Can you at least stop calling it fake?

[katya422]

I know of three people irl who have died from it and quite a few more so had to go to hospital. My coworkers wife is hooked up to a ventilator rn. Stupid to call it fake at this point

My neighbor had it. He lost 20 something pounds (not an obese couch potato). His wife and MIL (lives with them) also had it and they spent time in the hospital. He rattled off a list of multiple other people he knew that had it, several hospitalized. My "almost uncle" has it right now.

It's not fake.

It's not as dangerous as people are making it out to be and is being used as a political tool.

People bring up numbers but they dont bring up the number inflation and how Flu deaths are pretty much non-existent now because they are being classified as Covid. I believe all overall deaths are lower than normal right now.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s fake.

I just think people are cognizant of the damage to the economy with such widespread and strict lockdown measures.

There needs to be a better way where we don’t bankrupt small business while protecting those at risk.

Not a hoax but blown as far out of proportion as humanly possible. It's a Flu that isn't very deadly unless you're a fat or unhealthy in general. Time to move on and stop being stupid bitches.

Already some in this thread claiming it is fake.

[1slo5oh]

Just lol if you believe those bullsh*t numbers.. some 23 year old died a few weeks ago in a motorcycle accident in my town.. Wanna guess what they put down as cause of death?? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the SUV that he hit while flying through an intersection.

It wasnt that new Chevrolet Covid?


At this point I dont give AF.. im not interested in participating in this over hyped , politicized FLU... im not wearing a mask because obviously they dont work if the numbers are "trending up"... im not locking down because that worked ever so well the first time didnt it?... I am not going above and beyond to "social distance" any more or less than I would have prior to this , which consequently I never liked mthrfkrs in my sphere of solitude anyways so it naturally worked itself out...

If I catch the sniffles im not going to go get tested... Im not getting a vaccine that was created in months...

Just done with it... If everybody else would like to live their life in fear and allow the gUverNMent to take more and more control of your freedoms and liberties... because covid ... then do you BooBoo!!

Some of us are moving on

[elterrible987]

The US is closing in on 275,000 dead. That is closing in on the total casualties of multiple wars combined omitting WWII

lol ok, based on your chart, more die from the seasonal flu, EVERY YEAR, than the entire vietnam war.

what does that have to do with anything.

Total deaths this year are average. Covid displaced the deaths in other categories. You could have 8 contributing factors and die covid positive - thats a covid death.

covid is a nothingburger

[backinthegymbro]

Covid is the flu with a different name.

[katya422]

War deaths graph is stupid, over 600,000 people die from heart disease every year, fatties are the real problem

And I want to see a total death count for the entire country by year, 2020 should have significantly more overall than the other years if this is anywhere near the problem it's portrayed

The data lags because the reporting lags. From the CDC:



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

[Roldz]

[katya422]

Just don’t pay any attention to the idiots, save yourself some grief.

Ah it's a little bit hoping to move the needle a little closer toward unity (tough if you can't even agree on how many people are dead) and a little bit hoping to slow down the drop off in traffic here.

If you lost someone from this would you want to hang out in a place where everyone is hollering that it's all fake or that the people who died "deserved it" or don't count because they were old?

[JGats]

The numbers sure are fake. Faker than the 2020 Election. Gay too. But I'm sure you knew that people were referring to the actual cases and statistics being falsified, and not the actual virus, right...?

Plandemic.

[Titansfan08]

[Coachbombay]

Dying from vs. dying with.
Average age of death higher than life expectancy.
No increase in total deaths.
Relentless suppression of real information and science that doesn't further evil political agendas.
Government reaction causing immeasurable, generational destruction of lives.


Calling it fake or a hoax is hyperbole, but it's closer to the truth than the official narrative. Unless you work in geriatric care, you wouldn't even know about it if nobody powerful had anything to personally gain.

[eatmycrackers]

My father contracted Covid twice and is a long-hauler (similar to cases in the 60 minutes special). He is alive but truly hanging by a thread, under 60 and a totally different person now. He became very frail and sick and while no longer is infected is still very sick.

He is a lead engineer but can now barely do basic math, he’s out on disability until he hopefully recovers or has to resign.

He and I were super anti-Covid in the beginning but the truth is we are all selfish and care little what happens to the world around us, so long as our immediate family is safe.

I think it is unfortunate but was inevitable this has become a political issue.

[notbadnotbrad]

Ah it's a little bit hoping to move the needle a little closer toward unity (tough if you can't even agree on how many people are dead) and a little bit hoping to slow down the drop off in traffic here.

If you lost someone from this would you want to hang out in a place where everyone is hollering that it's all fake or that the people who died "deserved it" or don't count because they were old?

What if you lost someone to suicide due to the government bankrupting that person and destroying their life, their families life and everything they worked for. Would you want to talk to someone supporting the locks downs?

[elterrible987]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

240k total deaths in US

Under 44 years old - only 7k deaths

Under 54 years old - only 19k deaths

under 64 years old - only 49k deaths


80% of the deaths are people over 65 years old. This is official CDC data.

58% of the deaths are people over 75 years old. The life expectancy in the US is 78 years old. The majority of the deaths are past the life expectancy in the US.


lol at OP comparing numbers from historic wars where 99% of the deaths were under 30.

[Conspirabrah]

Or a hoax. Whatever.

Maybe you believe that the pandemic is overblown. Or that the government is handling it badly. Or that it was released by or being used by some cabal to advance a new world order.

Whatever you believe a lot more people are dead than usual.

Calling it fake or a hoax is a pretty crummy reply to anyone who is ill with it, has a relative who is hospitalized, or friends/family that have died.



The US is closing in on 275,000 dead. That is closing in on the total casualties of multiple wars combined omitting WWII (more than three and a half years) and the Civil War (4 years; prior to modern medicine) - 278,854.



Yes, the elderly and unhealthy are more at risk of dying. I doubt that is any comfort to their families. Some very fit and healthy looking people are dying earlier from it too.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...54/6428972002/

We haven't hit Spanish Flu numbers yet (675,000) and I hope we won't.

COVID IS a "hoax", in the sense that it's NOT a "pandemic". It is a rather severe flu. As others on here have mentioned, the death numbers have been SEVERELY inflated.



Here are two videos, demonstrating how they have recklessly inflated the COVID death toll: 1.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHp1GdOD4k


2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg

[Ratfish]

Doesn't warrant the complete destruction of millions of people's livelihoods

Nothing does, really

[Blasting]

Yeah, not sure I understand why people call it fake.

I agree with people that say it’s been politicized, that it’s not nearly as dangerous as once thought (or some people still think), the numbers are probably exaggerated, the masks probably aren’t as effective as they claim, the economy definitely shouldn’t be shut down, that “permanent damage” exists for a year-old virus can’t be proven, etc. I’m certainly not afraid of getting the virus.

But you can’t deny that it’s more deadly than the flu. You can’t deny that people who would normally be fine from the flu are getting very sick and potentially dealing with long term issues.

Cliffs: Flu folks and panicles are both misplaced.

[rectifryer]

The data lags because the reporting lags. From the CDC:



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

Wanna see something fukked up? Get a breakdown of that graph by demographic. The CDC hosts it...

mind = blown.

If you're white and under age 65 you are completely safe...

Older black people are getting annihilated by this.

Anyways, my entire extended family has apparently had it and I don't know of a single person to succumb to it.

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

500k people die in the U.S. every year from smoking. People die every day, b. This isn't about saving lives, not even in the slightest

This is one of my biggest talking points. The amount of people who die every year from poor life choices like smoking and obesity which lead to cancers, diabetes, lung disease, heart attacks....list goes on..... is astronomical. Don't hear much of a peep from anyone about all that.

[darkninja67]

What Ratfish said above


It's real but the way the media portrays this "pandemic" is way out of control.


This virus killed on the high end around 0.016% of the world's population. The hype makes it seem like this is the 2nd coming of the Black Death or small pox.

[katya422]

How did we go from 10k in August/September to 275k without serious fukkery going on?

We didn't?

Markus Paul of the Dallas Cowboys has not been listed as a COVID death yet that I'm aware of (it's listed as a Non-COVID medical emergency). Cause of death is pending. Not a great article to use for your point here when many believe that lots of deaths are being attributed to COVID when in reality an underlying health factor was the real cause, the person just happened to test positive for COVID.

It was at least "strongly implied" by local tv news coverage, but you are right that it is listed as pending so far. I will delete him as an example.

[elterrible987]

We know the pcr cycles for a positive were adjusted to make the test more sensitive aka - more false positives. Even WITH that manipulation, the data doesnt support the lockdowns. Even with mislabeled covid deaths, the data still doesnt support the economic destruction.

It is clear as day the media misrepresents the data and presents it in a handpicked way to scare the viewers. This is why they love "total cases" and "total deaths", those are numbers that only go up, the number will always be larger than the last time they showed you.

They dont tell you that 80% of the deaths were 65 years old and older. They dont tell you that the majority of the deaths were past the US life expectancy. We dont have honest journalism in the US anymore, we have North Korean style propaganda machines.

[CougarP01]

Coming on the misc and claiming that everyone is calling it fake is kind of ridiculous imo. Outside of troll accounts and morons, the majority of miscers are acknowledging this for exactly what it is: a stronger flu. That's not a bad comparison. The Flu sucks when it hits you right.

There is a lot of scattered, unverified, and subjective information out there...
-False Positives -False Negatives -2nd/3rd/4th tier sources-Unverified statistics -Asymptomatic Cases-Postponing of Flu Statistics

There is only one source that stays solid throughout this whole thing, and that is the simple googling of cases and deaths. Its the most trusted thing, and here is where we are at:

The photo you posted puts the death percentage at 1.98%(edit: in the US)

2 weeks ago? 2.1%.. A few weeks before? 2.3%..A couple months prior to that? 2.7%..A couple months before? 3...and 4...and 5 I think is where it caps

I just don't see the sense in overblowing a virus with a proven, countinuously downward trending death rate. There will always be outliers, and that is a sad part of life, but there are also positive outliers where 100+ year olds beat Corona with their hands tied behind their back.

I don't want to get it much like I don't want to get any virus, so I take precautions, however nothing more than necessary, and I'm not changing my lifestyle to compensate for a virus that CDC says I have a .0005% chance of dying from(I also don't hang around older people either though). There are bigger issues like mental health and long term financial stability, which is fukking with wayyyyyyyy more people. Shutting down the economy while balking on a stimulus package and saying we cant see family while governors are flying across to see family is probably why people are calling this disease overrated.

This is one of my biggest talking points. The amount of people who die every year from poor life choices like smoking and obesity which lead to cancers, diabetes, lung disease, heart attacks....list goes on..... is astronomical. Don't hear much of a peep from anyone about all that.

Its crazy because its so obvious the types of people that are hardest hit by this virus...the people most prone to complications...obese..high blood pressure...etc.

I bet we can look at obesity and health statistics 3 years from now, and obesity, smoking, exercise rates won't even budge. That says a lot. If I knew a disease was coming after me because I have the underlying health conditions, I would work my ass off to fix that.

[elterrible987]

This is one of my biggest talking points. The amount of people who die every year from poor life choices like smoking and obesity which lead to cancers, diabetes, lung disease, heart attacks....list goes on..... is astronomical. Don't hear much of a peep from anyone about all that.

my retired neighbors are always bitching about drumpf, about covid, blah blah blah. They both smoke.

These people only read headlines or watch talking heads on CNN. Case in point - they were complaining they couldnt wear their masks with the ventilators on the plane. They didnt understand why. They were hardcore maskcels and panicels but didnt understand the clear logic for that rule, why maybe the airline doesnt want people breathing out unfiltered air into the cabin, because despite being old and in a high risk category, they never took any time to actually read up on covid.

[Blasting]

I'm denying that 100% unless you can provide a source

You need a source to prove that it’s more deadly? Are you kidding?

[bsmit107]

-Drastically overinflated death numbers, Hospitals given incentives to call deaths from covid.
brb car accident, he had covid....died of covid

-Underrepresented positive case numbers, making the death rate look worse...still not worthy of the reactions.
How many people have it with no symptoms or didn't get tested.

-Going on 2 Flu Seasons now and just adding the numbers continuously so it looks worse, like more of an issue.
brb....new record death toll today...no chit it's going to be a new record every day.

-Re-infection possibility so small its not even a concern and small % of population actually at risk of death.......but lets shut down the economy and ruin millions of people's lives for something that isn't as much of an issue as the regular flu....even without a vaccine.

This Virus has been politicized beyond belief and has allowed the government to make changes and gain more control over people in 9 months than what's been done in the last 50+ years. Have fun with inflation in the next 1-2 years. Also, look for your taxes to increase and get ready for more re-distribution of wealth.

[OntheClockNE]

I started getting sick on Thanksgiving, fever and chills and body aches with headache. I then lost taste and smell Sunday. I have felt like absolute dogchit, but I also got a shingles and flu shot the Friday before so my immune system might be pissed off at me. Tested positive yesterday and am quarantined until 12/11 from work but working from home when not napping. This thing is real, but just a bad bad cold.

[katya422]

would you consider it a "hoax" or "fake" that there were TWELVE cases of the flu (you know, the normal flu) in the entire country last week?

But, but, but...... that must just mean that social distancing, mask mandates, and lockdowns got rid of the flu!!!!

Maybe. The flu season doesn't start in the US. There were reports back in the summer that other countries had seen there influenza case drop to nearly nothing.

Also the big flu number that was normally flogged in the press wasn't based on actual testing. It was just an estimate based on reported cases of "flu like illness". The twelve cases are probably actual positive flu tests from people getting tested to rule out flu as a cause of their symptoms.

its obviously serious for some but the average person who has a job, family and stuff to do trust most information when they have been let down and lied to by propagandist "news" networks and organisations which always seem to have some ulterior political motives on every issue



https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-covid19-surge



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54477523

The media and government handling of this has been really crappy.

[anonymous]

Expected this thread to be about pro wrestling

[elterrible987]

Coming on the misc and claiming that everyone is calling it fake is kind of ridiculous imo. Outside of troll accounts and morons, the majority of miscers are acknowledging this for exactly what it is: a stronger flu. That's not a bad comparison. The Flu sucks when it hits you right.

This is a very common tactic used to manipulate. You pick out the most extreme position of your opposition, no matter how small a percentage that view actually is, claim that is what all your opposition is saying and argue against that rather than the more widely held views.

The media used this same tactic against "pizzagate". You had politically connected people openly making sexual remarks and taking photos of other people's kids and not even hiding their sexual interest in children. The news didnt cover that at all, they just claimed people on the internet said there was an underground dungeon and look no dungeon so nothing to see here folks. They didnt want to talk about why does Podesta have sexual paintings of children all over his fuking house and why does the candidate for POTUS associate with this creeper.

Media did this early on with covid too, they hyped up the small portion of people saying 5g and covid were related. How many articles in the MSM were there on that compared to actual people who ever advocated that "theory"

[xvicknumber7x]

it killed my grandpa and I still think its overblown and ridiculous how we are responding to it tbh, i had it and its the flu. it does not warrant the insane response that it has received under any circumstance when looking at the numbers.