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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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09-15-2021, 11:58 AM #4711
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09-15-2021, 01:57 PM #4712
No, it's not it. The mortality rate for people of working age, that is under 65 is negligible. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid. There's not a single rational justification for the mandate other than power grab.
You don’t have a constitutional right to be employed at a particular business without complying with workplace safety rules & company policy.
The executive branch has had the power (granted to it by the legislative branch) to regulate workplace health and safety since 1970.
People still seem oblivious to just how much power the executive branch has been given by the legislative branch over the last century.
And once the executive branch has a particular power granted to it by legislative action, good luck unwinding that.Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
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09-15-2021, 02:07 PM #4713
Some dogs are so messed up from their past. It's really tough work. After our last tough case I have told my wife no more dogs that nobody else will take. We've done our good deeds for a lifetime. Not to turn anyone off from rescuing though, 90% of dogs as shelters and rescues that need a home are great dogs with little work.
The biggest problem I see is a lack of real data that Covid is spread less in fully vaxxed groups than unvaxxed groups. If they made a mandate decision based upon strong data like that, it would be a whole different story, but as far as I know good data surrounding that in any fashion doesn't exist, which completely blows my mind.
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09-15-2021, 02:25 PM #4714
Finally Moderna released some data
"There were 88 identified breakthrough cases out of 11,431 people vaccinated between December and March, the company said in a release,
compared with 162 breakthrough cases out of 14,746 trial participants vaccinated in July through October of last year."There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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09-15-2021, 03:58 PM #4715
Sounds familiar
Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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09-15-2021, 05:36 PM #4716
The government has the ability to enforce workforce safety guidelines through OSHA. This falls under that. I was making no statement either way on efficacy the vaccine.
Most people would be fine with businesses making their own decisions... if they were their own decisions. But they aren't, they are imposed by the government. If the government didn't impose it, people would be perfectly capable of leaving the job that has a mandate to go to a job that doesn't. Your argument reminds me of what my grandpa told me about his time under Mussolini: without the card of the Fascist Party nobody you couldn't get a job. Until 2 years ago nobody in their right mind would have said that was ever something we'd want to have in America. Now here you are. Makes you think what kind of abominations they have been able to brainwash you into accepting.
Or maybe people understand it very well and would like that to change.
Well people like you who just acquiesce to this crap aren't exactly helping.To resist despair
in this world
is what it is
to be free
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09-16-2021, 07:50 AM #4717
Doctors warn Americans NOT to gargle iodine to prevent Covid after anti-vaxxers falsely claim on social media that it protects against the virus
Betadine, an iodine-based antiseptic, has been falsely deemed a potential COVID-19 prophylactic.
Lord.....There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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09-16-2021, 07:59 AM #4718
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09-16-2021, 08:02 AM #4719
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09-16-2021, 08:09 AM #4720
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09-16-2021, 08:25 AM #4721Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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09-16-2021, 08:31 AM #4722
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09-16-2021, 08:46 AM #4723
So what? Since when does the government or your employer have anything to say about whether you'll spend a couple of days in bed with the sniffles or not? Does your employer also mandate you wear a rubber when you have sex so you don't catch the crabs? I don't know what happened that all of the sudden people think your employer can stick its nose in your own health. We went from not being able to ask people if they were HIV positive or had hepatitis to your employer mandating you get a jab in case you catch some sniffles? How did they convince people in just 1 year that things that would have been repulsive before are perfectly acceptable now?
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09-16-2021, 08:55 AM #4724Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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09-16-2021, 09:31 AM #4725
So yesterday in the MISC sub forum myself and mgftp were called "paid shills" for disagreeing with some of the wild statements made there; so i had to "ether, own, dunk on, and embarrass" the dude that made the claim.
A passionate opinion = paid shill.
good times....There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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09-16-2021, 10:31 AM #4726
She is on board. As two career oriented people we really aren't equipped to take the toughest of tough cases that demand significant hours each day.
Not for personal safety although employers do require things like hardhats, but that's a seperate discussion and I think for this topic if that strong data did exist, the mandates would be for the safety of other employees, contractors, vendors, and customers
Big pharma has been cutting me big checks to post on a dying sub forum of a website. Which makes as much sense that the vaccines are a worldwide conspiracy theory.
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09-16-2021, 11:04 AM #4727
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09-16-2021, 11:12 AM #4728
So much this ^^.
I say again, over. This is NEVER about the jab and rona. This is about curtailing Liberties and encroachment of what's left of our freedoms.
Joe: You are safe if you are jabbed.
Also Joe: You are NOT safe from the unjabbed.
Gubmint is notorious for taking a mile when Humanity gives an inch.
We are being conditioned to blindly follow the mandates of the state. Next thing they will tell us to shove bananas up our sphincter, and those who choose NOT to have a banana in their buttholes will be turned into an outcast.
I'd rather be free without a banana in my butthole. The rest of the nuthugging gubmint sheep can walk around with a banana in their bungholios.This above all..
To thine ownself be true..
And it must follow, as the night the day..
Thou can'st not then be false to any man..
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09-16-2021, 11:55 AM #4729
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09-16-2021, 12:19 PM #4730
While I agree vaccine mandates are proving to people that government will overstep its bounds if left unchecked but they aren't new or constitution-breaking and the apocalyptic tyranny bit is a tad much.
Likewise, people refusing getting vaccinated and filling up hospitals is proving that leaving people to their own device and not implementing mandates may be a bit inadequate. To be clear, I am not in favor of government-mandated vaccines but I suppose that’s my problem with my libertarianism. There's theory and reality. They don’t often intersect, and if they do, it doesn't last long.To resist despair
in this world
is what it is
to be free
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09-16-2021, 12:52 PM #4731
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09-16-2021, 01:02 PM #4732Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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09-16-2021, 01:09 PM #4733
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09-17-2021, 07:53 AM #4734
Italy becomes the first European country to require a COVID passport to go to work
Italy will require all workers to have a valid COVID passport, as the government led by Prime Minister Mario Draghi moves to set the toughest vaccination requirements in Europe.
A cabinet meeting Thursday approved the measure, which applies to all public and private-sector workers and will come into force Oct. 15. Workers faces fines of as much as 1,500 euros ($1,763) for noncompliance, while employers who fail to check their workers may have to pay as much as 1,000 euros.Air Force Veteran 1976 - 1999 - Cannabis Enthusiast since the 1960's
Retired at 40 Crew - Social distancing expert - Living the Dream
I use the gender neutral pronouns "Fukker/Fukkers" a lot.
****** I don't always agree with the memes I post ******
I tell it like it is, if you want smoke blown up your ass or something sugar coated. I suggest you get a Hooker and a powdered donut.
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09-17-2021, 08:02 AM #4735
Speaking of theory and reality.
Do you want to encourage more people to take the jab?
Here are real solutions:
a. Don't force the jab. Good ideas require no force. You should know this as Libertarian.
b. Allow all scientists to present their findings, especially third-party scientists. No more banning.
c. Make big pharma liable for jab injuries.
Boom. I guarantee more freedom-loving unjabbed doods would voluntarily take the jab.This above all..
To thine ownself be true..
And it must follow, as the night the day..
Thou can'st not then be false to any man..
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Bros, my Weightlifters and Powerlifters are my credentials.
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09-17-2021, 10:07 AM #4736
As I said I am against government mandates as there is certainly no libertarian argument in favor of vaccine mandates, I also don't think there is a libertarian solution to pandemics either.
b. Allow all scientists to present their findings, especially third-party scientists. No more banning.
c. Make big pharma liable for jab injuries.
Boom. I guarantee more freedom-loving unjabbed doods would voluntarily take the jab.To resist despair
in this world
is what it is
to be free
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09-17-2021, 10:50 AM #4737
Easy. Social media companies enjoy immunity from prosecution to host content in order to foster free exchange of ideas. If they curate (ban) content, they become publishers. Liability should then attach. In the US, this protection comes under section 230 of the Communication Decency Act. Remove their protection if they continue down this path.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:16
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09-17-2021, 11:18 AM #4738
230 is the only thing that's keeping big social media companies tolerating the constant conspiracies and any alternative platforms like Parler will be sued out of existence given it's 50% doxxing and death threats.
It doesn’t change how they can curate our posts as a user. Removal of the protections of 230 would actually result in more curation and editing, and far less free interaction.
Let’s say that how ******** currently curates content on their site meets the legal definition of acting as a publisher. In this scenario, yes - they would lose the liability protections of 230. They’re now liable for 3rd party content - and thus liable for defamation, slander, etc.
But a publisher under the law still has the right to choose what they publish. Websites, forums, newspaper, book publishers, etc can choose not to publish, even if the content is not illegal.
Section 230 does not really matter in a websites post removal. Section 230 doesn’t stop you as a user from being restricted in what you can and can’t say. If only affects the website’s liability.
Becoming a “publisher” means that ******** would be even more inclined to decide what was and wasn’t shared, posted, or commented to avoid legal issues. Even with talks of social media being a “town square” and all that, as of right now, they have every right to remove posts as private companies. 230 just changes what they can be sued for.To resist despair
in this world
is what it is
to be free
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09-17-2021, 12:46 PM #4739
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09-17-2021, 12:58 PM #4740
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