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02-27-2021, 06:43 PM #1351Baltimore Orioles
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02-27-2021, 06:44 PM #1352480s / 370b / 495d / 235 x 2 SOHP
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02-27-2021, 06:45 PM #1353
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02-27-2021, 06:45 PM #1354
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02-27-2021, 06:48 PM #1355
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02-27-2021, 06:56 PM #1356
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02-27-2021, 07:00 PM #1357
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02-27-2021, 07:22 PM #1358
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02-27-2021, 07:34 PM #1359
The ATF defines a straw purchase as "Buying a gun for someone who is prohibited by law from possessing one or for someone who does not want his or her name associated with the transaction is a "straw purchase."
And you would need to be convicted by a jury. Who is going to convict someone for having guns at their parents house?
No need for fear mongering
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02-27-2021, 07:39 PM #1360
Linuxjohn banned, how'd that happen?
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02-27-2021, 07:41 PM #1361
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02-27-2021, 07:46 PM #1362
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02-27-2021, 08:08 PM #1363
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02-27-2021, 08:12 PM #1364
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If person A gives money to person B, and person B buys a firearm at an FFL for person A, that is a straw purchase and is illegal. It does not matter if both parties can lawfully possess the firearm, it does not matter if both parties can easily pass the background check, it does not even matter if the transfer from person B to person A is done through an FFL after the initial purchase. It is flat out illegal and you just might get fukked. Which is why it's a great idea to make people aware of this law when they post online about intent to break it.
"Who is going to convict" is a piss poor excuse to break a totally avoidable serious federal law.
If the poster in question bought a gun at the FFL with the intent of giving it to his parents to keep at their house, that poster risks, at the very least, losing his RKBA for years if not for life.
Please see Abramski v. United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramski_v._United_StatesLast edited by Farley1324; 02-27-2021 at 08:18 PM.
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02-28-2021, 05:28 AM #1365
Don't let your brother borrow your assault rifle. Got it.
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02-28-2021, 05:39 AM #1366
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02-28-2021, 05:53 AM #1367
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02-28-2021, 06:01 AM #1368
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02-28-2021, 06:11 AM #1369
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02-28-2021, 06:14 AM #1370
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02-28-2021, 06:21 AM #1371
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Unfortunately you would simply be found guilty and it wouldn't make it to SCOTUS. They aren't even taking the 2A cases they need to, no way they revisit such a recent case and overturn straw purchase laws.
But, fortunately, this one is pretty easy to avoid once you realize that straw purchase laws are openly being used to further registration efforts
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02-28-2021, 06:26 AM #1372
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02-28-2021, 06:32 AM #1373
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02-28-2021, 06:33 AM #1374
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02-28-2021, 06:34 AM #1376
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Jury isn't going to nullify that law.
But of course you could get a jury trial.
And then the judge will sentence you after the jury comes back guilty, which could be years in prison. Probably why Abramski (IIRC) plead and got years of probation (still not good at all) instead of years of prison (life threatening)
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02-28-2021, 06:47 AM #1377
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02-28-2021, 06:54 AM #1378
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You are referring to a case in which the defendant (a 100% combat disabled marine) did not break the law, and was thus (thanks to that and top notch pro bono defense and a former ATF employee testifying for the defense as an expert witness) found not guilty.
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com...ol-brace-case/
This case does not in any way represent what one would expect if they violated the straw purchase laws
This case is, however, an example of how the federal government might try to put you in prison for years based on arbitrary and capricious BS they make up as they go along
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02-28-2021, 07:50 AM #1379
That 2014 SCOTUS would have considered that brace a buttstock. For them on the case you cited, it was about the end result. They would have considered him to have broken the SBR law. Jury most certainly let him off as the evidence (I read the case at the time) was against him. They just showed the ATF acting like a politician, taking waffling stances.
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02-28-2021, 07:54 AM #1380
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The jury found that he had not broken the law, because he didn't. That case is not in any way what a person should expect from the court system if they violate the straw purchase laws.
It's hard to conjecture what SCOTUS would rule regarding a pistol brace in 2014 because they hadn't truly hit the stage yet at that time.
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