Trannies versus female athletes

[supramax]

Just to clarify what Johnny was saying, there is full blown gay, a little gay and then there’s guys or girls who have thought about doing something gay...

There's at least one more category; the latent homosexual. Quite often, they are the people most vehemently opposed to homosexuality.

[Jtbny]

I used to get invaded by gays. Gay men. Geez, from age 17 thru my forties. It wasn't until my early 20's that I even realized that my affinity for muscle was a common affinity, some to the point of obsession (in both gay and straight people)

Initially, I was disgusted. It was weird and, at least to me, extremely fkd up. Talking to a dude for 10 minutes and being told he wanted to give me great head, or I could take his azz, if I wanted. Eventually, I came to be flattered by the attention. I'd even throw them a bone, like hot chicks do to fk with us guys who are obvious as fk about their goals. But, I just had no desire to get blown by a guy or to fk a guys azz. In Key West, I'd be walking down the street with my wife and they'd call out from the bars and hoot and howl about how they could suck a dik better than my wife. I won't go all Bodyhard her, but I did get violent with a guy in San Francisco who called my wife a 'breeder' after I refused his advances. (I used to go there to visit a gay primary family member)

Ahh, but those days are gone. No more hoots; no more howls. My beauty has aged and is no longer desirable. I will say this, my wife feels okay with this, and I am thankful.

Thanks for sharing your coming out story.

[KeepItMoving]

Thanks for sharing your coming out story.

LOL! Way to grab low hanging fruit.

[KeepItMoving]

So a man can eat pu$$y his entire life but suck 1 dick and he's a coksucker?

Classic punch line to one of m favorite jokes about the architect in Ireland, Scottland..whatever... who built nearly an entire small town, the church, the school, etc. He's lamenting to the priest, who recounts his benevolence, and says, "yeah father, but ya fk one goat!"

[Jtbny]

LOL! Way to grab low hanging fruit.

Is this a gay reference, can't tell.

[bodyhard]

So a man can eat pu$$y his entire life but suck 1 dick and he's a coksucker?

Pretty much that

[bustasinclair]

So a man can eat pu$$y his entire life but suck 1 dick and he's a coksucker?

LOL, there's literally millions and millions of people who enjoy both of these activities equally.....many will not admit it though.

[sy2502]

So you are admitting it is a mental illness and not something real and genuine?

Illness is real and genuine. The fact it's in the mind doesn't make it any less real.

There is nothing inherent to being transgender that makes one mentally ill (e.g. depressed, anxious, suicidal); it is the manner in which one copes with their gender identity that is diagnosed and treated, not their gender itself. 

So you don't think it's an illness when you brain is completely out of phase with your body to the point you want to hack at your anatomy? What do we call it then?

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Illness is real and genuine. The fact it's in the mind doesn't make it any less real.



So you don't think it's an illness when you brain is completely out of phase with your body to the point you want to hack at your anatomy? What do we call it then?

Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. One of the medically recognized treatments is transitioning.

[Cass40]

Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. One of the medically recognized treatments is transitioning.

So if I identify as a 5 -year old, I can transition back to being a kid? And win all my kindergarten competitions?
I just don't get that someone's mental disorder can hurt other people and it's okay.

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So if I identify as a 5 -year old, I can transition back to being a kid? And win all my kindergarten competitions?
I just don't get that someone's mental disorder can hurt other people and it's okay.

I was speaking in general terms about gender dysphoria being the stress experienced (usually by transgender people) if your identified/true gender does not match your expressed/societal gender or physical sexual attributes. It is often treated by transitioning. Gender incongruence or trans-identity is not in itself a mental disorder.

As far as the OP goes it is unfortunate that she was born a man, but modern medicine was able to correct this, and she will be able to live as a woman. However, some people are born with "defects" that are not as easily corrected, and this isn't fair, but it is life. I fully support Fallon Fox's gender re-assignment, but sometimes we are faced with limitations because we were given the hand we were dealt. The safety of others can't be put in jeopardy because something completely unfair happened to her- a lot of people can't fight because of things they have no control over. I don't know the solution for this, but allowing her to fight women with certain advantages that a man would have in combat sports against a woman is not it.

[Cass40]

I was speaking in general terms about gender dysphoria being the stress experienced (usually by transgender people) if your identified/true gender does not match your expressed/societal gender or physical sexual attributes. It is often treated by transitioning. Gender incongruence or trans-identity is not in itself a mental disorder.

As far as the OP goes it is unfortunate that she was born a man, but modern medicine was able to correct this, and she will be able to live as a woman. However, some people are born with "defects" that are not as easily corrected, and this isn't fair, but it is life. I fully support Fallon Fox's gender re-assignment, but sometimes we are faced with limitations because we were given the hand we were dealt. The safety of others can't be put in jeopardy because something completely unfair happened to her- a lot of people can't fight because of things they have no control over. I don't know the solution for this, but allowing her to fight women with certain advantages that a man would have in combat sports against a woman is not it.

Yes, those are pretty much my thoughts too. Just because something unfair happened to you, doesn't give you the right to put others in jeopardy.

[smokinal]

So if I identify as a 5 -year old, I can transition back to being a kid? And win all my kindergarten competitions?
I just don't get that someone's mental disorder can hurt other people and it's okay.

Very good point

If you have a mental disorder; you, your family and your doctors handle it; but it shouldn't affect the rest of the planet who doesn't

[NorwichGrad]

Very good point

If you have a mental disorder; you, your family and your doctors handle it; but it shouldn't affect the rest of the planet who doesn't

Agreed!

But we all know it doesnt work that way because gubmint is always involved.

You misgender a tranny, you go to jail.

You punch a disgusting P E D O in the face, you go to jail cuz P E D O s have "rights".

You don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, you get fined.

I'm a "live and let live" type of dood. Problem is gubmint wants to enforce other people's believe down the throat of those who do not support.

And that is tyranny.

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Yes, those are pretty much my thoughts too. Just because something unfair happened to you, doesn't give you the right to put others in jeopardy.

My views have changed a bit about trans participation in sports (although never combat sports) and much of that was because of discussion I had on here with Karl and JT I believe. I think what the IOC requires is about as fair as you can make it and for most sports it’s still not enough. Although I still believe in UNTESTED lifting competitions trans lifters should be allowed to compete in whatever division they want.

I am a bit biased as I do have a family friend who transitioned from female to male and so I became pretty interested in the idea of gender dysphoria. I don’t really understand the theories well enough to articulate them (not that that has really stopped me in the past) but as I understand it is believed one possible cause is by a misalignment between the brain sex and genetic sex. Genetic sex being determined by, genetics obviously. It's your chromosomes. Brain sex is your gender. It's determined by the hormones that you're exposed to while developing in the womb.

Chromosomes are like blueprints. Sh*t goes wrong in nature, human development can get f*cked up. XX is supposed to be the female path and XY is supposed to be the male path. Everyone starts off on the same path, that’s why men have nipples (?). The Y chromosome doesn’t actually do much. It pretty much just signals a flood of testosterone to occur and diverts the fetus down the male path. Which path the brain and gonads go down is all set by hormones. The brain and the gonads develop at different times, which is why mismatches can occur. Too much testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XX individual develop a male brain gender. Lack of testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XY individual develop a female brain gender.

At least that is how I understand it, perhaps I misunderstood what I read or what I read was completely wrong. I don’t know. Hopefully Karl will be along soon enough to correct me where I have gone astray.

[smokinal]

Wait till this comes around; which it will; mark my words.

Kid goes from biological female to pretend male; competes in male sports; does poorly; complains that competition isn't fair because biological males are typically stronger, faster than females; get seperate division or rule change to suit "him"

Just wait....

[Cass40]

My views have changed a bit about trans participation in sports (although never combat sports) and much of that was because of discussion I had on here with Karl and JT I believe. I think what the IOC requires is about as fair as you can make it and for most sports it’s still not enough. Although I still believe in UNTESTED lifting competitions trans lifters should be allowed to compete in whatever division they want.

I am a bit biased as I do have a family friend who transitioned from female to male and so I became pretty interested in the idea of gender dysphoria. I don’t really understand the theories well enough to articulate them (not that that has really stopped me in the past) but as I understand it is believed one possible cause is by a misalignment between the brain sex and genetic sex. Genetic sex being determined by, genetics obviously. It's your chromosomes. Brain sex is your gender. It's determined by the hormones that you're exposed to while developing in the womb.

Chromosomes are like blueprints. Sh*t goes wrong in nature, human development can get f*cked up. XX is supposed to be the female path and XY is supposed to be the male path. Everyone starts off on the same path, that’s why men have nipples (?). The Y chromosome doesn’t actually do much. It pretty much just signals a flood of testosterone to occur and diverts the fetus down the male path. Which path the brain and gonads go down is all set by hormones. The brain and the gonads develop at different times, which is why mismatches can occur. Too much testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XX individual develop a male brain gender. Lack of testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XY individual develop a female brain gender.

At least that is how I understand it, perhaps I misunderstood what I read or what I read was completely wrong. I don’t know. Hopefully Karl will be along soon enough to correct me where I have gone astray.

So how do you feel about trans women using women's lockerooms and restrooms?

I mean the point of view of women not wanting men to occupy those spaces, or even parents who don't want them there because of their children?

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So how do you feel about trans women using women's lockerooms and restrooms?

I mean the point of view of women not wanting men to occupy those spaces, or even parents who don't want them there because of their children?

I have spent a bit of time in Europe and unisex bathrooms do exist there. People are afraid of molestation happening in the 'wrong' bathroom, but that threat miraculously disappears if they're forced into the 'right' bathroom?

It's a basic fallacy of logic. Either they're human beings who should be judged based on their individual actions ... or the opposition needs to admit they simply don't like/fear or understand them.

The statistics overwhelmingly show that sexual assault relating to transgender people is almost exclusively being committed against them, not by them.

Also no one seems to think about FtM's when it comes to this issue. The rhetoric is always about transwoman in the ladies room. There's nothing stopping a cis man from claiming he's FtM transgender and going in the woman's room anyways because now he's "forced" to use the bathroom of his birth sex. The problem with these laws is all the absolutely ridiculous scenarios people have to think up to justify their existence. It's a bad solution to something that was never a problem in the first place.

Whatever way you have it, if someone seriously wanted to go into a bathroom or locker room to be a perv, they would do it. But Voyeurism is still illegal and that's what they would be charged with.

[Mark1T]

It wasn’t too long ago where I read that a mother in California came out to tell the world her son who was 7, wants to be a girl and that she is encouraging his transition and will be considering getting him female hormones.

Sometimes the sick one is the parent.

[Cass40]

I have spent a bit of time in Europe and unisex bathrooms do exist there. People are afraid of molestation happening in the 'wrong' bathroom, but that threat miraculously disappears if they're forced into the 'right' bathroom?

It's a basic fallacy of logic. Either they're human beings who should be judged based on their individual actions ... or the opposition needs to admit they simply don't like/fear or understand them.

The statistics overwhelmingly show that sexual assault relating to transgender people is almost exclusively being committed against them, not by them.

Also no one seems to think about FtM's when it comes to this issue. The rhetoric is always about transwoman in the ladies room. There's nothing stopping a cis man from claiming he's FtM transgender and going in the woman's room anyways because now he's "forced" to use the bathroom of his birth sex. The problem with these laws is all the absolutely ridiculous scenarios people have to think up to justify their existence. It's a bad solution to something that was never a problem in the first place.

Whatever way you have it, if someone seriously wanted to go into a bathroom or locker room to be a perv, they would do it. But Voyeurism is still illegal and that's what they would be charged with.

I see. Hmm..well I'm European so I really never cared, I was raised so different. But America is so different and culturally diverse though.

Also was just thinking that since women get harassed just walking down the street and maybe they'd like to have a place where men don't come. However, as you said if they want to do it, they would do it anyway.

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It wasn’t too long ago where I read that a mother in California came out to tell the world her son who was 7, wants to be a girl and that she is encouraging his transition and will be considering getting him female hormones.

Sometimes the sick one is the parent.

Many different perspectives.

My child (born male) feels that they are trans. Wants me to use she/her pronouns and has always always acted like a female right from her toddler years. I always noticed and so did everyone else. I can't say I was open to transition because when she was young I'd never heard of trans people. She wanted baby dolls and t-sets and barbies and girls clothes. I tried and tried to get her to play with nerf guns and legos like her brothers but no luck ever. She'd fight anything masculine tooth and nail. I gave up fighting when she was about 8 and just let her play with girls toys. There was no changing her. When it came to clothes I gave up the fight last year. She was sneaking make up and girls clothes to school and changing in the bathroom. This child will fight to be a girl all the way to her grave.

Now puberty is setting in and we have some serious choices to make. At thirteen she can pass for female but in a year or two that may no longer be possible. I did not know what to do because I want her to make all her medical decisions as an adult. I want her to really think about these decisions and make them with no pressure from anyone else. But she keeps getting taller and taller and her shoulders are getting wider and wider and she is panicking because if she isn't allowed to make these changes till she is 18 she will be a fairly big person (her older brothers are 6'6" and 6'3").

So I researched and read up on puberty blockers and that is the direction we will go in for now. She will be able to take pills that will block puberty while working with a therapist that will help her to navigate the choices available and to work through her feelings. I know she needs that. I have never seen someone hate and fear puberty like this. Floods of tears every time she grows an inch or goes up a shoe size. This child's greatest horror is that her body is becoming a mans body and she is trapped in it and can't get out. It's hard to discribe watching someone you love so much go through that. Being trans is not a cute 10 year old boy who wants to wear a toto. It's a thirteen year old collapsed on the bathroom floor weeping and freaking out because they feel like a freak and they can't get out of their body. It's terrifying as a parent to face this because you are so afraid of making the wrong choice and you have no idea if you are hurting or helping. And people judge you, your own family judges you. It's not a fun game to play. It's really hard.

[bodyhard]

It wasn’t too long ago where I read that a mother in California came out to tell the world her son who was 7, wants to be a girl and that she is encouraging his transition and will be considering getting him female hormones.

Sometimes the sick one is the parent.

Need to take that child away from the parents.

Then find a nice place for the parentS then execute them

[ApeXXXPredator]

I only have one thing to say

[Mark1T]

Need to take that child away from the parents.

Then find a nice place for the parentS then execute them

I understand, but that would be hard to do since States like California would support such scenarios.

[sy2502]

Gender dysphoria is a recognized mental disorder. One of the medically recognized treatments is transitioning.

I understand there's nothing else for them at the moment so if that gives them some relief good for them. Having an illness doesn't make you a non person or a sub human so I'm not sure why there's such resistance at calling it an illness. Chit, I am near sighted as phuk, I am not going to pretend it's not a medical issue and it sure doesn't make me subhuman, but I am never going to fly fighter jets in the Air Force, which also doesn't make me subhuman. So to say trans have an illness and also they should not compete against women it's not any more demeaning than saying I'm blind as a bat and I won't fly fighter jets. Why the left has to turn everything into a grotesque chit show is beyond me.

[bodyhard]

I understand, but that would be hard to do since States like California would support such scenarios.

Well they need to change the law ASAP!

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I understand there's nothing else for them at the moment so if that gives them some relief good for them. Having an illness doesn't make you a non person or a sub human so I'm not sure why there's such resistance at calling it an illness. Chit, I am near sighted as phuk, I am not going to pretend it's not a medical issue and it sure doesn't make me subhuman, but I am never going to fly fighter jets in the Air Force, which also doesn't make me subhuman. So to say trans have an illness and also they should not compete against women it's not any more demeaning than saying I'm blind as a bat and I won't fly fighter jets. Why the left has to turn everything into a grotesque chit show is beyond me.

I assume some transgender folks get upset about being called mentally ill because transgenderism itself is not a mental illness. Dysphoria comes in many forms and isnt restricted to transgender people (it is the opposite of euphoria). It becomes a disorder when it is persistent and damaging to a person's ability to function but not every transgender person suffers from gender dysphoria. I would assume many live quite well in fact.

[LWW]

I was speaking in general terms about gender dysphoria being the stress experienced (usually by transgender people) if your identified/true gender does not match your expressed/societal gender or physical sexual attributes. It is often treated by transitioning. Gender incongruence or trans-identity is not in itself a mental disorder.

As far as the OP goes it is unfortunate that she was born a man, but modern medicine was able to correct this, and she will be able to live as a woman. However, some people are born with "defects" that are not as easily corrected, and this isn't fair, but it is life. I fully support Fallon Fox's gender re-assignment, but sometimes we are faced with limitations because we were given the hand we were dealt. The safety of others can't be put in jeopardy because something completely unfair happened to her- a lot of people can't fight because of things they have no control over. I don't know the solution for this, but allowing her to fight women with certain advantages that a man would have in combat sports against a woman is not it.

Transitions are not treatment. It’s been shown that many champions have had some type of disadvantage, these people actually become champions because disadvantages make people better when they deal with them.

Hence real treatment for a man who thinks they are a women is to NEVER transition hormone wise but use the handicap to fuel thier desire, if they want to dress and act like a female naturally compete and beat men, not women.

[supramax]

Transitions are not treatment. It’s been shown that many champions have had some type of disadvantage, these people actually become champions because disadvantages make people better when they deal with them.

Hence real treatment for a man who thinks they are a women is to NEVER transition hormone wise but use the handicap to fuel thier desire, if they want to dress and act like a female naturally compete and beat men, not women.

I'm not sure, but I think that without the delusion, that's just called a cross dresser and I'm sure you'll be reprimanded for saying the word 'handicap'.

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Transitions are not treatment. It’s been shown that many champions have had some type of disadvantage, these people actually become champions because disadvantages make people better when they deal with them.

Hence real treatment for a man who thinks they are a women is to NEVER transition hormone wise but use the handicap to fuel thier desire, if they want to dress and act like a female naturally compete and beat men, not women.

I am not sure the goal was a championship but if so, Fox did show a pretty impressive commitment to go through the process of a gender reassignment surgery and all that entails to try to reach it.