The question of how to maintain, or even gain, strength while losing weight comes up often, so I thought in order to cut down on threads asking bascially the same question that I'd create a sticky.
First of all, here's a good little article by Justin Harris. I like how the author gets right to the point and does not over-complicate things.
Now let me expand on a few of these points, in particular, diet--what is in my opinion the make it or break it factor of successfully maintaining strength while losing weight.Maintaining Strength While Dieting
By Justin Harris
For www.EliteFTS.com
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Trying to decrease body fat while maintaining and/or increasing your strength? Confused about supplements, food intake, and nutrient timing? Read on?
According to most studies on the subject, the human body is mostly anabolic around the 10?15% body fat range, which is actually fairly low. As you gain body fat, your body will actually increase the production of estrogen and ?learn? to store body fat better. For dieting, while maintaining strength, rotate your carbs and calories.
Keep your carbs and total calories higher on heavy training days (ME days for example), drop them a bit on other training days, and take your carbs and calories very low on off days. Your low carb off days could also be a day to focus on cardio.
You don?t have to lose strength when losing fat. Don?t let yourself believe that. The muscle is still there. You still have the contractile tissue to move the weight. Your leverages will change and you may have less energy reserves, but your strength potential should still be there. If you believe you?ll lose strength, you will.
For example, one of my training partners and good friends, Steve Kuclo, is a two time teen national bodybuilding champion and won a national qualifier overall at the age of 20 in bodybuilding. When he did his first bodybuilding diet, he didn?t know that you were ?supposed to lose strength? on low carbs and low energy. He was young, and no one told him that farce. So, he just didn?t lose strength. He didn?t know that was supposed to happen. He figured that he was going to the gym and training. He assumed that when you lift weights, you?re supposed to get stronger. So he just kept getting stronger.
Keep the nutrition basic. You will get the vast majority of your gains in nutrition from a few simple, basic things:
1. Eat protein every few hours.
2. Eat multiple times per day (I eat six or more times a day).
3. Eat complex carbohydrate sources with higher amounts around your workout
4. If you eat fat, make it good fat, and watch the calories.
If you do that EVERY day, you?ll be farther ahead after five years than you would be by missing just one day of that per week but knowing EVERYTHING about perfect supplementation. Supplements provide a big boost IF your basic nutrition is in line. Remember, if you can?t pick it, grow it, or kill it, you shouldn?t be eating it.
Harris alluded to eating complex carbohydrate sources around your workout. Let me give you an idea of how this would look like through a diet template assuming you train in the morning after your first meal...
pre-wo/breakfast: starchy carbs, lean protein, moderate healthy fats
post-wo shake: whey protein shake, starchy carbs, fruit, moderate healthy fats
meal 3: moderate starchy carbs, lean protein, healthy fats, veggies
meal 4: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 5: same as meal 4
meal 6(before bed): casein protein(dairy), healthy fats
Now, your non-training day diet would look like..
pre/wo breakfast: moderate starchy carbs, lean protein, moderate healthy fats
meal 2: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 3: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 4: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 5: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 6(before bed): casein protein(dairy), healthy fats
Starchy carbs are foods such as oats, whole wheat bread, whole wheat pasta, brown rice, quinoa, barley, etc.
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12-19-2007, 09:36 AM #1
How to Maintain Strength While Losing Weight
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I've had great success with doing a recomp. I stayed at 140 lbs during a year and my bf% dropped from 19 to 15 (I'm a female, so 15% was faily the lowest I wanted to go). Good diet, around maintenance, a little higher on training days and cardio 2-3 times/week (or GPP) was my recipe to 'success'. I never really cut/bulk... I bulked the first time I got into serious training because I didn't feel good at 120 lbs... And now I feel a little too fat at 150 lbs @ 20% bf. But usually, slow & continuous bulk or maintenaance while losing fat is the way to go IMO.
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01-22-2008, 09:18 AM #14
great article man, thanks for posting. being an idiot, i posted a thread asking for this exact type of info, before realising there were already 300 of them around
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02-07-2008, 01:51 PM #16
Where did I say that? If I did say that, then it's not accurate and I should change my statement.
What I am advocating is cycling AND timing your carbs so that on non-training days your starchy carb intake is limited AND on your training days you consume starchy carbs only around your training.My Training Journal...
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02-07-2008, 05:27 PM #17
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Does cardio, HIIT, and core work count as a workout?
between those 3 and Rippetoes I workout 5-6 days a week. Should all 5-6 of those days have starchy carbs around my workouts or only on heavy lifting days?Crossfit with a 3x5 or 5x5 here and there
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02-09-2008, 04:59 AM #20
HIIT is a bit tricky, as it tends to be a lot more glycogen depleteing than low intensity cardio.
Some say have some starchy carbs after HIIT, some say don't. It depends on what your body responds best to...like everything in this game
I see now.
What daydreamerX was refering to is a "recomp" (aka; recompistion) diet. A recomp strategy is a slightly different animal than a cutting strategy. The former is more optimal for those who don't have a whole lot of weight/bodyfat to lose, while the latter is better for those who DO have a good deal of weight/body fat to lose.
For a recomp, your net caloric level or favored slightly towards the surplus side of things.
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Great article!
Everything looks good, but the non-training day diet:
"pre/wo breakfast: moderate starchy carbs, lean protein, moderate healthy fats
meal 2: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 3: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 4: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 5: veggies, healthy fats, lean protein
meal 6(before bed): casein protein(dairy), healthy fats"
I don't know if I have the willpower for that hah
It seems so bland to me. Is there anything I could do to make it more "exciting?"REP BACK PEOPLE with 6K+, and a link, brah.
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02-28-2008, 04:40 AM #26
Well, depending on your body type you can have refeeds on non-training days every once in a while. For some, refeeds can be as frequent as once a week. So, looking forward to those refeeds can take away some of the perceived "blandness" of the non-training days.
Also, be creative with your meals! Veggies, fats, and lean protein does not have to be just brocolli, fish oil, and chicken breast. Get some recipes and "spice" things up.My Training Journal...
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03-05-2008, 10:32 PM #27
Hey, I'd like to start a recomp. diet and was wondering about how many carbs should I eat on my off days and information such as that... or at least how many carbs are roughly being suggested in this passage. You suggested "how/when" to eat... just not "how much". (Anybody's help is greatly appreciated.)
By the way, what's a refeed?"Rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. " 1 Timothy 4:7-8
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03-05-2008, 11:57 PM #28
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JUSTIN HARRIS HAS IT SPOT ON!!!
1. Eat protein every few hours.
2. Eat multiple times per day (I eat six or more times a day).
3. Eat complex carbohydrate sources with higher amounts around your workout
4. If you eat fat, make it good fat, and watch the calories.
i follow this exact rule set for mine and i tell you it works, ive written a blog about mine if anyone wants to check it out its called cut AND massHeavy Metal + Heavy Weights = Get Jacked!
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03-06-2008, 03:28 AM #29
The reason I did not give solid numbers is that there are so many variables among different people that quoting even a range of numbers would liklely be misleading.
Such variables are one's metabolism, insulin sensitivity, insulin output, body type, weight, etc. Basically, it comes down to how the individual responds to carbs.
Person A can respond very well to carbs and there "low carb" day could be upwards of 200g or carbs. Converesly, person B can be very carb sensitive and consume only 40g of carbs on their low carb day.
You have to think back on how your body reacts to carbs and then make a deducitve decison based on your best estimation.My Training Journal...
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