Pandemic WTF - USA vs EU

[|ceman]

He knows the entire notion and premise of his argument in this thread is bunk, as I demonstrated in the post I made.

I think he’s just messing around at this point, unless he’s in another confirmation bias rut


Even his own op shows how the United States is doing demonstrably better than Europe from any rational viewpoint.

USA

5% of the world's population
25% of the world's covid19 deaths

There's your stats

[AriGhold]

USA

5% of the world's population
25% of the world's covid19 deaths

There's your stats

Yeah, but how many other countries are including car accident and chainsaw accidents as Covid deaths!!?

[gachase21]

USA

5% of the world's population
25% of the world's covid19 deaths

There's your stats

Ahh I see - in the “VS WTH” thread eh?

Okay

For even comparison

Total corona world deaths 513,139

Population
Germany 83,783,942
France 65,273,511
Netherlands 17,134,872
Belgium 11,589,623
Austria 9,006,398
Switzerland 8,654,622
Luxembourg 625,978
Monaco 39,242
Liechtenstein 38,128
United Kingdom 67,886,011
Sweden 10,099,265
Denmark 5,792,202
Finland 5,540,720
Norway 5,421,241
Ireland 4,937,786
Italy 60,461,826
Spain 46,754,778
Greece 10,423,054
Portugal 10,196,709

Comparable western block nations Population 423,055,083 5.3% of world population
Corona deaths 173,410 33.8% World Corona deaths

United States Corona deaths 130,103 25.3% of deaths

[aranadiscoteca]

US has more testing therefore more cases. EU doesn't have the most important election of our lifetime coming up in a few months.

[|ceman]

Ahh I see - in the “VS WTH” thread eh?

Okay

For even comparison

Total corona world deaths 513,139

Population
Germany 83,783,942
France 65,273,511
Netherlands 17,134,872
Belgium 11,589,623
Austria 9,006,398
Switzerland 8,654,622
Luxembourg 625,978
Monaco 39,242
Liechtenstein 38,128
United Kingdom 67,886,011
Sweden 10,099,265
Denmark 5,792,202
Finland 5,540,720
Norway 5,421,241
Ireland 4,937,786
Italy 60,461,826
Spain 46,754,778
Greece 10,423,054
Portugal 10,196,709

Comparable western block nations Population 423,055,083 5.3% of world population
Corona deaths 173,410 33.8% World Corona deaths

United States Corona deaths 130,103 25.3% of deaths

Unclerico is interested in this by september

[Dave22reborn]

USA

5% of the world's population
25% of the world's covid19 deaths

There's your stats

China?

[Dave22reborn]

lol. Not you though. You can't even have an honest discussion about all the cities that had protests not having significant outbreaks without saying "hur dur you didn't know Houston had a protest!"

So please go with the "used to be a good poster schtick"

Maryland reports 305 new cases of coronavirus as infections swell elsewhere

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bal...outputType=amp

Stay smug........

[wesleysh21]

US has more testing therefore more cases. EU doesn't have the most important election of our lifetime coming up in a few months.

The world is not apples to apples right now. We are in a weird situation. Countries who test the most and are most open about their numbers appear to be "doing the worst." While other countries who aren't testing or faking their numbers look like heros.

[gachase21]

The world is not apples to apples right now. We are in a weird situation. Countries who test the most and are most open about their numbers appear to be "doing the worst." While other countries who aren't testing or faking their numbers look like heros.

People are so consumed with Trump hate they can’t even see normal things logically and rationally anymore.

This is something many of those people would normally quickly comprehend.

Being able to identify and respond to as many positive cases as we can on a large scale is a good thing.

[5x10]

You can take your per capita and shove it.

We have the #1 amount of cases in the world and the #1 amount of deaths. By a mile. It's not even close.

It's gotten so bad that Europe doesn't want any Americans visiting them until we get our **** together.

lmao, don’t get emotional
Per capita is perspective

[gachase21]

Why is our case fatality rate so much lower?














Is it because we are doing much better job at identifying the cases?

[|ceman]

Why is our case fatality rate so much lower?



Is it because we are doing much better job at identifying the cases?

It's because there are two main strains - an Asian and a European strain and the European strain is far deadlier. In the US the European strain seems to have hit NY/NJ while the Asian strain was present in central/south/west parts of the US.

https://www.cato.org/blog/two-supert...asian-european

[gachase21]

It's because there are two main strains - an Asian and a European strain and the European strain is far deadlier. In the US the European strain seems to have hit NY/NJ while the Asian strain was present in central/south/west parts of the US.

[url]https://www.cato.org/blog/two-supertypes-coronavirus-east-asian-europurl]

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Ahh the March and April strain study excuse as to why Europe is doing so much worse on every metric.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v2.full



Got an update now that we are 2 months past that with much more information, travel, cross transmission, etc?

Is the fatality rate by strain equivalent to the difference?

Why was Germany so significantly better?



I think you know the answer....



And none of that is answering why they suck so much at identifying cases.



At some point you have to stop the excuses of why they’re worse and see the reality...

[gachase21]

The Problem With Stories About Dangerous Coronavirus Mutations
There’s no clear evidence that the pandemic virus has evolved into significantly different forms—and there probably won’t be for months.

ED YONG
MAY 6, 2020

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ssible/611239/



Even if it is , and has consistently remained the case 2 months later...

The fact that fatality rate is higher because certain healthcare systems suck doesn’t necessarily mean that strain is deadlier - it just means the healthcare systems sucks


Germany’s a much better modern version of “me first” nation healthcare wtb a dirty national capitalism twist - and their cars....

That’s why they are better

[|ceman]

And none of that is answering why they suck so much at identifying cases.



At some point you have to stop the excuses of why they’re worse and see the reality...

yeah, that must be why they are re-opening many EU countries for tourism and travel again and starting to get back to normal. clearly they're all in denial and clueless and the big brain americans are the only ones who have this figured out.



i wonder. do you enjoy playing a caricature online? I know you're just playing the part of the stereotypical clueless southerner who views individual points of data in a vacuum without consideration for context or consensus and draws erroneous conclusions as a result. however...

...is that enjoyable for you? it's rather irresponsible to play your schtick and dupe the gullible rubes on this forum who can actually harm themselves and others by ingesting your tripe.


I mean, you'd have to be an anti-social sadist to knowingly spread misinformation about a deadly pandemic and derive entertainment value from it. that can't be you, can it?

[gachase21]

odd insulting rant

First off, I’ve aknloweged this virus is dangerous...

Myself - I expect the death to trend up.

The disease is bad- not species extinction plague event catastrophic, but it’s bad.

Reality is though we have to continue as a society on a more functional pathway, and that includes a higher acceptable loss rate.

The needle wasn’t far enough into the loss rate for us to shut down as much as we have - and the long term problems with it.

What we have done is a proven concept on exactly how much our healthcare facilities can withstand, and a little improvement in knowledge about treatment, etc.


As we open up - yes there will be more - at a controllable level

Acceptable loss rare is an ugly reality no one wants to talk about during a polarized election year - or in our political correct media world.


Complete shut down to save every single person is absolutely unacceptable and things will be worse.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptable_loss

So let’s recap here.


This thread was about US vs Europe in regards to the covid pandemic response - not about Uplaying or downplaying the virus.


You started that thread - and started it in your op with just 1 single data point - and a premise that the higher level of that 1 single data point is US vs Europe response as a bad thing- and some kind of a single data point gotcha...

And when the exaggerate important of that data point with the implied assumption it’s a negative to the US response by comparison you carried on.

And yet you have the audacity to make this statement about me after that stretch.. “ who views individual points of data in a vacuum without consideration for context or consensus and draws erroneous conclusions as a result.“


So I came in challenging that - and even insinuating Identify more cases could be a good thing.


And then I continued with more data - understand this is in context of comparing Europe to the us

I including
- per capita Death reared
-per capita testing rate comparisons
-total test
-relevant test arguments
-case fatality rates


You came in with another data point of % or population and % of total deaths


I counted that with a relevant comparable European nation data point showing them worse.



I showed by almost every metric us is doing better - and in addition made my argument that our identifying cases is better.


Then you came in with a defensive approach explaining why US was better with the stain argument.

I gave both my argument against it - as well I cited an experts argument against the very study you cited.




Yet I’m expressing misinformation....



I’m not sure why it bothers you the US is doing better - you don’t even have to correlate that with a politician you hate —-


We are just systematically better in so many ways - from capacity and our unique abilities in areas that haven’t succumbed to mass transport and other population density creating policies.

[|ceman]

I’m not sure why it bothers you the US is doing better

do you really sincerely swear on your grandmother's grave believe that?

[gachase21]

do you really sincerely swear on your grandmother's grave believe that?

By in large that’s what the unbiased data overwhelmingly shows at this point, as well as the trend going foward.


That may change - and new information or studies in the future may show something different.



What’s really amazing to me, and a interesting example of human psychology in propaganda, is how the media has so successfully spinned the narrative from reality to something different....

When all the real information is right in front of everyone.


It goes to show how you can exploit people uncontrolled emotional hate towards a group or person(in this case hat toward trump) with the use of propaganda to get an entire population to believe in a skewed reality.


Hitler as a master at that.

[|ceman]

By in large that’s what the unbiased data overwhelmingly shows at this point, as well as the trend going foward.


That may change - and new information or studies in the future may show something different.



What’s really amazing to me, and a interesting example of human psychology in propaganda, is how the media has so successfully spinned the narrative from reality to something different....

When all the real information is right in front of everyone.


It goes to show how you can exploit people uncontrolled emotional hate towards a group or person(in this case hat toward trump) with the use of propaganda to get an entire population to believe in a skewed reality.


Hitler as a master at that.

Good to know where you really stand.

I was right that you're Dorich's alt account.

I'll treat both of your accounts the same way now. As unserious parody accounts. In other words, maybe good for a laugh or two but never to be taken seriously, and almost never to respond to.

Happy 4th

[gachase21]

Good to know where you really stand.

I was right that you're Dorich's alt account.

I'll treat both of your accounts the same way now. As unserious parody accounts. In other words, maybe good for a laugh or two but never to be taken seriously, and almost never to respond to.

Happy 4th

Life tip - it’s okay to take the L, cut your losses and move on once in a while- looks way more classy. When facts, data, and reality are this overwhelming against you - no need to go out squeeling



I hope you enjoy your 4th as well sir

[|ceman]

Ahh I see - in the “VS WTH” thread eh?

Okay

For even comparison

Total corona world deaths 513,139

Population
Germany 83,783,942
France 65,273,511
Netherlands 17,134,872
Belgium 11,589,623
Austria 9,006,398
Switzerland 8,654,622
Luxembourg 625,978
Monaco 39,242
Liechtenstein 38,128
United Kingdom 67,886,011
Sweden 10,099,265
Denmark 5,792,202
Finland 5,540,720
Norway 5,421,241
Ireland 4,937,786
Italy 60,461,826
Spain 46,754,778
Greece 10,423,054
Portugal 10,196,709

Comparable western block nations Population 423,055,083 5.3% of world population
Corona deaths 173,410 33.8% World Corona deaths

United States Corona deaths 130,103 25.3% of deaths

Update:

Comparable western block nations Population 423,055,083 5.3% of world population
Corona deaths 177,272 19.08% World Corona deaths

United States Population 328,200,000 4.21% of world population
United States Corona deaths 194,530. 20.94% of deaths




Noteworthy that since June the EU nations in your grouping added only 3,862 deaths while the US added 64,427 deaths.

In the time period from June 30 to Sept 15, the US outpaced the EU in new deaths by 170% !


Clearly the EU knows what they are doing and despite being an alliance of nearly 20 distinct countries with independent governments, they are doing a better job of a coordinated response on covid than the USA with only one government.


care to check back in come end of december? Hint - you won't like the end of year stats any more than these.

[luckyboy23]

So this proves the US is superior in testing vs the rest of the world.

OP is a dumbass.

[SillieBazzillie]

god Trump is a disaster. We’ll be the worst western nation by the end of the years. Despite having low population density.

Thanks cultist!

SMH

[|ceman]

So this proves the US is superior in testing vs the rest of the world.

OP is a dumbass.

hey dumb dumb. the stats we're comparing with today's update are deaths, not tests.


maybe skip this thread as you clearly don't meet the minimum required IQ to participate.

[SillieBazzillie]

hey dumb dumb. the stats we're comparing with today's update are deaths, not tests.


maybe skip this thread as you clearly don't meet the minimum required IQ to participate.

Lol. Typical cult member.

“Hur dur Orange Daddy says more testing means more cases hur dur”

[rgnx]

do you really sincerely swear on your grandmother's grave believe that?

You got owned. You really can't defend yourself except for "do u really believe that? omg"

Pathetic, really.

[|ceman]

You got owned. You really can't defend yourself except for "do u really believe that? omg"

Pathetic, really.

maybe you should read yesterday's posts in this thread.

No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not getting owned, rgnx. I am doing the owning. A guy creates a post and gets owned and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!

[chaunce54]

maybe you should read yesterday's posts in this thread.

No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not getting owned, rgnx. I am doing the owning. A guy creates a post and gets owned and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks!

lol, the delusion is strong with this one.

[|ceman]

lol, the delusion is strong with this one.

keep projecting big boy

[jlick]

pandemic is over boyos. Time to open back up.