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07-01-2017, 05:19 PM #1
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Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread part II
Intelligent individuals learn from every thing and every one; average people, from their experiences. The stupid already have all the answers.
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07-01-2017, 11:06 PM #3
Pepsi; Pay Every Penny (to) Save Isreal......
Isreal is to be the capital of for the NWO once every country is occupied... we are all cogs in the western world to achieve this.
To put such events into one thread diminishes isreals importance specially when the US sends 1000 Ferrari Italia's worth of cars there every month.
Theres about 800-900 in this picture.
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07-02-2017, 01:06 AM #5
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In, hopefully, for insights from people in the region or otherwise know their ****.
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07-04-2017, 05:29 AM #9
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Israel: modern western society which uses their money to advance technology, creates a better society with top class education, and has world-leading social programs including one of the biggest LBGT parades in the world.
Palestinians: dated Islamic society which uses their money to build rockets and spread hate of the infidel, no modern education, no social acceptance, executes gays and women who do not follow their sharia laws. lol at people who think they are any different than the extremist Arab Muslims in other parts of the Middle East.Never neg first but always neg back crew
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07-18-2017, 01:02 PM #15
Release the Trolls
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/07/i...f-shin-bet-bds
With the mobile application and online platform Act.IL, Israel aims to recruit a mob of slacktivists and trolls to join their war against the most insidious forms of violence: pro-Palestinian tweets and ******** posts.
Users of the app are presented with quick daily missions that they complete for points, earning their way up the leaderboards. Missions include “liking” and commenting on specific ******** posts, retweeting pro-Israel accounts, and signing petitions. It provides users with suggested comments that they can copy-and-paste to spam discussion boards, and satirical videos and cartoons that are shareable (if cringeworthy).
In this way, the app identifies and directs users en masse to engage in propaganda online, both affirming pro-Israel sentiment and “revealing” the supposedly terrorist character of BDS. “Inciting” content is identified with the help of the Israeli Defense Forces and the Shin Bet, revealing the close collaboration with Israel’s military and security forces, but users can also suggest specific posts to be targeted.
With this technology, Israel is given the power to actively manage online discourse, taking direct command of its army of volunteer internet warriors and deploying them wherever is seen fit. It is Israel’s friends, however — a diverse network of non-state actors willing to collaborate to advance the state’s goals — who make this possible.
Unfortunately for Israel, Palestinians are more than capable at sharing their own stories on social media — stories of occupation, of displacement, of apartheid. This was best demonstrated during Operation Protective Edge in 2014; although Israel tried to justify its assault on the people of Gaza in terms of proportionality and self-defense, social media allowed Palestinians to circumvent the gatekeepers of traditional media, broadcasting the horror of the attack to mobile phones everywhere.
Ironically, Israel’s incursions into Gaza since 2008-9 have done the most to push Palestinian narratives into public consciousness, as they have dramatically exposed the gap between Israel’s rhetoric of existential threat and its ability to punish entire populations. Just as South Africa’s massacres in Sharpeville in 1960 and Soweto in 1976 brought apartheid to TV screens across America, becoming flashpoints for the anti-apartheid movement, the events in Gaza have profoundly deepened public understanding and pro-Palestinian sentiment. This may be why a new study shows that “the more Americans learn about Israel, the less they like it.” No Iron Dome can intercept reality.And David said, "The Lord who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear, He will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine." And Saul said to David, "Go, and may the Lord be with you." (1 Samuel 17:37)
Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand. (1 Samuel 17:50)
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07-18-2017, 01:23 PM #16
Wow, this is almost as bad as Muslims strapping bombs on women and children to become suicide bombers.
Using the internet for political purposes to combat other people using the Internet for political purposes should be illegal!!!! I am sure UNESCO will pass a resolution condemning this.Israel in the Middle East is fighting on behalf of the free world, declared Mosab Hassan Yousef, the outspoken son of Hamas leader Hassan Yousef.
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07-18-2017, 01:34 PM #17
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07-18-2017, 02:53 PM #20
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07-18-2017, 03:12 PM #21
I'll contribute,
CLIFFS
- Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant
- Koran mentions Israel
- More Jewish refugees from Arab countries than Arab refugees from Israel
- Already 22 Arab countries.
- Kurdistan and Aramea should also be liberated
Only time that Region was officially referred to as "Palestine" it was full of Jews (Israelites). Jews and other Israelites are the indigenous people of the land of Israel, the same way Arameans are the indigenous people of Aram (most of Syria and part of South West Turkey) and Assyrians, the indigenous people of Assyria (located in North West Iraq and part of South Turkey).
Arabs by and large did not arrive in the Levant until roughly 632. Jordan currently sits on the majority of the Former British Mandate. If you want another Arab state then you can argue for that. So long as you understand that you are arguing for the 23rd Arab country and the 2nd Palestinian country at the expense of the one Jewish country. Additionally there were more Jewish refugees from Arab countries than Arab refugees from Israel and these communities make up the majority of the Israeli population.
"It is from the term "Philistines" that the name "Palestinians" has been taken. Actually, the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians have something in common: both are invaders from other lands That is precisely the meaning of their name, that is not an ethnic denomination but an adjective applied to them: Peleshet, from the verb "pelesh", "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". The Philistines were a confederation of non-Semitic peoples coming from Crete, the Aegean Islands and Asia Minor, also known as "Sea Peoples". The main tribes were Shekelesh, Shardana, Tsikel or Thekker, Akhaiusha or Ekwesh, Danauna or Denyen, Masa or Meshuesh, Uashesh, Teresh or Tursha, Keshesh or Karkisha, Lukka or Rukka, and Labu. The original homeland of the group that ruled the Philistine federation, namely the "Pelesati", was the island of Crete. When the Minoic civilization collapsed, also the Minoic culture disappeared from Crete, as invaders from Greece took control of the island. These ancient Cretans arrived in Southern Canaan and were known as "Peleshtim" by Hebrews and Canaanites"
-Jews are an Israelite tribe and the most ancient record attesting their existence dates back to 1200 BCE. It was found in Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
-The existence of the Israelite nation is also attested in ancient non-Israelite sources, notably the Mesha Stele and the Tel Dan Stele.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele
The above sources also reveal the name of Israelite kings and historical events described in the Torah, thereby supporting to a certain extent the biblical narratives relating to the period between 1000 BCE and 750 BCE.
-Other archaeological evidence supporting Jewish/Israelite History in the land of Israel can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0th_century_BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...9th_century_BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...8th_century_BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...7th_century_BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...6th_century_BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...5th_century_BC
-Jews and other Israelites have fought for the independence of Israel until 628 CE and finally restored it in 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...80%93Roman_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tantius_Gallus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritan_Revolts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...inst_Heraclius
-Jewish immigration from Israel to Europe in Ancient times is also recorded in ancient sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Christian_Rome
-In regard to Mizrahi Jewish communities in North Africa and their genetic origins, check:
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/34/13865.full.pdf
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8751EI20120806
-Jewish immigration from the Israel to North Africa and form North Africa to Iberia (where the Sephardic Jewish community was originated) is also attested in Arab sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephar...#Early_history
-In regard to the genetic origins of Ashkenazi Jews, anyone can check the genetic studies conducted so far pointing to their mixed European and Levantine origins.
http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2...riginate-italy
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/sc...jews.html?_r=0
"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough".
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The Qu'ran supports Israels right to exist.
"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."
"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."
[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]
"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
“The Arab population shows a remarkable increase ….. partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the [Jewish] National Home..” (The Peel Commission Report - 1937)
British PM Winston Churchill said in 1939: “.. far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country [Palestine]..”
Joan Peters calculated that in 1882, just the non-nomadic, settled Muslims in Palestine numbered 141,000. Among them, those that resided in Palestine before the 1831 Egyptian invasion numbered 75 percent, or 105,700 (FTI page 197). By 2015, descendants of these 105,700 persons can trace their linage in Palestine for almost 200 years. Therefore, one might consider them to be the indigenous residents. The date 1831 is important, because this was the beginning of the war with Arab Egypt, during which many thousands of Arabs settled in Palestine and changed its demographics.
Are Jews indigenous to Palestine? The ancient Jewish connection to Palestine is confirmed in the Jewish Bible, the Christian Gospels and the Koran, as well as by countless Jewish antiquities and copious scholarly research. Genetic studies show that today’s Jews—whether the Diaspora cast them to Europe, North America, Africa or other parts of the Middle East—are related genealogically to Jews of Biblical times. Jews also have a distinct language, culture and religion that are linked inextricably to Palestine. Indeed, for thousands of years Jewish liturgy has expressed the yearning of Jews to return to the land of Israel: “Next year in Jerusalem” is uttered by every observant Jew at Passover, and Jerusalem itself is a major character in the Torah, cited more than 600 times. Finally, of course, like Native Americans, Jews were dispossessed of their ancient lands— by the Romans, Christian Crusaders, Muslims, Babylonians and Ottomans. Surely just because Jews were deprived of their aboriginal lands doesn’t mean they have no claim to them. Rather than colonialism, of which Israel is accused by anti-Zionists, the Jews’ return to Palestine actually reflects an indigenous people’s self-determination to create a state on the site of its ancestral kingdom. There’s no doubt that Jews are the legitimate indigenous people of Palestine. That’s not, however, to deny Palestinian hopes for a sovereign state. In fact, Israel has many times offered to support such a state, if only Palestinians would abandon their jihad against Israel’s legitimacy and accept the right of the Jewish people to their own state.
When it comes to explaining their History or position I have never seen anyone as bad at it as modern day Israelis. This is part of the problem.
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07-18-2017, 03:20 PM #22
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07-18-2017, 03:36 PM #23And David said, "The Lord who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear, He will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine." And Saul said to David, "Go, and may the Lord be with you." (1 Samuel 17:37)
Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand. (1 Samuel 17:50)
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07-18-2017, 04:52 PM #24
So a day or two ago, two palestinians went into al Aqsa mosque, where there are no Jews, and shot Israeli police. Unfortunately for them, those Israeli police were Arab Druze, not Jews. Now Fatah is calling for a Day of Rage to protest that the police put up metal detectors, to prevent more Palestinians from killing other Palestinians unnecessarily. HAHA? #middleeastlogic
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Sitawe joined the Border Police as part of his mandatory national service. He joined the Israel Police in 2012 and had served in the unit responsible for securing the Temple Mount ever since. He leaves behind a wife, Irin, a three-week-old son, his parents and three brothers.
Shnaan joined the police directly after high school. He decided to stay on the police force seven months ago, signing on as a career officer. He was the youngest son of a former Labor Party Knesset member, Shachiv Shnaan. His engagement party to his girlfriend was to be held next week.
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07-18-2017, 05:32 PM #25
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07-18-2017, 08:12 PM #27
Trying to figure out why every non Muslim is called a revert. Many people don't think that fitra = Muslim.
Why not include Muslim in the sentence? Is that exclusion enough to assume that the statement means everyone is born Muslim?
Others say the word simply means human instinct or human nature.Disagree with a Marxist and you will be targeted as part of the problem.
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07-19-2017, 02:03 AM #28
You are incorrect. Modern Lebanese / Jordanians and Syrians have been recently proven to have connections to ancient people in the region such as Phoenicians and the caananites, and even the ancient egyptian regime.
This is also stated in every scripture that these LEVANT lands belonged to these people making them indigenous.
I do not want to dwelve into the palestinian/ israeli conflict, because I don't give a **** about Palestine tbh, but when you say LEVANT, you mean countries like Lebanon Jordan Syria and Iraq.
But yes, undeniably, jews do have ancestry in Israel. That is a fact. It is a semitic land after all.
It's just you considering everyone in the region of gulf arab descendants which is, incorrect again and is a fabricated opinion.
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07-19-2017, 02:28 AM #29
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07-19-2017, 06:52 AM #30
There is zero chance any of the phony Muslims/Arabs on this board like Trance/Bigkahoona will respond to this post because it blows their BS propaganda out of the water. They simply don't care about life the way the rest of us do. To them two dead druze don't matter. It's pretty sickening.
Israel in the Middle East is fighting on behalf of the free world, declared Mosab Hassan Yousef, the outspoken son of Hamas leader Hassan Yousef.
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