not the standard. You lucked out and probably have a decent looking face. Congrats. I dont. Perma baby face even when lean and my head is huge. So I look weird when I get really lean.

All of you guys completely ignore facial aesthetics and subscribe to this "just be confident" when in reality that just a cope for you guys. Men that are successful with women want to feel responsible for their success when in reality its almost 70% how you look and the rest is you just you not ****ing up

I just came at you.

[pondus_levo]

Everyone here seems to ignore a critical point. Everyone on this board can pull a woman. I quite literally had to FIGHT off a 40 year old woman last night. Obese women and old women for whatever reason pick up on my "game" (looks/social skills). Being confident doesn't pull decent quality women for me because my face is bad.

Your personal experiences are not the standard. You lucked out and probably have a decent looking face. Congrats. I dont. Perma baby face even when lean and my head is huge. So I look weird when I get really lean.

All of you guys completely ignore facial aesthetics and subscribe to this "just be confident" when in reality that just a cope for you guys. Men that are successful with women want to feel responsible for their success when in reality its almost 70% how you look and the rest is you just you not ****ing up

I just came at you.

What are you going to do with yourself when we all meet in Vegas and tell you to your face that you are good looking?

[otakutrevan]

What are you going to do with yourself when we all meet in Vegas and tell you to your face that you are good looking?

People never tell their friends that they're anything below average. You. Pondus Levo. Smug king of "game". YOU may think I'm not ugly ,but that doesn't mean jack ****. What matters is what WOMEN think. My face is nothing spectacular. I turn 26, have approached IRL more women than ANYONE I know personally, swiped my ass, used all the dating sites, even paid sites. Women just arent buying what I'm selling. Calibrating or whatever won't solve anything. What will solve the problem is me just realized the women that come at me and accept my approach are unfortunately my league.