Great point!Mine is paid for by work, my wife is self employed and her plan is $260/month but its tax deductible so we get a third of it back. She has excellent coverage and benefits for that as described in the post you quoted.
For my insurance my employer probably pays about the same amount.
I don't think the US needs this giant overhaul, we just need open market competition across states for insurance and we need to regulate pharm prices and the cost of some services. Regulate malpractice suits.
Almost ALL of the difference in expenses between the US and other countries are in senior citizens. And guess what, the US already runs healthcare for the elderly with medicare. What does that tell you?
It tells me that the US government would be a disaster running healthcare for everyone.
Something that is never talked about and should be. So, a huge portion of US healthcare expenses are outpatient and a huge portion of that is elderly. That means assisted living facilities, nursing homes, live in nurses, hospices, things like that. Its something like 30-35% of ALL healthcare spending. I don't know how common those things are in the UK or other places in Europe, I don't know if they are added in the same way when reporting healthcare per capita/etc....but if you look at the chart above, and you look at pharm prices....its a pretty FUKKING EASY CONCLUSION as to where we could drastically cut expenses in a couple key areas and bring us in line with the rest of the world. And it doesn't take a hair brained $50 trillion plan to do it.
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until america fixes its health problems stemming from people being lazy and not caring about their health universal health care will just be a waste of time and money. i have seen to many obese people that continue to gorge themselves on fast food and sugary drinks knowing that it is causing their obesity and health problems. seen to many people with diabetes from poor diet choices continue to eat like chit while injecting insulin because they dont want to change their bad habits. too many smokers coughing up a lung then puffing on their cigarette more while complaining about the cost of their recent doctor visit.
if everybody in america took active efforts to better their health we wouldnt need universal health care to begin with. so taxing me more to pay for their bad dietary/lifestyle habits while i try to live somewhat healthy is ridiculous and basically punishing those that do the right thing so you can reward others for their bad decisions.
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My OP was not alarmist. It is based on real data and experience.
I respect your point of view and you are very intelligent. I am sure the UK plan works for some and if it works for you, I am glad you are covered.
However, a similar healthcare like Medicare for All would not work in the US for reasons already mentioned.
Thank you for your point of view.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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The only factoid that "article" provides is:
This is, apparently, from a year 2005 study.
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So the first does match one of the latter three. One of the comments says a second one of the above latter three partially used the first also.
But you are also linking a bunch of comments from anonymous interwebbers on a blog, so that doesn't exactly stand up to scrutiny either.
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Yeah, this whole "everyone is bankrupt" and "$50,000 ambulance rides" are fringe cases. Or diabetics dying without insulin (I've never even heard this one). They're incredibly rare.
Most people have their insurance and the system works. It's obviously not perfect. If we could just get prices up front it'd solve almost every issue.
I also had to laugh at $300 consultant fee. That's like half a dozen co-pays. How is that an example of NHS working better?
Finally, I want to point out that "healthcare rankings" are bogus. It's because our poor do actually have bad healthcare. But for the middle and upper end, US healthcare is by far the best in the world. Which is why people come to the US for treatment.
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I'd rather you just provide another study that supports your claim that these are not accurate than link to a blogger site. I've never seen medical spending by age group except showing these types of results. If you could find something different that would be more valuable. I can show you a wordpress site with definitive proof that earth is flat or that bigfoot mated with a human to produce dog people.
Now obviously old people use more medical care also.
I also suspect that assisted living/nursing homes/home nurses may be more of a thing in the US than elsewhere in the world because our elderly are fat and diabetic and have crappy families that can't take care of them, and that type of care is a HUGE chunk of reported per capita spending in the US.Stern Crew
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The commentators rightly pointed out a couple significant problems with the graph and its source data.
1) The line for the US represents our public spending per age group. US Gubmint doesn't spend much on citizens healthcare until they turn 65.
If you include US aggregate private sector spending on healthcare for it's citizens so as to reflect healthcare costs incurred by people from 0-65 years of age, our line would be much higher than other countries from 0-65.
I'm not saying that's a good thing for us btw. I'm saying that to not include it inaccurately represents what happens to the cost of US healthcare when the population gets old enough to go on Medicare.
2) The original study looked at ten different countries. That line graph only showed five countries, exaggerating the US's poor performance relative to other countries. Canada's costs for the super elderly, for instance, are nearly as high as ours. Which makes sense since they have similar culture and demographics.
They are apparently all three based on the same study.
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