Noteworthy:
- The weights for the exercises are set heavy so that I can only possibly push out the reps given, and no more.
- All exercises have a 3-minute rest period unless otherwise stated.
- Warm-up before all days is static stretching, ~70 high knees and ~70 heel kicks.
- Cool-down after each day is static stretching.
- Every exercise consists of 3 sets.
M: BACK AND BICEPS
- Deadlift (controlled descent, chalk) 6 reps
- Chin ups (bodyweight) 4 reps
- Barbell Rows 6 reps
- Pulldowns 6 reps
- Barbell bicep curls 6 reps
- Dumbbell bicep curls 6 reps
- Hammer curls 6 reps
TU: CHEST AND TRICEPS
- Barbell Bench press 6 reps
- Barbell incline bench 6 reps
- Dips (bodyweight) 9 reps
- Cable chest flys 12 reps
3 sets of:
- Rope triceps pushdown 10 reps. NO REST
- Straight bar triceps pushdown palms facing away 10 reps. NO REST
- Straight bar triceps pushdown palms facing me 10 reps. 3 MINUTE REST
TH: LEGS
- Back Squats (slow descent) 6 reps
- Stiff legged deadlift (slow descent) 6 reps
- Reverse dumbbell Lunges 20 reps (10 each leg)
- Calf raises 18 reps
- Front squat flexibility training
F: Shoulders
- Shoulder press 6 reps
- Arnold press 6 reps
- Kettlebell upright rows (hold 4 seconds at top) 12 reps
- Seated bent over lateral raises 10 reps
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I'm thinking of adding planks.
Open to critique
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11-20-2019, 02:36 PM #1
Rate my workout for Size and strength
Last edited by Nuthead007; 11-21-2019 at 04:54 AM. Reason: Cable flys not cable pulls*
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11-20-2019, 02:55 PM #2
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11-20-2019, 03:16 PM #5
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11-20-2019, 04:12 PM #7
Never knew that about static stretching. Thanks for info.
Why do you chalk for main lifts? I've only been chalking for deadlifting because I can't hold onto the bar at heavy weight. I never feel like the bar during squats is going to slip for example.
I used to do full body exercises just always the main compound exercises but it got boring. What specifically about the program is bad? I tried to incorporate compound movements so that I was working the same muscles more than one day a week. If I added front squats to Monday would that help alleviate the problem?
Keep in mind I am working arms so much since they are a weakness ^.
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11-20-2019, 04:26 PM #8
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11-20-2019, 04:35 PM #9
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11-21-2019, 03:33 AM #10
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11-21-2019, 03:41 AM #11
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11-21-2019, 04:54 AM #12
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11-21-2019, 05:42 AM #13
In terms of volume, do you mean that I am doing too many exercises that use little weight?
Or do you think 3 sets are too low even though I am going until exhaustion on those sets?
Are squats the one you think I am missing out on the most? Or do you think that there is too much pushing and not enough pulling?
If we focus on arms (bis and tris), do you mean that the routine given is in opposition growing them since they are being worked too hard to grow?
Or do you mean that I would be better focusing on bigger movements?
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11-21-2019, 07:19 AM #14
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11-21-2019, 07:54 AM #15
According to [strength level dot com] my bicep curls are less than 1 star (beginner). I am stronger than 2% of male lifters my age if I set DB curls to 15kg 6 repitions.
Everything else is two stars. I am stronger than around 33% of people my age and weight. Squat is 2 almost 3 stars, and I squat more than 36% of lifters my age and weight group.
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11-21-2019, 08:11 AM #16
The numbers for bicep curls are spotty and sparse. That's because most lifters don't care enough about it to submit and rate numbers.
That means you're well below average in everything.
Just put my numbers in strengthlevel.com. 55% for bench and 90% for squat but I don't think I'm all that imbalanced.Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:16
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11-21-2019, 04:11 PM #17
I agree that the numbers for bicep curls are probably sparse, but that doesn't mean that they are lower than the actual numbers of larger samples of people. It could be higher just as easily. Or it could be the same.
There is an even chance of the real numbers being higher, rather than lower.
Even if by coincidence the real bicep curl numbers from large samples were lower, it is extremely unlikely that it would make up the difference between top 2% and top 33%.
Also to add the difference in muscle size/proportion is noticeable from an aesthetic point of view.
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11-21-2019, 04:56 PM #18
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11-21-2019, 05:51 PM #20
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11-22-2019, 08:44 AM #22
It's because when you row 150 pounds, your biceps are coming along for the ride, holding 150 pounds. As opposed to the 30 pounds you curl. Your muscles respond to tension, which is going to be higher on compound movements. Although strangely I have always been able to tricep pushdown more than I can bench/ ohp. I don't think that's normal.
The second answer is basically the same. You can't curl enough weight to make any reasonable difference in 6 reps. Those are really four pump work. Curls don't make you strong. 4-5 month's of only sporadically doing a set of curls before I leave and pushing(heh) my pulls has left me with better(though still pretty marginal at this point) bicep development than years of doing curls in the squat rack for an hour a day
Let's see, I'm about 75kg, I do 50 pullups within 10 minutes, I can do 15 in the first set. Last time I did curls was with 7 pound dumbbells. That seems to be the trend with the guys who are actually strong, where the weakling has 100 pounds on the curl bar and using hip drive to lift it. I saw a gut yesterday deadlifting 3 plates who went on to do curls with 2kg on each side... so like 25kg
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11-22-2019, 09:17 AM #23
Thanks for the response.
I see what you are saying about the heavier weight under your biceps. But I don't think the logic is very sound. If I am rowing 150 pounds my biceps are not working 150 pounds of that muscle at any point, they may be working 30 lbs and my back muscles will be working the other 120 lbs. So it's really the same in terms of weight. Furthermore, if it is your back that tires first (if you are repping out to max) then you are not fully working the bicep muscle. Whereas if I do bicep curls I go to max repetitions and fully work out the muscle. So in terms of a 1 to 1 ratio it's far better to do bicep curls to grow strength or size.
I see alot of people always talking about volume, but to me this logic is only a means to an end and it doesn't make sense in circumstances like this. If looking at an overall workout and saying the volume is low then this makes sense since you are including all muscles, but looking at a small muscle like the bicep which is only like a sixth the size of your quads and saying that it should lift more than a sixth of the weight you lift in quad movements doesn't make sense to me (made up fraction).
In terms of your personal experience, don't you think curling for an hour a day was overworking the muscle and this had an impact on your bicep growth?
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11-22-2019, 10:16 AM #24
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11-22-2019, 11:51 AM #25
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11-22-2019, 12:20 PM #26
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11-22-2019, 12:22 PM #27
Well, this didn't work for me. I had an unfortunate opportunity to start lifting from scratch few times.
One time was going with advice same as yours - arms was skinny as hell.
While on another occassion, besides compounds, I did lots of various curls - hammer curls, supinated curls, reverse curls. And guess what? I made way faster progress.
So, IMO compounds + plenty of isos. (It's ridiculous that on BB forum people despise isolations_
Although I do not encourage half-assing leg training.
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