Harriet Tubman is the favorite to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill.

[Bushmaster]

This discussion makes me want to go and watch DaJango Unchained again..

[NumeroOnce]

It does get kind of old seeing old, dead, likely racist white males on the currency but who cares really? Are people going to boycott $20 bills if Andrew Jackson gets removed? Perhaps some of these people already on bills wouldn't appreciate being associated with currency as their legacy. How about something non-controversial yet still patriotic, like scenes of national landmarks instead?

[BFast55]

Meh, I kind of like old dead white guys on my currency.

[Dave22reborn]

I'm sure had you been alive back in the day you would've been a fugitive slave hunter instead of a cop, speaking out against blacks leaving their masters and posting on the R&P how Harriet Tubman was a threat to society

But, but how did she succeed in life without all of those handouts? I mean, here she was, an actual former slave, and she became successful?

[NumeroOnce]

But, but how did she succeed in life without all of those handouts? I mean, here she was, an actual former slave, and she became successful?

What do handouts have to do with... Oh, I see, she was black and a majority of people in poverty today are black, so they must be comparable. And of course, in your world, all black people are whining for handouts while in reality its a minority of black AND white people asking for handouts. Harriet Tubman was an extraordinary human being, willing to risk her life to fight the system you likely would've defended had you been alive at the time.

[Dave22reborn]

What do handouts have to do with... Oh, I see, she was black and a majority of people in poverty today are black, so they must be comparable. And of course, in your world, all black people are whining for handouts while in reality its a minority of black AND white people asking for handouts. Harriet Tubman was an extraordinary human being, willing to risk her life to fight the system you likely would've defended had you been alive at the time.

You're the one blaming Jim Crowe laws and slavery for their lot in life, and how reperations might fix the problem, and even the playing field. Here is someone who was an actual former slave, and according to you, she shouldn't be a success. As for a minority of them being on welfare, it's like 40% so I guess you can call that a minority.

[Bushmaster]

It does get kind of old seeing old, dead, likely racist white males on the currency but who cares really? Are people going to boycott $20 bills if Andrew Jackson gets removed? Perhaps some of these people already on bills wouldn't appreciate being associated with currency as their legacy. How about something non-controversial yet still patriotic, like scenes of national landmarks instead?

Sounds like you do.

[nutsy54]

It does get kind of old seeing old, dead, likely racist white males on the currency but who cares really?

Just like rocker.... defining everyone else by their skin color, then projecting your own racism onto them.

What a sad way to live your life.

[ArmUndKrank]

lol will never happen

[ElrondHubbard]

Meh, I kind of like old dead white guys on my currency.

I don't, it leaves an odor. I like baking soda on my currency. Keeps it clean.

[Streetbull]

Why would the lady on the syrup bottle be on the 20?


Anyway only presidents should be on it, take Franklin off.

At first it was Lady Liberty.

Then they began taking gold out of the money in the 1830's.

They put pictures of easily recognizable men on the pieces of paper.

Con men gonna con.

[NumeroOnce]

Just like rocker.... defining everyone else by their skin color, then projecting your own racism onto them.

What a sad way to live your life.

When Washington was twelve years old, he inherited ten slaves; by the time of his death, 316 slaves lived at Mount Vernon, including 123 owned by Washington, 40 leased from a neighbor, and an additional 153 "dower slaves."

Starting with nine slaves, Jackson held as many as 44 by 1820, and later held up to 150 slaves, making him among the planter elite. Throughout his lifetime Jackson may have owned as many as 300 slaves.

Andrew Jackson also led a genocide against tribes of native Americans. We've also established in the slavery thread that Abraham Lincoln believed slaves were inferior as well. That covers the $1, $5, and $20. (Ben Franklin was also a slave owner, but he spoke out against it in old age so I'll cut him some slack).

Is slave owning not demonstrating a belief that one's race is superior, or am I missing something here? Nutsy... your blind patriotism is in overdrive and you're in denial.

[JonathanRhimes]

As much as I'm convinced rocker1 is wrong about pretty much everything...Andrew Jackson would be my first choice to be removed from currency. Genocidal bastard.

[tk217]

I find that offensive.

Andrew Jackson was an amazing president.

Hariet Tubman does not compare.

P.S. I am linked to a Native American Tribe.

The reality is Native Americans were "another country" in that era and were being conquered. No different than when the Greeks conquered Europe and Middle East.

[tk217]

Andrew Jackson also led a genocide against tribes of native Americans. We've also established in the slavery thread that Abraham Lincoln believed slaves were inferior as well. That covers the $1, $5, and $20. (Ben Franklin was also a slave owner, but he spoke out against it in old age so I'll cut him some slack).

Is slave owning not demonstrating a belief that one's race is superior, or am I missing something here? Nutsy... your blind patriotism is in overdrive and you're in denial.

Then Washington, Jefferson, Grant, and Madison should be removed from our currency too.

[tk217]

Andrew Jackson, like the US presidents before him were opposed to those who control the US/World money supply. For them to put his face on one of the most popular bills of currency in the world was a slap in the face to his legacy.

His campaign slogan was 'Kill the Bank' (which is now under the guise of "Federal" Reserve -- a privately owned corporation acting as a front for the greatest scheme ever known to the history of mankind.



That's how vindictive they are, if you oppose them they will ruin you.
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in front of the entire world

Yes he didn't want a Fed - that does not mean he anti currency or anti treasury. Your logic is inane.

[NumeroOnce]

You're the one blaming Jim Crowe laws and slavery for their lot in life, and how reperations might fix the problem, and even the playing field. Here is someone who was an actual former slave, and according to you, she shouldn't be a success. As for a minority of them being on welfare, it's like 40% so I guess you can call that a minority.

I argued reparations would help strengthen the relationship between the US and the black community, not fix the problems or even the playing field.

Why would I say Harriet Tubman shouldn't be a success? She started off in the hole being enslaved and went on to do extraordinary (literally, extra-ordinary) things. So black people today, starting off in the hole, should all be expected to do extraordinary things and rise out of the hole that systematic racism helped put them in?

Total number of Americans on welfare 11,400,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps 41,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 10,200,000
Percent of the US population on welfare 4.1 %

Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

For almost every black person out there on welfare, there is a white person on welfare. The difference is, slavery and especially Jim Crow, and especially in the south, put African-Americans at a cyclical disadvantage.

Then Washington, Jefferson, Grant, and Madison should be removed from our currency too.

That argument can be made, but I think the point of the group in the OP is to add diversity, not necessarily to remove anybody. It seems logical that the person they choose to remove first is the most racist/controversial.

[Dave22reborn]

That argument can be made, but I think the point of the group in the OP is to add diversity, not necessarily to remove anybody. It seems logical that the person they choose to remove first is the most racist/controversial.

You're going to honestly say that you look at the person on your money?

[repsDTGdaily]

You're going to honestly say that you look at the person on your money?

i usually play games on my phone while launching chocolate tor****es into my toilet. Some people may stare at money. Who are we to judge?

lol

[NumeroOnce]

You're going to honestly say that you look at the person on your money?

No, but I see why the arguments to change who appears on the bills can be made.

[Forty0zFreedom]

Its funny how 5-10 years ago I might have been for this, but now that its more than likely introduced by progressives for radical political correctness reasons, I naturally don't like it.

[RIKTER]

lol will never happen

I disagree. Im willing to bet, in my lifetime, most of all our currency, even mount rushmore, will be replaced to reflect the new leftist idols. Images/monuments of "slave owners" will not be tolerated/accepted in any form in America.

[Epilerik]

I personally don't have a problem with this. Of all the women they put up to vote, Harriet Tubman was by far and away the most deserving.

I don't think I'd get rid of Andrew Jackson though.

These are all better options to be replaced by Tubman:

Alexander Hamilton on the $10

Ulysses S. Grant on the $50

William McKinley on the $500

Salmon P. Chase on the $10,000

Woodrow Wilson on the $100,000

[Stizzel]

Why would they put a criminal on the money?

[Bushmaster]

Why would I say Harriet Tubman shouldn't be a success? She started off in the hole being enslaved and went on to do extraordinary (literally, extra-ordinary) things. So black people today, starting off in the hole, should all be expected to do extraordinary things and rise out of the hole that systematic racism helped put them in?

Why not?

For almost every black person out there on welfare, there is a white person on welfare. The difference is, slavery and especially Jim Crow, and especially in the south, put African-Americans at a cyclical disadvantage.[/b]

Today's date: May 14th, 2015

..And people still think slavery is a valid excuse for anything. Amazing.. What are you all now, seven generations removed from slavery? Eight or more? That train is almost out of stem bro. Harriet Tubman didn't let it hold her back from anything and she was an actual fuking slave.

[Dave22reborn]

Why not?



Today's date: May 14th, 2015

..And people still think slavery is a valid excuse for anything. Amazing.. What are you all now, seven generations removed from slavery? Eight or more? That train is almost out of stem bro. Harriet Tubman didn't let it hold her back from anything and she was an actual fuking slave.

He's actually comparing slavery to what black people are experiencing today in the ghetto?

[NumeroOnce]

Why not?

Because in America, the alleged land of equal opportunity, nobody should have to start off at a deficit in the first place. If America rewrote it's documents to say "Sorry, some people have to start off at a disadvantage," at least America wouldn't be hypocritical.

Today's date: May 14th, 2015

..And people still think slavery is a valid excuse for anything. Amazing.. What are you all now, seven generations removed from slavery? Eight or more? That train is almost out of stem bro. Harriet Tubman didn't let it hold her back from anything and she was an actual fuking slave.

"You all"... lol. How are you so confident what race I am? Nobody ever seems to make a connection with the language of my username...

Slavery led to Jim Crow, which ended officially in 1965, but did not end Jim Crow attitudes. Many people are alive from the Jim Crow generation, and I'm sure many of their attitudes passed onto their children. And like I said before, this is more of a problem in the south. I personally think the south as a whole drags down the more progressive parts of the nation, but that's a different story.

I'll also point out that you're criticizing a minority group of a minority group asking for handouts, when statistically speaking there are just as many white people on welfare asking for handouts too, without a disadvantageous history behind them.

I'm not sure why a WM from South Carolina wants to discuss the current state of the black community in a thread about Harriet Tubman's actions during slavery and whether this qualifies her for a place on our currency, so I'm going to bow out of this argument.

[Bushmaster]

He's actually comparing slavery to what black people are experiencing today in the ghetto?

That's what it sounds like..

You know what's funny though? Can you imagine what would happen if you or I tried to use something that happened to our ancestors in 1847 or whenever as an excuse for something? We'd be laughed out of town in a heartbeat.

[Bushmaster]

Because in America, the alleged land of equal opportunity, nobody should have to start off at a deficit in the first place. If America rewrote it's documents to say "Sorry, some people have to start off at a disadvantage," at least America wouldn't be hypocritical.

I absolutely agree.. *I* started out in a deficit myself, so you're not telling me shiit about it. It is what it is though, and I rose above it. I didn't have that slavery crutch to lean on either.

"You all"... lol. How are you so confident what race I am? Nobody ever seems to make a connection with the language of my username...

I didn't say shiit about your race. I'm talking about whoever tries to use shiit from 150 years ago as an excuse for anything in the 21st century. And yes, I'd say the same thing to some dumbass white hipster as well.

I'm not sure why a WM from South Carolina wants to discuss the current state of the black community in a thread about Harriet Tubman's actions during slavery and whether this qualifies her for a place on our currency, so I'm going to bow out of this argument.

Tell me something... if they put her on the $20 bill, is it still going to be worth $20? If so then I could give two fux if you put her picture on it. Put Aunt Jemimah or Richard Pryor on it for all I care.

[Epilerik]

Why would they put a criminal on the money?

I do find it ironic how conservatives always go on about respecting the law, even if it's unjust, but then they glamorize the founding fathers, abolishionists, MLK Jr, Jesus, etc.