HOLY CHIT that UPS truck chase

[dhawkeye1980]

Which is it?

I dont see what you fail to grasp here

There were 20+ officers that shot, each officer carries 15+ in each mag. I can mag dump 2 mags in probably 5-10 seconds

You guys are really fukking stupid

[dhawkeye1980]

lmaoooo " Cops were not using Civilians for protection, they were just hiding behind their cars while the civilians were driving them"

just take this L and accept not only were those cops pussies, but they are trigger happy.

You can #BlueLivesMatter my ass

Cops were engaged in a deadly threat, fight or flight moment and training kicks in which is getting to cover and engaging the immediate threat. They were not actively trying to use the civillians for cover. People like you have no clue what this entails

[iHateDeadlifts]

Huh thats weird i didnt see any cops holding people in front of them as shields. I saw them running to engage suspects shooting at them.

So not one ounce of blame is on the shooters to you? Just the cops? Neat

holy chit, the amount of mental gymnastics you do to defend cops would get you the Gold medal against the prepubescent Chinese women in every event at the Olympics.

[IAMBEE]

Complete disregard for human life all around.

- Using innocent bystander's cars as cover (Who knows if there's children in the cars?)

What an absolute ****ing **** show

Thats what gets me, how come those cops weren't yanking those people out of their cars instead of hiding behind them using the pedestrians in the cars as human shields.

[dhawkeye1980]

It was a bad time to engage dude.

No it wasnt at all but again what other choice did they have? The suspects were actively shooting at cops and had been the whole time. And no tracking is not an option in this scenario

[fratharder]

cops weren't using civilians for cover, they were just using the engine blocks while the civilians were still inside the car. Oh and the civilian who tried to drive away? cops were just hiding behind his engine block as moving screen.

You guys need to stop with this “engine block” argument. Do you think the criminals are taking aim at only the front of the car where the cop is? No, they would shoot blindly in the direction of the officer which includes the entire car with civilians inside. The common sense fact is that the cops had a lapse of judgement by using these occupied vehicles as shields.


Edit - I realized you’re probably being sarcastic... you got me

[dhawkeye1980]

Thats what gets me, how come those cops weren't yanking those people out of their cars instead of hiding behind them using the pedestrians in the cars as human shields.

Google tunnel vision and fight or flight and how it relates to police using deadly force. Then maybe you will understand. Cops probably didnt even realize where they were. Training kicked in and all they focused on whlas the shooters and ending the treat. Thats how they are trained and thats a natural human reaction. Ive been in a shooting and i didnt remember half of what happened after

[bov188]

Huh thats weird i didnt see any cops holding people in front of them as shields. I saw them running to engage suspects shooting at them.

So not one ounce of blame is on the shooters to you? Just the cops? Neat

[dhawkeye1980]

Still dont see any cops holding anyone as shields...

[Jaydawg08]

Still dont see any cops holding anyone as shields...

Yo ******* were you fired from the force previously

[fishnbrah]

Weren't you previously fired from the force?

he also said he pulled his gun hundreds of times

[casiNo.]

Google tunnel vision and fight or flight and how it relates to police using deadly force. Then maybe you will understand. Cops probably didnt even realize where they were. Training kicked in and all they focused on whlas the shooters and ending the treat. Thats how they are trained and thats a natural human reaction. Ive been in a shooting and i didnt remember half of what happened after

there was no training in that video tho,

it should have been handled like

[fishnbrah]

Still dont see any cops holding anyone as shields...

wow.

[rectifryer]

My favorite part was when the cops took hostages.

[dhawkeye1980]

Yo ******* were you fired from the force previously

Yo ******* my badge and id say RETIRED. You cant get that if you are fired nor if you resign in loeu of misconduct. I retired as a sergeant after 10 years of service. Maybe stop being so gullible and believe everything you read on here especially with all the anti cop rhetoric

[gluon]

No it wasnt at all but again what other choice did they have? The suspects were actively shooting at cops and had been the whole time. And no tracking is not an option in this scenario

ill give you that it was a chitty situation, but to claim they weren't using bystanders for cover just takes any validity out of your argument. as absurd as someone saying "calm down i'm not lighting you on fire, i'm just lighting the clothes you are wearing"

[dhawkeye1980]

he also said he pulled his gun hundreds of times

I worked 10 years in one of the most dangerous areas of the country. I worked specialized units conducting high risk search warrants almost every night for years. If you dont think ive drawn my gun hundreds of times over that span you are proving unequivocally why you shouldnt be posting here

You are clearly blinded by your cop hatred.

[bov188]

Yo ******* were you fired from the force previously

Probably discharged for gross negligence and incompetence.

Most likely he was subpoenaed by a prosecutor and this is the kind of testimony he gave under oath.

[dhawkeye1980]

Probably discharged for gross negligence and incompetence.

Most likely he was subpoenaed by a prosecutor and this is the kind of testimony he gave under oath.

What a pathetic loser you are

[fishnbrah]

I worked 10 years in one of the most dangerous areas of the country. I worked specialized units conducting high risk search warrants almost every night for years. If you dont think ive drawn my gun hundreds of times over that span you are proving unequivocally why you shouldnt be posting here

You are clearly blinded by your cop hatred.

you are disingenuous.

[2RDEYE]

they need to be better equipped. idk much about combat equipment but isn't there like tear gas or sleep gas they could have used instead of using bullets around a mass of civillians

[CulturalDecay]

I'm usually a big supporter of the police - but this was beyond terrible.

You can't lay waste to a van with a hostage inside, while surrounded by civilians.....one of whom was killed, and I'm sure after the bullet is pulled from the civilian, it will be confirmed as police, along with the hostage.

I don't care how you slice it, that's a disaster, and unacceptable levels of recklessness and endangerment to the general population.

I don't think any of those officers had bad intensions, but they were not prepared for that situation, and that goes back to training. You can't mag dump with civilians everywhere and hostages......no criminal charges, but demotions for sure.

[dhawkeye1980]

you are disingenuous.

No im factual

[2RDEYE]

I'm usually a big supporter of the police - but this was beyond terrible.

You can't lay waste to a van with a hostage inside, while surrounded by civilians.....one of whom was killed, and I'm sure after the bullet is pulled from the civilian, it will be confirmed as police, along with the hostage.

I don't care how you slice it, that's a disaster, and unacceptable levels of recklessness and endangerment to the general population.

I don't think any of those officers had bad intensions, but they were not prepared for that situation, and that goes back to training. You can't mag dump with civilians everywhere and hostages......no criminal charges, but demotions for sure.

it should be criminal charges, i doubt the dead civilians were warned that there would be open fire beforehand

[dopamine72]

Perfect example of how things should have been handled that debunks anyone who would argue otherwise. Hawkeye is nothing more than a troll to me at this point.

[dhawkeye1980]

Perfect example of how things should have been handled that debunks anyone who would argue otherwise. Hawkeye is nothing more than a troll to me at this point.

Yes because every scenario is exactly the same... There was no hostage in that video and it doesnt say how long swat had to react or the events leading up to it. You cant take 1 success and apply it universally across the board

[alphagorilla]

This is where it all started, it was closed today and

And how dumb do you have to be to start chit in coral gables, a city that kicks virtually every bum off the streets and puts them in down town miami, I live there and it’s all up scale ppl as well as a strong police force paid by the city.

[casiNo.]

Yes because every scenario is exactly the same... There was no hostage in that video and it doesnt say how long swat had to react or the events leading up to it. You cant take 1 success and apply it universally across the board

in the main video they didn't show any regard for preservation of life of the hostage soo,

its miami dade, so they should have a swat team that can roll out as qrf. highway chases are common enough that there should be SOP's in place for how to handle them, opposed to the gongshow that was witnessed

[Jaydawg08]

in the main video they didn't show any regard for preservation of life of the hostage soo,

its miami dade, so they should have a swat team that can roll out as qrf. highway chases are common enough that there should be SOP's in place for how to handle them, opposed to the gongshow that was witnessed

Literally this. People don't understand.. THERE SOP'S FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, and I'd be willing to bet that what we saw was not anywhere near what was policy.

I work in a job that deals with lots of lives as well, and although true every emergency is different.. There STILL IS AN SOP IN PLACE for you to adhere to and base your judgements off that.

[dhawkeye1980]

in the main video they didn't show any regard for preservation of life of the hostage soo,

its miami dade, so they should have a swat team that can roll out as qrf. highway chases are common enough that there should be SOP's in place for how to handle them, opposed to the gongshow that was witnessed

No they didn't because they were forced to engage multiple active shooters using the hostage for cover and its tragic but its not like they could sit back and do nothing. The SOP is to engage in this situation