Optimal protein intake.

[ErickStevens]

then why were you at 1g/lb for so long?

idunnolol

Why are you still 59 lbs?

[AlwaysTryin]

Why are you still 59 lbs?

[doyoueveneat]

"raising protein to 1.5 g/lb (another common value) may have small, cumulative benefits that current research can’t turn up. It usually can’t hurt unless it prevents sufficient intake of the other nutrients"

brb may
brb not supported by research

i highly doubt a protein intake higher than 1g/lb of LBM for a natural will have any benefits other than satiety.

[Lvisaa2]

I've already had ~175-200g of protein and it is only 8 o'clock. OMNOMNOM, ground beef and egg omelet.


Edit: Wow, just put it in and it is actually a little over 200g of protein. lulz blowing my load on my first meal.

[JasonDB]

I've already had ~175-200g of protein and it is only 8 o'clock. OMNOMNOM, ground beef and egg omelet.

Fatties gonna fat.

[Lvisaa2]

Fatties gonna fat.

1 1/2 lbs of ground beef + 7 eggs. Sexy time in my stomach. Cut starts monday /notready.

[ErickStevens]

I've already had ~175-200g of protein and it is only 8 o'clock. OMNOMNOM, ground beef and egg omelet.


Edit: Wow, just put it in and it is actually a little over 200g of protein. lulz blowing my load on my first meal.

Pepper your kidneys, you done goofed!

[Ajaro]

after reading over this thread, I realized I'm only taking in around 1g or slightly less per bw :/

Not sure how I got into the habit of going that low...

Edit - wait, are we talking about cutting protein grams or just...in general?

[l2ambo]

Do you guys sleep in matching race car bunk beds?

Yea. We both have stuffed teddy bears too.

[l2ambo]

after reading over this thread, I realized I'm only taking in around 1g or slightly less per bw :/

Not sure how I got into the habit of going that low...

Edit - wait, are we talking about cutting protein grams or just...in general?

In general.

[PerpetualMotion]

after reading over this thread, I realized I'm only taking in around 1g or slightly less per bw :/

Not sure how I got into the habit of going that low...

Edit - wait, are we talking about cutting protein grams or just...in general?

Even less than that is fine. Muscle mass wise, it apparently makes no difference @ 1g per pound of LBM. Some strength/power athletes tend to take more. There really isn't any evidence to suggest it and Lyle feels (and I think Tipton, the researcher, is the same) that there are other pathways that are positively effected by consuming more than 1g/lb BW but simply are too small to be measured. I actually read one of his interviews where he expanded on this and he stated that something along the lines that current scientific methods are simply not sophisticated enough to measure these smaller benefits and, eventually, the science will be advanced enough to do so. [Note: This is paraphrased.]

Ah, yes, I found the exact quote. Here it is:

An additional problem is that researchers are rarely measuring the endpoints important to athletes or coaches. Athletes aren't interested in nitrogen balance, they are interested in performance (i.e. improvements in muscle mass, strength, power, endurance, speed, etc.) and these are rarely measured in studies.

As well, most research looks simply at skeletal muscle metabolism and there are a host of other pathways (e.g. immune system function, connective tissue synthesis and others) that require protein/amino acids that may be upregulated with athletic training. All would be expected to potentially increase protein requirements but this area has been woefully unstudied.

With newer methods of measuring protein metabolism becoming rapidly available, hopefully some of these questions can be answered with a little less controversy. I'd note tangentially that, a recent paper I just read, using a different method of estimating maintenance protein requirements for non-athletes came to the conclusion that currently recommended protein levels are too low.

What implication this has for athletic nutrition I'm not sure but newer methods may be able to answer this question a little more concretely in the future.

At this point, in lieu of better data, I tend towards the higher end of protein recommendations. I think it's better to err on the side of slightly too much (where, at worst, protein becomes an expensive source of energy) than risking too little (where, at worst, performance, recovery, immunity, etc. is potentially compromised).

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/lyle/protein1.htm

What it comes down to for Lyle is "better safe than sorry." Obviously, these points are arguable as there isn't any research suggesting any of this and there are plenty of people that don't aim this high with great success. Just because Lyle said it doesn't make it gospel either, so take it with a grain of salt.

[greekmanman]

Even less than that is fine. Muscle mass wise, it apparently makes no difference @ 1g per pound of LBM. Some strength/power athletes tend to take more. There really isn't any evidence to suggest it and Lyle feels (and I think Tipton, the researcher, is the same) that there are other pathways that are positively effected by consuming more than 1g/lb BW but simply are too small to be measured. I actually read one of his interviews where he expanded on this and he stated that something along the lines that current scientific methods are simply not sophisticated enough to measure these smaller benefits and, eventually, the science will be advanced enough to do so. [Note: This is paraphrased.]

Ah, yes, I found the exact quote. Here it is:

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/lyle/protein1.htm

What it comes down to for Lyle is "better safe than sorry." Obviously, these points are arguable as there isn't any research suggesting any of this and there are plenty of people that don't aim this high with great success. Just because Lyle said it doesn't make it gospel either, so take it with a grain of salt.

Great post sir.

[Ajaro]

Ahhh yeah I remember reading that article. I think Im at 1g per LBM since I've been maintaining, just forgot why exactly I was that "low"...ty ty

[Schlangemann]

Do the benefits outweigh the risks of high protein intake? Where's the tipping point?

[Andrew_S]

Do the benefits outweigh the risks of high protein intake? Where's the tipping point?

'bout there

[ALEXH-]

1g for me. Per lb that is

[trance__dreamer]

'bout there

i swar...

DAGGERS.