Atheism.
ism <- the belief in
the <- a god
A <- a lack of
Atheism means a lack of belief in god. It does not mean you assert that there is no god, it does not mean you're sure that god doesn't exist. All an atheist person is, is someone who lacks a positive belief in a god.
Agnosticism is a bs answer. If you don't assert that there is a god, you are atheist, regardless of weather or not you want to be associated with that. If you think it's unknowable, therefore you withhold judgement, you are an atheist, because you lack positive belief in a god.
About time we cleared this up. You can be a so called 'strong atheist' where you have a positive belief that there is no god, and that is still atheism. But that does not represent all of what the word means.
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04-30-2012, 01:49 AM #1
The definition of "Atheism", why Agnosticism is bs.
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04-30-2012, 02:40 AM #2
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04-30-2012, 03:22 AM #3
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04-30-2012, 04:11 AM #4
atheism = without theism
It is simply a lack of a belief.
agnosticism = without knowing
It is simply a lack of knowing.
These words aren't English, they're LATIN. These are the true definitions. Any other definition is false.
atheism/theism is about what you believe.
gnosticism/agnosticism is about what you know.
They answer different questions.
If someone asks what you believe, you'd say you're either an atheist or a theist.
If someone asks what you know, you'd say you're an agnostic or a gnostic theist/atheist.
You can only be a:
gnostic theist
agnostic theist
agnostic atheist
gnostic atheist
There are no other options.
As an atheist, I almost always describe myself as an 'agnostic atheist'. This kills 2 birds with one stone and seperates me from gnostic atheists, an extremely rare breed of douches.Member of NRA, GOA, SAF, TSRA, and CCRKBA (U.S. gun lobbies). Also a member of the Libertarian Party and Schiff Premium.
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04-30-2012, 04:17 AM #5
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04-30-2012, 04:21 AM #6
OP please delete/edit your portion on agnosticism and why it is a "BS belief". It is a very real position and the only reasonable one pertaining to what one 'knows'.
You could perhaps change it and explain why the dying pop. culture definition of agnosticism is BS and false.
But right now it seems that you yourself do not know the real definition of agnosticism.
This is true for agnostic atheists.
Not for gnostic atheists. Gnostic atheists are like gnostic theists. They lack intellectual honesty and are ass-holes.Member of NRA, GOA, SAF, TSRA, and CCRKBA (U.S. gun lobbies). Also a member of the Libertarian Party and Schiff Premium.
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04-30-2012, 04:33 AM #7
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http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...eist?q=atheist
atheist
Pronunciation: /ˈeɪθɪɪst/
noun
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods: he is a committed atheist
You can go ahead and say your personal definition of atheism is whatever you want though OP.'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 04:54 AM #8
http://atheism.about.com/od/definiti...definition.htm
There are definitions created by theists who don't understand latin but they are wrong. You can't redefine latin words.
This is not up to debate. We broke it down into Latin. The definition we provided for atheism is fact.Member of NRA, GOA, SAF, TSRA, and CCRKBA (U.S. gun lobbies). Also a member of the Libertarian Party and Schiff Premium.
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04-30-2012, 05:00 AM #9'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 05:01 AM #10
This.
Neil degrasse tyson is an idiot here:
Without going into (boring-to-me) philosophy that breaks the categories down even further (“He’s a weak atheist,” “He’s an agnostic atheist”), it sounds like Tyson is just trying to back away from using the A word.
To some extent, I understand that. He doesn’t want to be known to the public as an “atheist scientist” (like Richard Dawkins). He wants to be known as a scientist, period. There’s a huge advantage to that.
But one of the reasons so many of us respect Dr. Tyson is because he tells it like it is (and he’s so effective in the process). I have a hard time believing he just misunderstands the terminology (at least as it’s used by the general public).
He goes on to explain that one of the reasons he’s not an “atheist” is because the atheists he knows are fervent activists, fighting for that cause, debating god’s existence, etc. But again, that’s not what makes someone an atheist. You can be an atheist and never talk about it with anyone. If you don’t believe god exists, you’re an atheist. End of story. What you do with that belief is your business, but you don’t become a “bigger” atheist because you talk about it openly, and you’re not a “lesser” atheist if you don’t come out of the closet.
At the end of the video, he talks about how he wouldn’t join a group for people who don’t enjoy golf… as if all atheists do is sit around and not pray. As if there is no anti-atheist discrimination to fight against. As if we’re not opposing attempts to make this a “Christian nation.”
If people who didn’t play golf were discriminated against, then we’d make a bigger deal about that, too. But people who don’t play golf can still get elected to Congress all across the country. People who don’t believe in god are banned from even runningfor office in several states (at least in the books). . . .
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04-30-2012, 05:09 AM #11
Upon further analysis the Oxford definition and the Latin definition seem to be synonyms. Does not believe = lack of a belief. Wtf are we arguing about?
But lol at you thinking you can debate the definition of a LATIN WORD. The definition varies from dictionary to dictionary but many definitions are wrong. Being in a dictionary doesn't make them right.
If anybody doesn't like the true definition of atheism, take it up with the inventors of Latin.Member of NRA, GOA, SAF, TSRA, and CCRKBA (U.S. gun lobbies). Also a member of the Libertarian Party and Schiff Premium.
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04-30-2012, 05:11 AM #12'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 05:20 AM #13
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04-30-2012, 05:21 AM #14'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 05:57 AM #15
I guess they aren't synonyms. Doesn't matter. I'm still right.
Originally Posted by chalup
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Originally Posted by Lasher
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04-30-2012, 06:13 AM #18'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 06:33 AM #21'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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Last edited by lasher; 04-30-2012 at 06:54 AM.
'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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04-30-2012, 06:53 AM #24
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04-30-2012, 06:55 AM #25
I'm taking it up with you.
Conflating atheism into agnosticism trivializes the word. You should be ashamed of your support for the butchery of meanings in language.
Your desire to increase the size of your "clubhouse" at the expense of the meaning of words is appalling to say the least.'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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LOL @ Atheists trying to group all agnostics into their camp and way of thinking. Most agnostic types I've ever met STRONGLY don't want to be considered an Athiest. Lets get real people.
Theist = belive in god.
Agnostic = maybe or maybe not a god.
Atheist = there is no god.Jesus/Gators/ManUtd/Investing
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04-30-2012, 07:08 AM #28'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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