☣️🦠☣️🦠 Coronavirus (COVID-19) Information Thread 🦠☣️🦠☣️

[bov188]

Does anyone have a collection of the most robust scientific evidence that this is not a bioweapon?

The CT'ers are at it in the other thread and are simply not amenable to reason. Any contention of their pet theories and you're either a shill or "in on it" somehow. Wondering if we could just blast them with undeniable evidence, or if it's best to just leave them to their own devices.

The best way to deal with conspiracy theorists is to one up them. They have no idea what to do and they panic.

“The moon landing was a hoax!!!”
“Wait... you actually still believe in the moon?!”

[ANumber1]

I believe all the evidence is in favour of a natural virus and none at all in favour of it being engineered. Every time I say this I just get negged with accusations of being a shill or being paid by the CCP, and never hit with countervailing evidence.

There's a strong psychological tendency for people to refuse to believe things are out of their control. Obviously, people did it, because if nature did it, that would be unacceptably frightening. Nature is a happy place, and also, we can't punish it nor will it listen if we scream at it.

It's a bit like the low-key racist insistence on blaming colonialism for all the problems in the third world. Denying the agency of, say, black people in Africa or Islamic fundamentalists, who they're unwilling to morally confront, makes it a lot easier to stomach the world for certain personality types. White people, that they can handle, so it must be their fault.

I think the only true way to get an idea of how much covid is killing is comparing monthly averages vs this month
Much like The NY Times article on how italy has 5x the normal amount of deaths for march

I don't think Italy as a whole has 5x the deaths per month. The provinces which were already out-of-control before the lockdown, however, had several times their normal death rates. It's fair to say the lockdowns prevented that from becoming a nationwide situation.

[Farley1324]

Actually had a conversation with someone yesterday who essentially said virus is either fake or 100% blown out of proportion because "I mean, I don't know a single person who has it. Do you even know anyone who has it?!"

Only 4 family members with it I know of crew

There's a strong psychological tendency for people to refuse to believe things are out of their control. Obviously, people did it, because if nature did it, that would be unacceptably frightening. Nature is a happy place, and also, we can't punish it nor will it listen if we scream at it.

People in general don't realize how common zoonosis is.

People also don't like to believe things out of their control, or scary...and don't realize exactly how mild this virus really is compared to, well, a hell of a lot of other contagious diseases (some viruses, some not). It could have been something much worse...maybe next time it will be...even (we got lucky with SARS for example, maybe next one will be a CFR of 10 like it is...or it'll be a filovirus, or hendra, or something new and crazy we cannot conceive)

[5x10]

why do you keep misrepresenting this as fact? Italy as a country averages around 50-60k deaths a month.

if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
We could do the same here, specifically for NY

[Farley1324]

if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
We could do the same here, specifically for NY

That ^

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

People also don't like to believe things out of their control, or scary...and don't realize exactly how mild this virus really is compared to, well, a hell of a lot of other contagious diseases (some viruses, some not). It could have been something much worse...maybe next time it will be...even (we got lucky with SARS for example, maybe next one will be a CFR of 10 like it is...or it'll be a filovirus, or hendra, or something new and crazy we cannot conceive)

I agree with you here big time. I really hope this was a wake up call to the world at just how unprepared we are for kind of thing. This is a deadly virus for many, but like you said, imagine if SARS or something worse was able to spread like this....

[VoxExMachina]

The government both state and federal botched this and it's scary to see just how unprepared we are.

I love how a bunch of armchair potatoes are sitting around with 20/20 hindsight saying the government should have done this or that, while they in turn were woefully unprepared and had no spare food, masks, toilet paper, or essential supplies going into this. Not to mention no emergency fund to pay their rent and now want handouts.

I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.

[Johnez]

if I remember correctly , it wasn’t the whole nation, just a region
We could do the same here, specifically for NY

Referring to this:

Recently posted re:Italy in the WSJ:



Essentially we haven't gotten accurate counts on deaths in Italy yet, by thousands they say:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-...ed-11585767179

[badreligion]

Yes, I think it was a natural mutation. FWIW I don't at all attribute all evolutionary novelty merely to random mutations and natural selection. Those are, of course, aspects of evolution but far from the complete story of evolutionary biology in the 21st century.

I believe all the evidence is in favour of a natural virus and none at all in favour of it being engineered. Every time I say this I just get negged with accusations of being a shill or being paid by the CCP, and never hit with countervailing evidence.


That convinces me I'm simply not dealing with rational or evidence-minded people, rather, people who are excited by the thought of being red-pilled or woke despite it just not being the case this time. Takeaway is this: Reverence for mother nature is in order, not for vague and ludicrous CT's that only perpetuate themselves with ad hoc rescues of endless farcical and unfalsifiable claims.

I have to disagree with you, I feel it was engineered. I mean in Wuhan where this first started there is a level 4 lab that is equipped to deal with very dangerous viruses as well as talk of them mixing SARS with HIV or something along those lines so I don't think it's any coincidence. Plus it's very obvious that we aren't being told the whole truth by the government, there are a lot of things that just don't add up about this.

Just out of curiosity what are some of the CTs you have heard in regards to this being a bioweapon?

[5x10]

Referring to this:

thank you sir

Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for

I have to disagree with you, I feel it was engineered. I mean in Wuhan where this first started there is a level 4 lab that is equipped to deal with very dangerous viruses as well as talk of them mixing SARS with HIV or something along those lines so I don't think it's any coincidence. Plus it's very obvious that we aren't being told the whole truth by the government, there are a lot of things that just don't add up about this.

Just out of curiosity what are some of the CTs you have heard in regards to this being a bioweapon?

I originally thought it was man made and came from the lab
Then an expert of joe rogan said it was too well designed to be done by a man, nature is better

Now there’s a new theory that the scientist in the lab, who is now dead, extracted this virus from a bat colony 800 miles away from the lab, brought it back to experiment, and accident released it (there’s a YouTube video on it)

Idk, just wished China alerted the world and shut down travel immediately

[Farley1324]

thank you sir

Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for

That kind of state. Month of Feb, month of March, month of April...for 2020...vs that month last year...and the IDK say average for that month the last three years...does seem like one really good data point to pin on the board somewhere. Big picture. No nuance or deciding what an "official" cause is, no "but did they test?" or "would they have anyway?" ad nausea. Just...here's the change for this year. I'd like to see a lot of that month-comparison as time goes by, and looking back in hindsight in a few months and years

[Johnez]

I love how a bunch of armchair potatoes are sitting around with 20/20 hindsight saying the government should have done this or that, while they in turn were woefully unprepared and had no spare food, masks, toilet paper, or essential supplies going into this. Not to mention no emergency fund to pay their rent and now want handouts.

I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.

The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.

[badreligion]

thank you sir

Just seems to be a lot of inconsistencies in how one determines a covid death due to pre-existing conditions

I read a report shows heart attack deaths have plummeted as they have been classified as covid deaths, but covid has also shown to cause heart issues
Then you can argue that the quarantine causes more suicides, stress related deaths, maybe offset due to the lack of car accident deaths?

I just can’t think of a better way to determine what covid is responsible for

I originally thought it was man made and came from the lab
Then an expert of joe rogan said it was too well designed to be done by a man, nature is better

Now there’s a new theory that the scientist in the lab, who is now dead, extracted this virus from a bat colony 800 miles away from the lab, brought it back to experiment, and accident released it (there’s a YouTube video on it)

Idk, just wished China alerted the world and shut down travel immediately

See I feel the opposite, It seems like this virus is far too specific and perfect to just be a natural mutation but the theory about the scientist who supposedly extracted it from a bat colony and brought it back to experiment on is very possible.

[5x10]

Rumor is, covid is blowing up in Guangzhou City
Similar size to Wuhan, 13 million people (Wuhan 11, NY 8.5)
The metro area has 56 million


https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/st...998448643?s=21

[Farley1324]

The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.

Vox is not referring to that group of people so much as the majority/everybody else.

He's also a fan of the group of people who already had those things before we started seeing signs of this in January.

You're right that it's doomed to failure to trust the gubmint, big business, and MSM to accurately inform. That's how you get stupid **** like "it's going away" or "flu kills __ and corona only killed 30 think about that" or "masks don't help don't wear them". Unfortunately most people suck at the teet of the gubmint and MSM so...when sht gets real all they can do is look to that same gubmint and be like...bail me out daddy I'm helpless I'm 12 what's going on?

See I feel the opposite

You are embarrassing the human species with your feels. Please stop.

[VoxExMachina]

The armchair potatoes in this thread (but mostly the OG thread) were wholly prepared, and many many posters were laughed at. Many of us took the initiative and got masks that we can no longer use now that we're available for fukking WEEKS. I have 30 fukking masks right now and could literally have bought hundreds. Why couldn't they? Now they ask for donations and being caught with their pants down are diverting shipments to other countries. Pa-fukkomg-thetic. Our president meanwhile told us we'd go from 15 cases to zero-poof like a miracle! Our social media oligopoly clamped down on people sharing news articles-in their fukking private messages. We were given a steady stream of chit, absolute CHIT tier information that told us it was all gonna be fine. Many knew different. Many here acted on it. Some sold stocks, bought guns and ammo, and filled freezers. But go on with your ignorance. Tell us how the gov had our backs and how the same gov that allowed the good jobs of our nation to be exported out and legions of immigrants in to fuk the bottom is NOT responsible for nearly FORTY years of wage stagnation-in fact depression, yes wages actually have dropped b/w '73 and '19. The only party culpable in this entire fukking mess is the government, who's only job is to protect the people. They have fukking failed. Monumentally.

Sounds like a lot of screaming at the sky to me.

You prepare as an individual, and make your own decisions. Anyone who relies on the government to protect them from "bad things" made a life mistake.

Vox is not referring to that group of people so much as the majority/everybody else.

He's also a fan of the group of people who already had those things before we started seeing signs of this in January.

I told people on here and real life back in Jan / Feb. that this would be different and make sure to be prepared. Also warned people to watch what governments DO, not what they say. Actions speak louder than words, and those in the know are always going to do a bread-and-circuses routine for the masses while they frantically try to get their sh!t together in the background.

It's sadly funny to me that so many just sat around waiting for someone else to tell them what was going on or what to do about it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[TrinnieBuu]

Not letting me quote Farley for some reason.

That said... after this one really there should be no excuses the next time something like this comes around (because it will) for governments to have a better response plan.

Outside of inconsistency from different agencies from Feb to mid March, and the CDC botching their tests (out of good intentions, they wanted to make the test better, just failed in practice), not sure anyone out there knew 1-2 years in advance that something could spread this quickly and kill this many even with an almost full lockdown.

[ANumber1]

I'm no fan of any government in general, but please. You can't fully prepare for the plague, Yellowstone super volcano eruption, meteor strikes, war, an EMP, the poles reversing, alien invasion, or whatever. But be assured if any of those happened, someone would be wondering why we didn't have every single contingency figured out.

Eh, can't go with you on this. This isn't a super volcano or a meteor strike.

The warnings about this pandemic have been circulating for 10-15 years. There have been White House wargames for it, including as part of the transition handoff from the Obama administration to the Trump administration. Navarro was warning internally way back in January and there were intelligence briefings about China concealing the severity of the situation.

This was buried out of political convenience and wishful thinking, not because it was impractical to plan for. Our public health infrastructure has been crumbling across multiple administrations at all levels for many years, and it's a bipartisan failure that permeates all levels of government, but it is a failure.

It's 100% not Trump's fault that he inherited a broken system, but the time to start doing what could be done to address it came and went a month earlier. Public health is a national security issue.

Rumor is, covid is blowing up in Guangzhou City
Similar size to Wuhan, 13 million people (Wuhan 11, NY 8.5)
The metro area has 56 million
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/st...998448643?s=21

Apparently, Guangzhou is getting a little hysterical about foreigners because five imported cases were detected among Nigerians. This is interesting considering Nigeria is barely reporting any cases.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1184887.shtml
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-04...101539641.html

Makes me wonder if Lagos is blowing up and we just don't know it yet because Nigeria.

[5x10]

I’m in the “hard to blame the government” for a once in a century pandemic crowd
I don’t think any government on earth is prepared for this other than SK. And I think of a ton of their success has to do with dealing with SARS and having compliant citizens

[Farley1324]

Try not starting the post with a link or a quote, start with text

Not letting me quote Farley for some reason.

That said... after this one really there should be no excuses the next time something like this comes around (because it will) for governments to have a better response plan.

Outside of insistency from different agencies from Feb to mid March, and the CDC botching their tests (out of good intentions, they wanted to make the test better, just failed in practice), not sure anyone out there knew 1-2 years in advance that something could spread this quickly and kill this many even with an almost full lockdown.

Many knew. This virus is fairly tame, actually. It's not killing that many people. We're looking at what maybe 3,000 a day at peak in a nation of 3 million. That's small potatoes. We're talking about a CFR of maybe 0.5-1%...maybe 5-10x deadlier than seasonal influenza. That's...small potatoes.

It very easily could have been, or later could be, something that spreads even easier and is ten times more deadly. Very easily.

We as a species have a very very nasty history of death and disease from contagions. I mean...plague has literally gone through continents killing 1/3 to 1/2 of the entire population. Multiple times. Measles, smallpox (holy **** smallpox basically killed a hemisphere), 1918 flu, yellow fever, cholera, HIV...this one is nothing

[nestbrother]

It is becoming more and more apparent that being a fat fuk is big predictor for getting floored by this virus

[JUGGERNAUT1333]

I’m in the “hard to blame the government” for a once in a century pandemic crowd
I don’t think any government on earth is prepared for this other than SK. And I think of a ton of their success has to do with dealing with SARS and having compliant citizens

Yeah I get your point. Personally, I was not blaming the government. I'm just pointing out the fact that the world is not not all prepared for this kind of thing and if something devastating like SARS gets loose, we are seriously fuked.

Hopefully lessons will be learned from this if it were to happen again.

[Farley1324]

I’m in the “hard to blame the government” for a once in a century pandemic crowd
I don’t think any government on earth is prepared for this other than SK. And I think of a ton of their success has to do with dealing with SARS and having compliant citizens

Yeah. But here is the thing.

The government's collective responses is partly to blame for why it became the pandemic that it did. China concealing the **** out of everything. The WHO being complicit with china due to their influence. Those were the biggest gov failures. But others too, our gov't telling people to ignore it basically should not have been happening when it was

Yes, the asian nations doing better actually learned from SARS. We did not. The lessons were there, we chose not to take them to heart.

SARS was averted because: It started in Hong Kong, not in China (HK was not controlled by the CCP, it had its own system) so reporting was open and honest immediately...symptoms showed before being contagious...there were tests available rapidly to do contact tracing and clamp down on spreaders/infected. And we got lucky.

None of those things apply to this one. Contagious before symptoms, started in a sht country with a sht government that tried to hide and misdirect everything, lack of tests, didn't get lucky

[R3L3NTL3SS]

It is becoming more and more apparent that being a fat fuk is big predictor for getting floored by this virus

I mean...common sense would tell you anyone who can't walk up a flight of sitars without breathing heavily is going to have a bad time by something that inhibits breathing. lol

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Anyone who wants to point a finger need not point it anywhere but the **** hole of China. More specifically, Chinese communist government.

[ANumber1]

Cuomo is up. We've apparently pegged a new death record by 100+ despite hospitalizations coming down, lagging indicator since deaths trail in a week or so behind the hospitalizations. This will continue to suck for a bit.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

WTF is this 5G, tracking people through chip with a vaccine...bull**** that I'm hearing people go on about??

[5x10]

Anyone who wants to point a finger need not point it anywhere but the **** hole of China. More specifically, Chinese communist government.

amen

[TrinnieBuu]

Try not starting the post with a link or a quote, start with text





Many knew. This virus is fairly tame, actually. It's not killing that many people. We're looking at what maybe 3,000 a day at peak in a nation of 3 million. That's small potatoes. We're talking about a CFR of maybe 0.5-1%...maybe 5-10x deadlier than seasonal influenza. That's...small potatoes.

It very easily could have been, or later could be, something that spreads even easier and is ten times more deadly. Very easily.

We as a species have a very very nasty history of death and disease from contagions. I mean...plague has literally gone through continents killing 1/3 to 1/2 of the entire population. Multiple times. Measles, smallpox (holy **** smallpox basically killed a hemisphere), 1918 flu, yellow fever, cholera, HIV...this one is nothing

I tried that already and it still didn’t work until I deleted your quote. Someone should fix bb.com.


Agree with you that there is plenty precedence. Every other outbreak had a slow start compared to this one though. Even with Spanish Flu, the first cases were in September to November 1917, was not until Feb to March 1918 that it starts circulating. Same with every other pandemics we had. Logically you WOULD anticipate a virus to spread very quickly now with globalization, but in the last century it hasn’t spread this quickly. I know now reports are saying it could have started in Nov. In terms of government response though the WHO was only notified Dec 31. CDC started health monitoring 3 major airports that have direct flights from Wuhan 2 weeks later (this event was my red flag for this being more than it seems). China at this point has not even admitted they know its human to human transmission.

For the future hopefully there’s a plan for accumulating ventilation support (doesn’t have to be ventilators because those require calibration at a frequency or they’re useless, maybe this will encourage someone to come up with ventilation equipment that won’t require regular maintenance while NOT in use). And outlines for each state and federal response in terms of “lockdown” (similar to NY outlines for what happens to do with bodies if we have a catastrophic event with many fatalities).

Outside of that.. idk how we will ever overcome the supply chain issue for “surge” demand. Especially medications and medical devices (ventilators). FDA is not an easy regulatory agency.

[nestbrother]

I mean...common sense would tell you anyone who can't walk up a flight of sitars without breathing heavily is going to have a bad time by something that inhibits breathing. lol

Im in the UK and all over the news people are saying ''but Boris Johnson is fit he plays tennis and cycles all the time''

he's obese.