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03-13-2020, 06:27 AM #1201I call my cawk Baby Yoda. Cause the whole world loves it.
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03-13-2020, 06:31 AM #1202
Britbrahs, is your government full retarded?
I see them already raising conversation about "herd immunity" which means letting at least 60% of your people get infected this summer
what in the actual fuk?
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03-13-2020, 06:36 AM #1203
Simple answer.
Yes.
You just need to watch this video from the Prime minister.
Bear in mind that he proposed no travel bans, and no banning of large gatherings (e.g. Football stadiums, concerts, horseraces, etc).
Notice how nonchalant he talks about masses of people losing family members, due to the virus.
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03-13-2020, 06:42 AM #1204
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I'm not sure they're retarded as much as simply finally telling people the truth, which is that there is no alternative to letting this circulate. We can't all live in bunkers forever. The best that can be done is social distancing to make it as slow as possible so that those who can be saved in the ICU will be saved.
This is an actual chart of death rates with social distancing measures and without from 1918. St. Louis reacted with a day or two of the disease appearing, closing schools, churches, theaters, limiting the number of people who could share trolley cars. Philadelphia, on the other hand, held a parade of infected soldiers.
You can see plainly how it dragged the crisis out much longer but reduced the overall area under the curve by about half. That is saved lives, people who were able to forestall dying until herd immunity kicked in.
Without vaccination, this is basically the only tool we have against this type of epidemic disease. It's always been wishful thinking that it would just go away. Travel bans don't matter because foreigners are no longer the primary source.Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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03-13-2020, 06:44 AM #1205
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Their tracking map/page stopped updating right around the POTUS speech a day and a half ago. The change from counties to states was like 3 days ago.
If you're trying to get location information under the theory that it's only out there in counties or specific cities with officially reported confirmed cases, you're already fuked
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03-13-2020, 06:50 AM #1206
Isn't the main difference with the Coronavirus today that it's actually not that deadly, assuming people get the right treatment in a timely manner?
So that it's actually useful to flatten the infection curve by social distancing, which will then result in a lower death rate curve. Whereas your graph only shows the death rate for the Spanish flu (& not the infection rate), which was lethal to everyone (especially the young).
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03-13-2020, 06:55 AM #1207
That's the point I think he was making with the retarded comment.
There have been no serious announcements to encourage social distancing by the UK government. No travel bans (They allowed fans from Madrid to attend a football match in Liverpool, despite being aware that Madrid has have over 1.5K cases, and the government have closed school in Madrid), no school closures, no university closures, and no mass gathering bans.
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03-13-2020, 06:56 AM #1208
To quote myself - I just found this:
https://twitter.com/IDMOD_ORG/status...81591784865793
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03-13-2020, 06:58 AM #1209
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Define not "that" deadly. It's not that deadly compared to _insert historical tens of millions dead pandemic from a century ago we all know about today". It is that deadly compared to any seasonal flu or other 'ordinary' thing we have experience with this generation (or last)
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03-13-2020, 07:02 AM #1210
You're right, I was just comparing the numbers with the ones ANumber1 was referring to.
The fact is that it's here now, so we might better distance ourselves to contain the virus and lower the amount of people needing treatment. Because the death rate starts spiking once the latter start getting out of control (which is what we've seen in Italy: medical personnel need to 'choose' who to treat because there were more patients than there was medical capacity).
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03-13-2020, 07:03 AM #1211
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I'm not trying to get information for that reason. As someone with a science background, I personally think it's already spread around the whole country and isn't as bad as it's being made out to be.
I'm just saying something strange is going on with that site and I think it's intentional. I think it's being done to limit panic.trainingwithryan.substack.com
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03-13-2020, 07:05 AM #1212
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03-13-2020, 07:06 AM #1213
Hearing rumors that coronavirus attacks your testes and makes you go infertile. Is that bull**** or reality? Cause that's one of my greatest fears is going infertile.
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03-13-2020, 07:07 AM #1214
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03-13-2020, 07:08 AM #1215
The amount of low testing is already mainly why no one is worried. "Only" 1800 cases doesn't seem like a big deal to most.
But they aren't considering that literally the only people being tested are ones that are basically at the point that pneumonia is setting in. You can have all the symptoms, but if shortness of breath isn't one they refuse to test you.
So the numbers we're seeing are only people who have it the worst IMO. And that I definitely believe is intentional to keep the official number down and panic down.
I'm convinced we are probably on the same level of total infections as Italy most likely. Just only testing a fraction of the people they are so our official number is lower. There's zero reason to think we should have less infections than them. We literally have (had) hundreds of flights back and firth to China a month in the US. It has been there since November. Absolutely no fking way in hell it only just got prevalent here now.Last edited by R3L3NTL3SS; 03-13-2020 at 07:33 AM.
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03-13-2020, 07:09 AM #1216
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03-13-2020, 07:15 AM #1217
So I work at a hospital and they screen them when they come in for their appointment. Appointment only, we don't take people straight off the street. Anyways, a lady was questioned and said "even if I had it, I wouldn't tell you". This is the type of people we have in this country and it's why we're fuked.
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03-13-2020, 07:16 AM #1218
Myself and a few others hold this belief as well. We aren't suddenly getting 200+ new infections a day....we're just discovering the existing ones. With how fast blew up in Wuhan, it had to be circulating since late November/early December. That is roughly 1.5 months of travel in and out of there all over the globe without people taking the extra caution they are now.
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03-13-2020, 07:17 AM #1219
State of Emergency "estado de alarma" in Spain now. Gyms gun be closed, government can take over property for public well being except homes. No moving around unless urgent, cities on minimum services inc mine.
Looks like Spain are finally doing somerhing... theres no turning back
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03-13-2020, 07:20 AM #1220
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I might be missing your point, but here is some napkin math:
The WHO report from China indicates that about 14% of people present in severe condition - very gravely ill - and 6% present in critical condition - basically, they are dying.
The death rate estimates for all confirmed cases were around 3.4%, and China's death rate for closed cases is now 4.72%, so likely closing in on that figure. Fauci has publicly speculated that 1% might be the true death rate including undetected cases.
1% is still ten times deadlier than the flu, and that's with extremely costly and time-consuming modern medical intervention - "proper treatment" - for that 20% who are presenting in severe-to-critical condition. Nassau County reports 40 cases with 10 in hospital and 1 in ICU, so I don't think we're seeing a radically better situation develop in the United States than the one seen in China.
Assuming that 6% of confirmed cases present in critical condition and accepting Fauci's estimates that there are perhaps 2-2.5x as many unconfirmed cases out there that are mild, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this disease is actually comparably deadly to the Spanish Flu and that the difference is the fact that it is not 1918. ECMO, ventilators, tocilizumab, all things that were not available in 1918 when someone stopped breathing. "Intensive care" as a specialty did not develop for a few more decades. In 1918, it's reasonable to assume that nearly all of the critical cases would have died as well as some percentage of the severe cases.
So my point is that the only tool we have in our toolbox right now seems to be to slow this down so that proper treatment remains available to the gravely ill, possibly even just to keep it down to that 1% target. Otherwise, it is plausible that a lot of people will be stuck receiving 1918 levels of care and will die for no good reason.Last edited by ANumber1; 03-13-2020 at 07:35 AM.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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03-13-2020, 07:21 AM #1221
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03-13-2020, 07:21 AM #1222
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03-13-2020, 07:24 AM #1223
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03-13-2020, 07:25 AM #1224
yep actually it will be 2 weeks.
Have legit sources at the pentagon(family members).
Community infection has started down here in dallas meaning people who havent even travelled outside of the city are contracting it now.
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03-13-2020, 07:29 AM #1225
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03-13-2020, 07:33 AM #1226
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03-13-2020, 07:40 AM #1227
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03-13-2020, 07:43 AM #1228
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03-13-2020, 07:46 AM #1229
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Just had official Company e-mail requesting (in nicest terms) for employees to stay the phuck at home and work from there. Also no meetings, visits, etc. Basically all work is online/phone from now on.
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03-13-2020, 07:58 AM #1230
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