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Thread: The 1981 Mr Olympia article
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12-03-2012, 04:26 PM #31
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12-03-2012, 04:27 PM #32
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12-03-2012, 05:24 PM #33
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I thought Ronnie deserved to win. Cutler was harder at the prejudging but Ronnie looked much better at the finals and he gave a high energy posing routine while Cutler sort of just walked through his routine and didn't go for it. If he would have really been aggressive, he could have pulled an upset.
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12-03-2012, 07:12 PM #34
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12-03-2012, 07:20 PM #35
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12-03-2012, 08:18 PM #36
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12-03-2012, 09:47 PM #37anonymousGuest
If we look at the physique as a whole Platz doesn't make top 3 as he is the opposite to Franco. All legs not alot up top.
This is the main problem with the 1980. People look at Arnold and say he's not as good as in the early 70's.. so what? He is not against Arnold 1974 he is against these men who happen to look like pencils next to him.
I believe Mentzer, Zane, Coe etc were all very jealous that Arnold didn't have to come in at his best and he could still stand next to them at 100% and make them look small. Also that he had everything going for him with the Conan movie deal and was a successful millionaire. They all had a group mentality against him in their jealousy, I see this in every interview with them on the subject.
Onto Zane. Whenever somebody says "x bodybuilder has no legs, no delts" or whatever. You only have to look at him and despite his amazing aesthetics.. the guy is 185lbs at 5'9. He had pencil legs, no arms, no delts, no traps, no back need I go on. Mike Mentzer owned him in the 1979 Olympia aswell.
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12-03-2012, 10:45 PM #38
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Wow, you're perceptions are way off. Platz deserved 3rd? Behind who??
To put Platz down because his legs were OVER developed but then you don't like Zane because he is Under developed??
You don't make any sense. Platz did have incredible legs but his upper body was in proportion and he was big all over. Plus,
he was very ripped and in shape. Franco did not have any separation in his quadriceps. Period! You can't place Franco over
Platz, Callendar, Padilla or Dickerson because of that alone. Franco's upper body looked great (except for the gyno) but with
zero separation in the quads, no judge in their right mind should have placed him above those other four bodybuilders. You
don't place a bodybuilder DOWN because he has too much muscle. LOL
The bodybuilders in the 1980 were pissed at Arnold but it was more because he didn't tell anyone he was competing in the contest
and he just jumped into the show the day before the contest. He also had a lot of his friends and business associates on the judging
panel and he didn't do the poses that were asked of him in the prejudging. He didn't look as good as he did before but was that good
enough to beat the bodybuilders who were on stage with him that day? That's the question. I wasn't there so I only have the pictures
and video to go by. His legs were out of proportion. I personally thought Dickerson was the best on that day (from the pictures).
Zane was not Ronnie Coleman and he wasn't as big as Sergio or Arnold but he was the best on that day. He actually had big legs and
a great flow to his body. He had very thick triceps and an incredibly ripped and detailed back. Again, if you weren't there to see it (and
this is the late 1970's, not 2010) than you can't call him skinny. No offense, but anyone who calls Frank Zane skinny or "a swimmer"
doesn't know what real bodybuilding is all about. And he beat Mentzer in the 1979 Olympia. I was sitting third row center and Mentzer
didn't make Zane look small and Zane just had better flow to his body, he was more professional in his posing, he was more ripped and
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12-03-2012, 11:13 PM #39anonymousGuest
I was replying to the other guys post about Franco's legs being out of proportion.. if he wants to go with the proportion thing then Platz upper body is out compared to his legs. I personally believe as I said earlier in this thread Platz should have taken the show, I don't believe the proportions of these guys were a huge negative.
Zane tends to look alot better on his own than next to other guys imo. Sorry, he did not have big legs John, anyone can see that. He didn't have big anything (well his wife may disagree). I don't see how you can say Frank was "more professional with his posing" than Mike Mentzer. Mentzer was an amazing poser and very professional, you can see his routine in my youtube video at 6:00..
Very jelly that you got to see that live.
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12-03-2012, 11:15 PM #40anonymousGuest
I was replying to the other guys post about Franco's legs being out of proportion.. if he wants to go with the proportion thing then Platz upper body is out compared to his legs. I personally believe as I said earlier in this thread Platz should have taken the show, I don't believe the proportions of these guys were a huge negative.
Zane tends to look alot better on his own than next to other guys imo. Sorry, he did not have big legs John, anyone can see that. He didn't have big anything (well his wife may disagree). I don't see how you can say Frank was "more professional with his posing" than Mike Mentzer in 79'. Mentzer was an amazing poser and very professional, you can see his routine in my youtube video at 6:00..
Very jelly that you got to see that live.
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12-04-2012, 05:58 AM #41
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I was talking about the posedown between Mentzer and Zane (and the other finalists) at the '79 Olympia. Mentzer was posing very fast and not holding his poses and Zane was hitting his signature poses perfectly. Mentzer had a higher score than Zane from the morning but Zane pulled ahead at the posedown because more judges gave him a first place vote. It was his experience that allowed him to pull ahead.
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12-05-2012, 06:30 AM #44
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12-05-2012, 09:46 AM #48
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12-05-2012, 10:03 AM #52
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Man, Platz looked amazing, thanks for the pics man!
I don't quite agree with people when they say Platz had this huge upper/lower imbalance. The only area that I think he could have used some size was his arms, and maybe a little bit in his delts. His chest and back were huge and I don't think they were overshadowed by his legs.
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12-05-2012, 10:17 AM #53
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12-05-2012, 01:13 PM #54
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12-05-2012, 03:48 PM #55
enjoyed the article but i really just do not agree with the statement that arnold was a shadow of his former self in the 1980 olympia... he dominated everyone on stage still, so if he was a shadow of his former self it was still better than what anyone else brought... had to say it, anyways great artcile enjoyed the read... also franco was more conditioned than any competitor at that show including platz and im a huge platz fan.... everyone loves to create controversy, fact of the matter is arnold was the 1980 MR O and franco was the 1981 MR O
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12-05-2012, 06:03 PM #56
Great conversation in this thread. Very interesting points John
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12-05-2012, 07:11 PM #58
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I agree that Franco looked great but he shouldn't have been any higher than fifth just because of his legs. No matter how great his upper body was and how ripped he was, those legs were terrible with not one line or separation in there. Just for that, he should never have beaten Padilla, Platz, Dickerson or Callendar.
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