What is the best and safest testosterone supplement out there? I want to try one if these
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01-24-2021, 02:17 PM #1
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01-24-2021, 03:12 PM #2
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Proper nutrition, proper sleep and a good training regime.
If you have genuine concerns regarding symptoms of low testosterone, speak to your dr, otherwise don’t bother wasting your money on ‘test boosters’ as they only thing they’re boosting is the profits of the shops selling them.Strong & Unstable
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01-24-2021, 03:43 PM #3
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01-24-2021, 10:37 PM #5
Universal Natural Sterol Complex
I choose it for you because it has a lot of ingredients
It might give you a nice placebo and a hole in your budget
Seriously now, most guys believe testosterone supplement are worthless.
Few guys say they have seen benefits from them. Or from tribulus. Or other stuff.
You will never know for sure until you try it and lose some money.
Did you just assume his gender and his sexual preferences?I like to learn from the mistakes of the people who take my advice.
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01-27-2021, 10:28 AM #6
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01-28-2021, 08:49 AM #9
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01-28-2021, 03:57 PM #10
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01-28-2021, 04:02 PM #11
This is false. Most likely a vitamin b supp.
Macrodosing vitamin b supplements will skew the results and make test levels look higher srs.
Anyone who's taken a T test knows you're supposed to avoid b vitamins supps 72hrs prior to the blood work.
No such thing as otc test booster.
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01-28-2021, 04:05 PM #12MR.PHF '09
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02-03-2021, 05:20 AM #16
Its a good policy and I agree with it, however, I would hope that there would need to be some formal evidence presented to conclude the "spike" claim as real before taking such harsh measures. Otherwise competitors could spam posts and have their competition removed easily. IMO when I read the post I assumed he was JK.
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02-03-2021, 08:31 AM #18
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It is thanks. At least the booze actually creates a buzz that you can feel and notice and tastes good, if that's your thing. The OTC test booster will never actually do anything to actually boost your testosterone in any appreciable manner that would make a difference outside of possible increases in libido.
You can find new things and experiment all you want, but that doesn't mean it actually does anything outside of above."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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02-12-2021, 10:54 AM #23
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02-12-2021, 11:28 AM #24
A lot of what you're taking has been studied with data to show for it. For example:
https://examine.com/supplements/d-aspartic-acid/
"There appears to be an increase in testosterone in most subjects acutely (6-12 days), and while this may persist to the tune of 30-60% in infertile men it is reduced to baseline within a month in otherwise healthy men with normal testosterone at baseline. However, high doses also seem to decrease free testosterone and total testosterone in resistance trained men. "
You can check some of the other things you're taking on examine as well.Bench: 365
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02-12-2021, 02:23 PM #25
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The problem you have here is that your data is sample of one. That's what N=1 means. It's meaningless data on it's own. That's not a study. As Ghawk21 noted, there are studies on many of these things and the data already shows it's bad.
But again, that's not a study and it's not controlled data collection. It's pretty much worthless data, but have fun.Last edited by lucia316; 02-12-2021 at 02:30 PM.
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02-12-2021, 02:38 PM #26
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Better off just taking the cash you would’ve spent on a legal test booster,
and burning it.
The resulting rage will give you a far more effective spike and should provide enough aggression to go and have a good session in the gym.
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02-12-2021, 02:46 PM #27
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Um, an actual study with a control group with multiple participants. Science isn't just a bunch of uncontrolled randos sending in data.
Okay, but you understand a study is controlled (or semi-controlled) comparison between two or more groups. It's not just a random dude taking something and then having his blood-tested. Who knows what other variables there may be?
You can do whatever you want. The DAA study was good and what we previously thought to be decent at affecting testosterone (at least as far as otc stuff goes) was incorrect and actually had more downside than good. But hey, if you want to be sure with your N=1, okay. The point is that those results are pretty much worthless, because you're not conducting a study. It's just a comparison of results of a blood test from two different time periods. What variables created those different results are not known."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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02-12-2021, 03:08 PM #28
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Ghawk gave you a resource. Examine has tons of studies listed under each ingredient. There are three for DAA just with regard to testosterone. You can also see the studies on infertile males. So unless you're infertile looking for improved seminal mobility, DAA has more downside than upside.
A synopsis of the three studies on testosterone:
"There appears to be an increase in testosterone in most subjects acutely (6-12 days), and while this may persist to the tune of 30-60% in infertile men it is reduced to baseline within a month in otherwise healthy men with normal testosterone at baseline. However, high doses also seem to decrease free testosterone and total testosterone in resistance trained men."
Cool. So a boost in test in infertile men, but healthy men returned to baseline within a month of starting to take it, but a decrease in free and total test for healthy men that are resistance training. No thanks, Jeff. In fact, one of the conclusions from the resistance trained male study was, "Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle."
The other issues with many of these testosterone "boosting" ingredients is that while they may meet statistical significance in a study, that doesn't mean real world differences or benefit of value. An increase of 1% or 2% that met the statistical significance in the study is in reality is a minimal difference in a blood test and means nothing in terms of derived benefit in the gym.
So again, your just taking a blood test at two times isn't really of value. It's useless data. It's just as useless to, "Point you to a post or 'study' that someone tried from the same stack?" N=1 data isn't valuable and doesn't mean anything because it is uncontrolled. If you know what controlled studies are an how they work, then you'd understand why N=1 is pointless. Further, pretending that my uncontrolled N=1 data is either confirmation or contradictory of a study's results is equally ridiculous.
Edit because you added a bunch of stuff:
Not true. Unless we both are at a caloric deficit to TDEE, we are not both going to lose weight. Again, those variables of metabolism and intake of food. And lol @ body types. In before ****totypes are real.
LOL. Still laughing. There is no broscience here. The basis of broscience has always been people thinking their N=1 around some context of a study. You're missing the point that there are uncontrolled variables, but hey. You're going to do you. Good luck with your wallet deficit goals in 2021."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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02-12-2021, 03:26 PM #29
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Are you being daft on purpose? If a controlled study shows a 1% difference, and if we look at average baseline of the normal range of 670 ng/dl, then you're looking at 6.7 ng/dl improvement. That's nothing and would not produce any real world benefit. Even a 5% improvement within the study is 33.g ng/dl difference. Still not changing anything. Again, this in the normal range.
A blood test may show you a difference, but the actual benefit of that difference isn't going to be realized.
A) Because it's not that big of a difference; and
B) Even if it were, you'd have to have some objective measure to show that it's actually beneficial to increase your already normal testosterone.
How is that broscience? I don't think you know what that term means. Further, the only way to make your ridiculous point is to create an extreme situation to make it. Regardless, it doesn't prove what you're saying to be true, at all. How do you know what subject A and B are eating? Subject A could eat huge quantities of food, because he doesn't want to lose weight. There are plenty of athletes that train for extended periods of time and don't lose weight. But now here we are talking in N=1 land.
This is why N=1 is pointless, regardless of whether or not you think a PhD matters here.
Why do you keep editing? No one cares about your health. That's your issue. If you look at many of the studies on the ingredients of your list on examine, you'll see that most just meet statistical significance which is around 1% depending on what the authors of the study decided. Since we agree that 1-2% is worthless, we don't need time to tell. We know it to be worthless."I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate..."
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