Misc Firearms Crew LXXVII: Locked (Down) and Loaded

[IronKrazy]

Don't buy that Hornady Frontier...chit has been exploding peoples' rifles and Hornady tells them to pound sand.

You're right Nuggz, quick search led me to some discussion about this manufacturer. Ok will wait one for advice while I look around....

[Farley1324]

Ok gents. I'm ready to get my first 1000 round purchase of both 9mm and .223 so thoughts on this cart? I have 2 AR mags currently, this would give me 5. And then I'm going to buy a few p2000 mags from GrabAGun. Also I checked my stock and I have 252 rounds of 9mm (100 rounds of Browning 147gr) with 2 13 round mags +1 in the chamber. I then have 2 30 round mags full of .223 with about 20 left in the box and 1 in the chamber. I've been using this exact ammo for my 9mm and it's been great. Not sure about the .223 but if it's in stock I feel I should nab this.

Don't buy Frontier ammo, it's fuking up guns left and right.

Buy Federal. American Eagle, or XM193, or whatever. Or Lake City branded from Target Sports. Or Prvi Partizan/PPU. Or Wolf Gold. Or Magtech/CBC. Or IMI

[NuggzTheNinja]

You're right Nuggz, quick search led me to some discussion about this manufacturer. Ok will wait one for advice while I look around....

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?ca=brass

Fiocchi at 32.3 cpr, PMC at around 34 cpr, etc. Would go for Fiocchi, PMC, Federal, Prvi...honestly I'd rather shoot Wolf than Frontier if it's through one of my practice guns.

When steel ammo was not that much cheaper than brass, it made sense to just shoot the better brass cased ammo. The steel cased stuff is now roughly half the price (Target Sports has Tula for 21 CPR - bear in mind that I was paying 26 cpr for Fiocchi before the Rona - versus 40 cpr for brass cased ammo) so it's almost worth it if you're shooting enough of it.

[IronKrazy]

Don't buy Frontier ammo, it's fuking up guns left and right.

Buy Federal. American Eagle, or XM193, or whatever. Or Lake City branded from Target Sports. Or Prvi Partizan/PPU. Or Wolf Gold. Or Magtech/CBC. Or IMI

Copy that Far. Placed my order for the 1000rds of 9mm and the 3 Magpuls. Not a bad price tbh. I was looking at JHP's as well. But I'll get to those down the not to distant road. For now some stock for the house will do.

[IronKrazy]

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?ca=brass

Fiocchi at 32.3 cpr, PMC at around 34 cpr, etc. Would go for Fiocchi, PMC, Federal, Prvi...honestly I'd rather shoot Wolf than Frontier if it's through one of my practice guns.

When steel ammo was not that much cheaper than brass, it made sense to just shoot the better brass cased ammo. The steel cased stuff is now roughly half the price (Target Sports has Tula for 21 CPR - bear in mind that I was paying 26 cpr for Fiocchi before the Rona - versus 40 cpr for brass cased ammo) so it's almost worth it if you're shooting enough of it.

That's a helluva site Nuggz, thanks. But I thought you guys frowned upon steel as it tends to jam like a mofo?

[Farley1324]

That's a helluva site Nuggz, thanks. But I thought you guys frowned upon steel as it tends to jam like a mofo?

Steel ammo is fine for most training and plinking purposes. It's not as reliable, or clean, and tula is the worst in 223 (though some tula made is branded a wolf anyway), but, it works for training purposes generally. When the price difference is big, it's a viable choice

[Brozef]

Steel ammo is fine for most training and plinking purposes. It's not as reliable, or clean, and tula is the worst in 223 (though some tula made is branded a wolf anyway), but, it works for training purposes generally. When the price difference is big, it's a viable choice

I wont buy or shoot Tula, but I've had no functionally issues with Barnaul made steel ammo. Pretty dirty stuff though.

Actually have 1000 coming tomorrow from SG

[Farley1324]

I wont buy or shoot Tula, but I've had no functionally issues with Barnaul made steel ammo. Pretty dirty stuff though.

Actually have 1000 coming tomorrow from SG

The Barnaul made is definitely the better of the two over the tula manu

It's all filthy and a no-go anywhere that disallows steel/bimetal bullets (many indoor ranges, outdoor ranges often if it's dry fire season) due to sparking and fire hazard.

But other than that, to continue answering the previous question, it's fine range us ammo

[IronKrazy]

Steel ammo is fine for most training and plinking purposes. It's not as reliable, or clean, and tula is the worst in 223 (though some tula made is branded a wolf anyway), but, it works for training purposes generally. When the price difference is big, it's a viable choice

I wont buy or shoot Tula, but I've had no functionally issues with Barnaul made steel ammo. Pretty dirty stuff though.

Actually have 1000 coming tomorrow from SG

I hear you guys on price difference. Just throwing rounds down range at almost a $.25 less would be a logical move. BUT as Bro says, it sounds dirty AF. For one I don't really have a place to clean my AR properly (not a man, no excuse, I know lol. I'm working on this.) and two this is my only AR and I don't want to beat it up. I'd like to keep it clean and to rely/use it for both defense/training. In essence make it last as long as possible until I can get something that will take a lickin and keep on tickin. Colt, DD, build my own etc.

[rectifryer]

Are there any biometric safes on the market that are reliable? Everything i see has some dude breaking into it with a paperclip in 20 seconds.

[gbullock32]

I wont buy or shoot Tula, but I've had no functionally issues with Barnaul made steel ammo. Pretty dirty stuff though.

Actually have 1000 coming tomorrow from SG

Thousands of rounds of Tula down range and no issues, but I do clean after every range trip.

[Farley1324]

Are there any biometric safes on the market that are reliable? Everything i see has some dude breaking into it with a paperclip in 20 seconds.

Stop watching whatever you are using as your resource, it's bull****

And, no, not really any truly reliable.

[Farley1324]

I hear you guys on price difference. Just throwing rounds down range at almost a $.25 less would be a logical move. BUT as Bro says, it sounds dirty AF. For one I don't really have a place to clean my AR properly (not a man, no excuse, I know lol. I'm working on this.) and two this is my only AR and I don't want to beat it up. I'd like to keep it clean and to rely/use it for both defense/training. In essence make it last as long as possible until I can get something that will take a lickin and keep on tickin. Colt, DD, build my own etc.

There's very little to regular 'cleaning' of an AR even shooting dirty. Get a boresnake, some patches/rags/old t shirts, some solvent, some lube...takes like 5 minutes. Deck, balcony, garage, put some newspaper (lol who has that any more) down over the table or counter, there's not much to it. It's not supposed to end up "clean", just, less caked with gunk, and lubed

[rectifryer]

Stop watching whatever you are using as your resource, it's bull****

And, no, not really any truly reliable.

This is my source:

https://www.handgunsaferesearch.com/...6-c458176981eb

I'll probably stick with mechanical deadbolt systems but that really bends my quick access stick

[pUniCepts]

wtf kind of specs am i looking at here?

Secret service counter-sniper, walking around the grounds. must be a 32 inch barrel, bull barrel, probaby chambered in 223

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you think he had a run in with El Cirujano?
or was he born double thumbed?

can't tell from the pic

[NuggzTheNinja]

That's a helluva site Nuggz, thanks. But I thought you guys frowned upon steel as it tends to jam like a mofo?

Jamming isn't really an issue with it. A few things to bear in mind...

1) If you're shooting it, it won't expand to fill the chamber so you'll get a lot of fouling. Old Painless did a thread on it a while back...firing a few rounds of brass cased stuff at the end can help clean it out before you pack up for the day.

2) It's mild steel so will wear your extractor faster. Extractors are cheap though...you can easily swap out specific "steel case ammo" extractor if you want for cheap insurance. Not an issue IMO.

3) Main issue is throat erosion. It will erode your barrel's throat faster than other ammo since it's copper washed steel...very thin layer. You'll only get about half the life of the barrel versus feeding it nothing but regular brass cased 5.56. So around 5k=10k rounds instead of 10-20k depending on firing schedule. A little math...

At 350/case, 10k rounds of brass will cost you $3,500.
At 220/case, 10k rounds of steel will cost you $2,200.

You can buy your new barrel and still save $1,000. Most people won't put 10k through their rifle anyway. Just my opinion.

[Farley1324]

Most people definitely aren't putting 10k rifle rounds downrange, and if they do, most of those will buy an unnecessary amount of guns to spread the wear out. Or, just replace the barrel sooner

[Orlando1234977]

I am undefeated in bbcom bets going back over a decade.

Time sure flies by don't it.

-o

[Orlando1234977]

Wait till Trump gets this boy in a debate room.

[IronKrazy]

There's very little to regular 'cleaning' of an AR even shooting dirty. Get a boresnake, some patches/rags/old t shirts, some solvent, some lube...takes like 5 minutes. Deck, balcony, garage, put some newspaper (lol who has that any more) down over the table or counter, there's not much to it. It's not supposed to end up "clean", just, less caked with gunk, and lubed

True. Very true. I'm over here thinking field strip after every other use lol. I should venture into some how to clean your AR or basic maintenance vids on the ole UTube. And even then knowing how to field strip your weapons and knowing your way around them is valuable and shouldn't be a second thought I imagine.

Jamming isn't really an issue with it. A few things to bear in mind...

1) If you're shooting it, it won't expand to fill the chamber so you'll get a lot of fouling. Old Painless did a thread on it a while back...firing a few rounds of brass cased stuff at the end can help clean it out before you pack up for the day.

2) It's mild steel so will wear your extractor faster. Extractors are cheap though...you can easily swap out specific "steel case ammo" extractor if you want for cheap insurance. Not an issue IMO.

3) Main issue is throat erosion. It will erode your barrel's throat faster than other ammo since it's copper washed steel...very thin layer. You'll only get about half the life of the barrel versus feeding it nothing but regular brass cased 5.56. So around 5k=10k rounds instead of 10-20k depending on firing schedule. A little math...

At 350/case, 10k rounds of brass will cost you $3,500.
At 220/case, 10k rounds of steel will cost you $2,200.

You can buy your new barrel and still save $1,000. Most people won't put 10k through their rifle anyway. Just my opinion.

Damn, so much info, so much alpha. Humbling post Nuggz. Thanks. That said 3 13rd p2000 mags are on their way. I got them from https://www.topgunsupply.com/h-k-usp...-magazine.html.

Hopefully they are a good company because these magazines are very fukin scarce. That gives me 5 mags for the 9mm. Should be plenty to have some fun with and go to work with if needed.

[Farley1324]

Yes, Biden did say we should train police officers to, when facing somebody coming at them with a knife, shoot them in the leg.

[Ikeman83]

Don't buy that Hornady Frontier...chit has been exploding peoples' rifles and Hornady tells them to pound sand.

I've run a few thousand rounds, no issues.

[Steve707]

Wait till Trump gets this boy in a debate room.

Thata gonna be way too much stupid for one room.

[IronKrazy]

Also one last question if you all don't mind. What's the proper way to bring all my stuff to an indoor range. I'm quite certain that if I were to put it all into a black duffel bag, except the AR, they wouldn't be too happy. Ammo in the duffel and guns in their / a case? Not loaded of course.

And also done on the .223 ammo. I bought a case of 200 when I first got the Ruger and it runs through it just fine. So now I got my 1000rds plus I have 61 rounds and change in mags and in the box.

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[Farley1324]

Also one last question if you all don't mind. What's the proper way to bring all my stuff to an indoor range. I'm quite certain that if I were to put it all into a black duffel bag, except the AR, they wouldn't be too happy. Ammo in the duffel and guns in their / a case? Not loaded of course.

And also done on the .223 ammo. I bought a case of 200 when I first got the Ruger and it runs through it just fine. So now I got my 1000rds plus I have 61 rounds and change in mags and in the box.

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What kind of range, where are you? Most people buy range bags to put everything in, and then a rifle bag/case for the rifle, or they lock the bolt open/use a chamber flag, and carry the rifle pointed up/down in that obviously unloaded condition.

These are super popular

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/939343130

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020438366

[IronKrazy]

What kind of range, where are you? Most people buy range bags to put everything in, and then a rifle bag/case for the rifle, or they lock the bolt open/use a chamber flag, and carry the rifle pointed up/down in that obviously unloaded condition.

These are super popular

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/939343130

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020438366

Those are nice. Great price too. I'm in Indiana but haven't really taken the time to search for a range. I had a little land where I used to live and was planning on getting a few AR500 targets to shoot at. But sometimes life takes a turn on you. Trying to do right and what I can for myself right now.

I'm out for the night but I appreciate all the information. Stay safe MFC.

[Meatie]

video from Lucas @ TREX ARM's instragram story of him and some other guys driving down a street in kit (Chest rig, radio, rifles) etc....only 9 seconds long though

[4ea]

Don't buy that Hornady Frontier...chit has been exploding peoples' rifles and Hornady tells them to pound sand.

srs?

[Farley1324]

srs?

Yes

[DeputyDong5]

video from Lucas @ TREX ARM's instragram story of him and some other guys driving down a street in kit (Chest rig, radio, rifles) etc....only 9 seconds long though

Lucas comes off as a douche sometimes... but he's knowledgeable and I enjoy his content(for the most part).

He's also a guy I would want on my side, and not the contrary.