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    Strong man is strong. I liked how you just walked away like it was nothing.
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    Strong man is strong. I liked how you just walked away like it was nothing.
    I'm a huge fan of this style. As much as I respect Layne Norton, I just can't get all crazy like he does. I'm on Team Not a Single Fuk is Given.
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    Strong man is strong. I liked how you just walked away like it was nothing.
    Yah getting worked up is pointless to me. But i was kinda pissed off i wasted my firts two attempts going beltless. Third pull was so much easier, might have been able to get closer to 7 that day FUU everyone is on spread too..
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    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    I'm a huge fan of this style. As much as I respect Layne Norton, I just can't get all crazy like he does. I'm on Team Not a Single Fuk is Given.
    ^ Yep, agreed. Everyone will have their own style, but I think it is much more respectable to act like you've been there before. Plus there is always gonna be some stronger, bigger guy right around the corner.
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    Strongman complexes or something.

    Might take my camera tomorrow
    Do it! Post it in your log/thread and we'll (I'll) tell you how you're not weak. Go heavy and impress

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    See if you can spot where I lose form and shift my weight onto the balls of my feet instead of my heels... lol

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    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post


    See if you can spot where I lose form and shift my weight onto the balls of my feet instead of my heels... lol

    inb4 strong good morning
    inb4 do you even lift
    Not as bad as mine The video is on my phone somewhere but toward the bottom my back just buckled forward and had to good morning at the bottom lulz.

    Gonna drop the weight for a bit and work on wider stance, depth and keeping my back in line
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    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    See if you can spot where I lose form and shift my weight onto the balls of my feet instead of my heels... lol
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    NMiscers I need your help, plz

    Going to copy and paste this from my log...not sure where my weaknesses lie, but I want to correct them to fix my squat. Thanks in advance for the help!

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    Ok, here's the deal. I need advice, and lots of it. Took some form check videos today of squats...I don't even know where to begin. I knew I had a lot of forward lean on my back squats but I didn't realize how bad it was. Looks practically like a good morning. Even with just the bar I still have a lot of forward lean so I don't think it's completely because of the weight being too heavy. I want to partially blame it on body mechanics and partially on underlying muscle weaknesses, but that's probably just me making excuses.

    I've tried resetting my squat to just the bar and working back up - didn't help. I'm working on box squats which don't look too bad, and just started trying front squats and goblet squats (videoed with kettlebells but I've done with DBs also).

    I'm thinking ix-nay the back squats, focusing on box, front and goblet squats (or maybe just 1 or 2 of those?), hopefully bringing up weaknesses (not that I even know what they are). Alternatively, there's the hack squat machine I could try...I wouldn't have to worry about my crazy forward lean and could just focus on legs. Not interested in smith squats so no point in arguing their case.

    So...here goes: be gentle. I'm sorry if you don't like my music selections.







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    - Form check because it sucks
    - Not sure what my weak areas are (help)
    - Need a new plan of attack for leg day (other assistance work is leg press and DB lunges)

    It's not that my legs are weak (I have a strong leg press at least)...it's that everything else is weak. Feelsbadman.jpg

    "Leg/Squat/Quads Day" usually looks like this:

    Squat variation (main lift) - reps and weight determined by where I'm at in the cycle
    Leg press
    Walking DB lunge

    Someone suggested strengthening my lower back.
    Am I doing the low bar position right?

    Should I switch to the hack squat machine while bringing up weaknesses?
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    ^the music in your 2nd vid is stopping me viewing it because of dat dere copyright cause im a brit****
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    ehhh. i guess ill join. nothing too impressive, but i do go ATG. this was about 4 weeks ago. been going a little lighter to correct the goodmorning movement i have.

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    ^the music in your 2nd vid is stopping me viewing it because of dat dere copyright cause im a brit****
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    Me thinks it's your upper back if you're quite literally doing a GM every rep.

    @Mitch: Not to nitpick what you call or don't call your squats (miring the depth, gj) but that's just past parallel. (Granted ATG is dependent on how deep/flexible you are.)
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    Me thinks it's your upper back if you're quite literally doing a GM every rep.

    @Mitch: Not to nitpick what you call or don't call your squats (miring the depth, gj) but that's just past parallel. (Granted ATG is dependent on how deep/flexible you are.)
    Thank you for your input! Definitely think it's some sort of back issue just not really sure where to begin with fixing it. :/
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Thank you for your input! Definitely think it's some sort of back issue just not really sure where to begin with fixing it. :/
    I found squeezing my shoulder blades together as hard as possible and using a close(r) grip on the bar helped me keep my upper back tight (also have to focus on it during the lift obviously.)
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    Me thinks it's your upper back if you're quite literally doing a GM every rep.

    @Mitch: Not to nitpick what you call or don't call your squats (miring the depth, gj) but that's just past parallel. (Granted ATG is dependent on how deep/flexible you are.)
    ha, i guess ive just been told that in my gym cuz literally every other person does 1/2 squats...but yeah after watching that i do just go to parallel. i think i do go lower on my warmup sets though.
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Should I switch to the hack squat machine while bringing up weaknesses?
    *frustrated*
    It won't really fix anything.

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    Me thinks it's your upper back if you're quite literally doing a GM every rep.
    I personally think the major problem is that she has problems sitting back on her heels, which prevents her from progressing further down with her legs. If it wasn't this (IMO) then her goblet squat wouldn't be on point.
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Awww You're missing a good 4 minutes of solid me.
    I didn't!

    You're going up on toes each time -- focus on more heel drive. To do this you can put a plate under your toes and squat like that....might be glutes overpowering legs as well - the hack and some lunges might help out to build the quad and hams so the lower back/glutes don't take over (I have the same dominance in my glutes and have had the same issue squatting)

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    ha, i guess ive just been told that in my gym cuz literally every other person does 1/2 squats...but yeah after watching that i do just go to parallel. i think i do go lower on my warmup sets though.
    Your sets looked good -- still some GM action going on, try to focus on heel drive, it should help. Personally I wouldn't go any further than that on your squat, I feel more benefit from about the low.
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    I personally think the major problem is that she has problems sitting back on her heels, which prevents her from progressing further down with her legs. If it wasn't this (IMO) then her goblet squat wouldn't be on point.
    Possibly, just wanted to chime in (admittedly I haven't watched all the vids) with what I saw at first glance. :P
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    Possibly, just wanted to chime in (admittedly I haven't watched all the vids) with what I saw at first glance. :P
    I wasn't trying to call you out or anything or saying you were wrong. I was just throwing out my opinion.
    “Go back?" he thought. "No good at all! Go sideways? Impossible! Go forward? Only thing to do! On we go!" So up he got, and trotted along with his little sword held in front of him and one hand feeling the wall, and his heart all of a patter and a pitter.”
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    Originally Posted by Phrak View Post
    http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/714/2b9.mp4/

    Probably a fail embed, heres me pulling 655lb at my last meet.
    Ffffuuuuu....

    No straps, no hesitation, looked easy as hell going up.

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    I wasn't trying to call you out or anything or saying you were wrong. I was just throwing out my opinion.
    Haha, don't worry - I didn't take it that way at all.
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    Originally Posted by MarkVI View Post
    I didn't!

    You're going up on toes each time -- focus on more heel drive. To do this you can put a plate under your toes and squat like that....might be glutes overpowering legs as well - the hack and some lunges might help out to build the quad and hams so the lower back/glutes don't take over (I have the same dominance in my glutes and have had the same issue squatting)
    Would bigger plates be better to use? What size do you recommend? Are the plates similar to the blocks Mark Ripptoe recommends? I'm going to search for more videos where he talks about this and fix it.

    I just tried propping my heels up on a book at home and I think this is really going to help! I've also been working on lunges and bringing up my hamstrings so hopefully this will help too. Thank you so much!

    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    It won't really fix anything.



    I personally think the major problem is that she has problems sitting back on her heels, which prevents her from progressing further down with her legs. If it wasn't this (IMO) then her goblet squat wouldn't be on point.
    Oh ok, yeah I wasn't sure if the hack machine would help or not.

    I do have a problem sitting back, but I feel like if I sit back on my heels more I will topple backwards. Hopefully propping my heels up will help with this.

    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I found squeezing my shoulder blades together as hard as possible and using a close(r) grip on the bar helped me keep my upper back tight (also have to focus on it during the lift obviously.)
    I'll do this. I used to use a fairly narrow grip and didn't know if it would help to change it, but I'll go back to this to keep my upper back tight. Thank you!
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    I do have a problem sitting back, but I feel like if I sit back on my heels more I will topple backwards. Hopefully propping my heels up will help with this.
    Use lightweight and see what happens. It could be more of a mental thing than anything else.
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    Use lightweight and see what happens. It could be more of a mental thing than anything else.
    I should've video-ed with just the bar but I didn't. :/ Still lean with the bar, it's just not as GM-like.
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    I do have a problem sitting back, but I feel like if I sit back on my heels more I will topple backwards. Hopefully propping my heels up will help with this.
    Something that helped me with that is wall (facing) squats. Stand a few inches from a wall with your feet in your squat position (shoulder width, wider, whatever) and perform several squats. You should see you really need to focus on using your hips and pushing your butt back (while staying upright) or your face is going to be rubbing the wall. You can move in closer to the wall the easier it becomes. Seems to help with box squats more than free, as there is usually less knee travel.

    Are you using the box to improve your free squat, or is it just another tool in the arsenal? It seems hit and miss with different people as far as carry over, but at the least I'd try and mimic my free squat as much as possible if free squat was what I was trying to improve...
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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    Something that helped me with that is wall (facing) squats. Stand a few inches from a wall with your feet in your squat position (shoulder width, wider, whatever) and perform several squats. You should see you really need to focus on using your hips and pushing your butt back (while staying upright) or your face is going to be rubbing the wall. You can move in closer to the wall the easier it becomes. Seems to help with box squats more than free, as there is usually less knee travel.

    Are you using the box to improve your free squat, or is it just another tool in the arsenal? It seems hit and miss with different people as far as carry over, but at the least I'd try and mimic my free squat as much as possible if free squat was what I was trying to improve...
    I was trying to to use box squats to fix my back squats.


    Mark, I just realized you said plates under the toes...I read it as under the heels.

    With my heels propped up 1-2" squatting BW feels easy as can be. Toes propped or flat footed and my back arch hurts and I get that lean forward.

    I'm tall and have long legs, so I did my HW and came across some info, including this article:

    http://www.davedraper.com/squatting-...sed-heels.html

    Basically longer femurs and shorter torsos (idk if I have a short torso, but I have long legs), can use heels under the blocks without the knee problems that others may get from this.

    Many people are against the heels being raised, but how is that much different than a weightlifting shoe with the heels raised (besides them not being attached to my feet)?

    I know it's not because of hamstring flexibility either.

    Perhaps a visual:

    This is me barefoot, squatting down - it really hurts my upper back and I had to push my knees with my elbows to keep my back that straight, plus it is super uncomfortable:


    Heels slightly propped up - feels natural, back is straighter.
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    You guys know you can always throw a couple of 5 lb weights under your heels to help you get a bit deeper while staying balanced and remaining on your heels. Some people call it cheating, but I swear by it.
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    I was trying to to use box squats to fix my back squats.
    I may be in the minority, but I don't think using box squats to fix your back squats (as opposed to assisting them) is the best idea. A well-done box squat from what I understand is not going to be the same mechanics-wise as a well-done back squat. So while I get the logic, it would seem that the best way to improve your back squat is to do back squats.

    Originally Posted by ven33 View Post
    You guys know you can always throw a couple of 5 lb weights under your heels to help you get a bit deeper while staying balanced and remaining on your heels. Some people call it cheating, but I swear by it.
    Shoes with a slight heel would make more sense, don't you think? While at lighter weights and warm-ups it wouldn't be a problem, I couldn't imagine spending seconds trying to find some darn plates with my feet while balancing heavy weight on my back. Walking out can be challenging enough as it is

    Ashlei, since I tend to have my weight more in my toes as well, some suggestions I've been given were to stretch out my calves more. Just a thought
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