1st set is like 6 or 7/10 intensity.
By the last set I’m completely dead.
Takes me like 30 minutes including warmup.
Always get light headed, and barely have energy left for accessories.
I’m used to less volume like 3x5 or even 3x3 which I find much more manageable and enjoyable, but I started to plateau so I guessed it was because I didn’t have enough volume.
Edit: just to clarify I mean 5x5 only for compounds, not stronglifts
|
Thread: Is 5x5 too much volume?
-
01-16-2021, 04:28 PM #1
Is 5x5 too much volume?
Last edited by BulkingIsHard; 01-16-2021 at 09:15 PM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
01-16-2021, 04:53 PM #2
-
01-16-2021, 04:54 PM #3
-
01-16-2021, 05:11 PM #4
Isn't that the program though? Warmup to "x" weight then do 5 sets of 5 reps of "x".
Some might also argue that intensity is unnecessary for progression so long as you are lifting sufficiently heavy (e.g. at least 80% of 1 RM) with at minimum 20 reps of volume per workout.
I am considering a reverse pyramid. Maybe one heavy top set of like 1-3 reps then 3 or 4 sets of 5/6 with lighter weight. I won't be as burned out towards the end and won't hog the platform for half an hour.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
-
01-16-2021, 05:13 PM #5
-
01-16-2021, 05:25 PM #6
I agree with you that the first couple feel easy, but like I said, some people would argue it doesn't matter how intense a workout is, so long as you are getting in at least 20 reps of volume and lifting at least 80% of your 1 RM.
You are saying that the 5x5 is essentially a 2x5 or a 3x5 because the first few sets don't have sufficient stimulation.
Your opposition would say that all of those 25 reps have sufficient stimulation.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
01-16-2021, 05:28 PM #7
-
01-16-2021, 05:48 PM #8
-
-
01-16-2021, 05:57 PM #9
-
01-16-2021, 05:57 PM #10
-
01-16-2021, 06:11 PM #11
- Join Date: Aug 2013
- Location: Stanwood, Washington, United States
- Posts: 5,460
- Rep Power: 47591
I ran a 5x5 for my first 6 months, wasn't a fan of it for precisely this reason. I'm with TolerantLactose above, if they expect you to get to the 5th rep on the 5th set and be at say RPE 8-9 then your first 2-3 sets are at a much lower intensity and are in fact "glorified warmups", unless you're resting 10 minutes between each set.
I prefer a pyramid scheme where I pyramid up to a top set and then back down, using a range of 5-8 reps. Example 8 reps at 225 lbs, then 5-6 reps at 235 lbs, then back down to 225 for as many reps as possible (usually 6).All it takes is consistency, effort, proper nutrition, good programming, and TIME.
Don't be upset with the results you didn't get from the work you did not do.
-
01-16-2021, 06:41 PM #12
Nope. 5x5 is pretty much 75% strength and 25% hypertrophy IMO. Use it on compounds and move up once you've conquered a weight for 25 reps. It requires more rest time between workouts. If you are concerned about having the energy/stamina to do more accessory then the ratio may not be what you are looking for. Look for something more geared for hypertrophy aka bodybuilding split.
Looking at posts above it is 5 sets, 5 reps, same weight. Just to clarify what a 5x5 is. If you fail rep 23-24 you're doin it right.
It's up to you to decide what direction you want to go once you are an intermediate/semi-experienced lifter (1.5-2yrs. training). If you want to go for that 10-12%bodyfat ripped physique, 5x5 is probably not for you. If you are looking to progress with lifts, get more mass and stick around the 15-17% range then 5x5 may be for you.
Personally I've adjusted to 4x6, get it done and then move to 3x8 same weight until I can get it, then move up and start over 4x6 whether it takes a week or 6weeks to conquer.Last edited by ezra76; 01-16-2021 at 06:58 PM.
-
-
01-16-2021, 07:09 PM #13
I'm lifting at about 85% of my 1 RM. Resting 3-4 minutes because I get light headed if I jump back in too quickly.
D1: Deadlift + back accessories
D2: Bench + chest/shoulder accessories
D3: Squat/legs + calves and occasional running (mostly ran so I could be in good health for when I got COVID and kinda stopped running after I fought it off and tested positive)
Rest 2 days
During workout, rest 3 minutes minimum, upwards of 4, sometimes 5 if it's before a big lift or I'm low on energy that day.
Last set is maximum effort, I start to get burned out on the 3rd/4th set. 1st set isn't necessarily easy, but I probably have 2 or 3 reps in reserve.
Tbh I am not really interested in bodybuilding, just want to get as strong as possible. I like the low reps because I get to go heavy but I feel like it's either not enough volume or I have to add so many sets where I start to get fatigued and spend too much time in the gym.Last edited by BulkingIsHard; 01-16-2021 at 10:20 PM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
01-16-2021, 07:10 PM #14
-
01-16-2021, 07:15 PM #15
-
01-16-2021, 07:25 PM #16
-
-
01-16-2021, 07:28 PM #17
Where are you at training wise? Time consistently lifting.
As far as overtraining he's a powerlifter and squats every friggen day so geared or not we are not following his total program.
However 5x5 is a strength based program. It is not meant to be doing the same weight every workout or there would be no point because it is not optimal for growing muscle size for bodybuilding. It is meant to conquer a weight then move up to the next challenge. If you are doing chest fly's and face pulls after, probably not the ideal workout for your goals.
Also like I was saying I moved from 5x5 to a 4x6 and when I get those 24 reps I move to 3x8 same weight to master it. Then move up to the next weight and start over at 4x6.
-
01-16-2021, 07:32 PM #18
-
01-16-2021, 07:34 PM #19
-
01-16-2021, 07:43 PM #20
Pretty much you should be starting the workout like "oh $hit, do I have this in me today?" when thinking about the last set. If you get it, great, fistbump your bro and then go to next weight next workout and start over.
I think the misunderstanding with 5x5 is it's not supposed to be a hypertrophy workout. If you get all the reps you are supposed to add more weight next time, not do the same weight again. How is doing same weight, same reps productive? You need to increase one or the other or both or you are not progressing.
-
-
01-16-2021, 07:59 PM #21
I know, hence why I liked to hit triples in the past. However, I was not interested in doing 6-8 heavy sets over an hour. Even 4-5 sets was a lot regarding time and fatigue, and I ended up dropped it down to 3x3, and I think that is too little volume. I think a reverse pyramid would be best for my case now that I think about it.
I have been training on and off for about 4 years (I get bursts of motivation and eat/train well, then start to slow down when school or work gets busy). Strength standards are about intermediate according to exrx.net
That's the plan...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
01-16-2021, 08:06 PM #22
-
01-16-2021, 08:06 PM #23
I never had trouble doing 5x5 with even the first set feeling pretty hard/not a warmup set.
Maybe just give it some time to get used to the workload?
And yes, it takes time to do 5 heavy sets plus warmup and lots of rest.
I don't think you should purposely save energy for your assistance exercises. It's good to be a little tired before your cable flies, leg extensions, and bicep curls.2022 -- Just maintaining and doing the van life
April 2021.................16 week cut.................168 lbs
2020......................375 / 285 / 505..............186 lbs
Pre-COVID..............335 / 295 / 499..............185 lbs
July 1, 2019................9 week cut.................164 lbs
Late April 2019.........285 / 275 / 440.............178 lbs
Oct, 2018..............175x6 / 145x6 / 275x5......163 lbs
-
01-16-2021, 08:10 PM #24
-
-
01-16-2021, 08:52 PM #25
9 reps over 5 days is enough? That is kinda low regarding volume accumulation is it not?
Fair enough, I just felt miserable today for some reason. Took longer than usual for deadlifts and got spots/lights in my vision after the last set when I was reracking.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#By_absorption
-
01-16-2021, 08:54 PM #26
-
01-16-2021, 09:00 PM #27
-
01-16-2021, 09:04 PM #28
-
-
01-16-2021, 09:28 PM #29
-
01-16-2021, 09:52 PM #30
Bookmarks