The Tesla 'Model 3' is the cheapest electric car that's American made $35,000

[johntt1994]

https://youtu.be/qE5cLECGcQQ

I definitely want to get one.

Edit: The cheapest electric car overall is the Mini Cooper SE which is $29900 but it's only a 2 door.

The cheapest 4 door is the Nissan leaf which is $31,600

[tunafishha]

Chit tier car.

And its not really 35k.

[SirFapsAIot]

https://youtu.be/qE5cLECGcQQ

I definitely want to get one.

it's also hideous, like every other Tesla car

Chit tier car.

And its not really 35k.

stfu, bitch

[johntt1994]

The cheapest electric car overall is the Mini Cooper SE which is $29900 but it's only a 2 door.

The cheapest 4 door is the Nissan leaf which is $31,600

[Jasonw1178]

Still a lot of money for a car of it's caliber and any amount of money you save in fuel will be reversed with battery deterioration and extra depreciation especially as the novelty of having an EV is already wearing off.

Nissan LEAF is cheaper and is made in the US. Kind of gets me how Nissan was the first out with a real EV mass sold but failed to do anything with it for a long time and the newer leafs really aren't that much of an improvement. Although they have a new Electric crossover, kind of like a Murano but electric.

[MyBaddBrah]

Still a lot of money for a car of it's caliber and any amount of money you save in fuel will be reversed with battery deterioration and extra depreciation especially as the novelty of having an EV is already wearing off.

Nissan LEAF is cheaper and is made in the US. Kind of gets me how Nissan was the first out with a real EV mass sold but failed to do anything with it for a long time and the newer leafs really aren't that much of an improvement. Although they have a new Electric crossover, kind of like a Murano but electric.

Not sure if srs, batteries last like 100,000 miles minimum, the first one around 200k. Depreciation you buy a lower mileage 3-4 years used one. Teslas are far cheaper than other cars, especially considering the performance.

[Gizzyhardcore]

lol its a god tier car, misc is so fn dumb sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rMJRJFiG4

[Hector002]

Model 3 Performance is probably best price for performance car. 0-60 in 3.1 seconds for only 55k

[waisoserious]

Still a lot of money for a car of it's caliber and any amount of money you save in fuel will be reversed with battery deterioration and extra depreciation especially as the novelty of having an EV is already wearing off.

Nissan LEAF is cheaper and is made in the US. Kind of gets me how Nissan was the first out with a real EV mass sold but failed to do anything with it for a long time and the newer leafs really aren't that much of an improvement. Although they have a new Electric crossover, kind of like a Murano but electric.

I hear this battery argument alot. But the Tesla battery warranty is 8 years. If at any time your battery health degrades past 70% in 8 years, they will replace your battery.

Also people have driven well over 300k miles with the battery health still well over 90% based on charge range.

[waisoserious]

it's also hideous, like every other Tesla car



stfu, bitch

The Model S is a very good looking car.

[tunafishha]

The Model S is a very good looking car.

It looks like it was designed by a goodie tooshoe.

[Jasonw1178]

Not sure if srs, batteries last like 100,000 miles minimum, the first one around 200k. Depreciation you buy a lower mileage 3-4 years used one. Teslas are far cheaper than other cars, especially considering the performance.

I hear this battery argument alot. But the Tesla battery warranty is 8 years. If at any time your battery health degrades past 70% in 8 years, they will replace your battery.

Also people have driven well over 300k miles with the battery health still well over 90% based on charge range.

I'm an EV tech at a Nissan dealer and get sent other EV's such as Teslas because we do know about those too. I don't know as much as guys who real internet forums. magazines, and have conversations with other car guys, but I'm just a tech, car guys know everything.

I don't get people who pay more for a vehicle to save gas, and then to top that batteries do deteriorate and the percentage can be misleading. Lets say a new battery that has 100% can get 100 miles. It deteriorates to 70%. It reduces to 40-50 miles range, not 70 miles. Another strange thing about battery life is it's odd how some go on for a long time, while others don't last long at all. There are factors that go into this but I've seen one's where the owners do everything right and still they don't last what they should. I don't care that someone made it 300K and had 90% left. It's like the P90X infomercials where guys go from dad bod to greek god in 90 days. Sure it's happened but there are probably things they aren't telling you and "individual results may vary". I like Teslas for the most part but I don't believe they are these God tier cars and the bang for the buck isn't that good to me. Performance, first time driving, you are like OMG, but for some reason, it gets old fast. It's like yeah it goes fast, but not very exciting. Tesla is ahead of their time but it's not where it needs to be. I'd say in about 10 years they will have EV's that are truely better but that's everthing. Not here to argue, but it's I don't want to see anyone get caught up in the hype from these enthusiast gurus who like to paint things as being so great when it's really not. People talk them up but not many own them.

[JayJ350]

If you want one just get one, tired of people trying to flex their chitty Tesla cars.

[JayJ350]

I hear this battery argument alot. But the Tesla battery warranty is 8 years. If at any time your battery health degrades past 70% in 8 years, they will replace your battery.

Also people have driven well over 300k miles with the battery health still well over 90% based on charge range.

Lol 8 years is pretty much how long the batteries are going to last before you run into any problems. Around the 10 year mark expect them to need replacing, but Tesla ain't gonna cover that because they did the whole 8 year thing to make you feel good despite that being the low risk time period for them.

[Jasonw1178]

If you want one just get one, tired of people trying to flex their chitty Tesla cars.

Note how many Tesla fans don't own them. They just like the idea.

Lol 8 years is pretty much how long the batteries are going to last before you run into any problems. Around the 10 year mark expect them to need replacing, but Tesla ain't gonna cover that because they did the whole 8 year thing to make you feel good despite that being the low risk time period for them.

Yeah, 8-10yo vehicle ins't an old vehicle and those batteries are expensive. Oh, and these guys that talk about batter rejuvination places... it's a borderline scam. I know what they do and it will restore some of the life but it doesn't last. Finally, people who think they are going to change them themselves. Okay, lets see that. Not that it's so hard, but when you are dealing with things that have government/EPA funding and involvement, the paperwork, then registering it to the car. I don't care what you saw on Youtube or hear some guy say, or what you read in a magazine. So much they aren't telling you and a lot of it is complete BS and lies. We can also talk about the other components around the car, such as the inverters and drive motor units, decoders. Even the A/C compressors, brake boosters, and other components are not only more finicky but also very expensive.

[dannyg1217]

Then you add options and get to 50k

[waisoserious]

I'm an EV tech at a Nissan dealer and get sent other EV's such as Teslas because we do know about those too. I don't know as much as guys who real internet forums. magazines, and have conversations with other car guys, but I'm just a tech, car guys know everything.

I don't get people who pay more for a vehicle to save gas, and then to top that batteries do deteriorate and the percentage can be misleading. Lets say a new battery that has 100% can get 100 miles. It deteriorates to 70%. It reduces to 40-50 miles range, not 70 miles. Another strange thing about battery life is it's odd how some go on for a long time, while others don't last long at all. There are factors that go into this but I've seen one's where the owners do everything right and still they don't last what they should. I don't care that someone made it 300K and had 90% left. It's like the P90X infomercials where guys go from dad bod to greek god in 90 days. Sure it's happened but there are probably things they aren't telling you and "individual results may vary". I like Teslas for the most part but I don't believe they are these God tier cars and the bang for the buck isn't that good to me. Performance, first time driving, you are like OMG, but for some reason, it gets old fast. It's like yeah it goes fast, but not very exciting. Tesla is ahead of their time but it's not where it needs to be. I'd say in about 10 years they will have EV's that are truely better but that's everthing. Not here to argue, but it's I don't want to see anyone get caught up in the hype from these enthusiast gurus who like to paint things as being so great when it's really not. People talk them up but not many own them.

The appeal of owning a fast EV isnt just to safe money on gas. You are primarily comparing against what else you get for the amount of money you want to spend. For the price, Teslas just give you more for your money than most other options. This includes over 100k.

Nobody buys a 50k 70k 100k EV to save money on gas (Atleast not in the US). But they would spend the 50k 70k and 100k if it was gonna come with alot of options, can charge at home, and is faster than a 330i, m3 or m5 (atleast in the 1/4 mile or any fathomable speeds youd be able to reach on the street). Even if the 100k Tesla can beat a 200k car in the quarter mile, would I spend 200k on the Tesla? No I wouldnt. But I would spend 100k. Because it was better than anything else available at 100k (imo).

For 35k, would I buy a TLX or a Model 3. Id probably buy the model 3. The TLX at 35k is FWD and slow AF. Also the infotainment is ancient. Why wouldnt you just buy a model 3?

Beyond just gas, it is pretty convenient to charge at home or office. If you gave me the choice of charging at home or office for free and occassionally (like 2-3 times a year) spending 1 hour at a supercharging station vs paying 60USD every week for gas, I'd charge at home. Just plug it in when you get to the office or while you sleep.

Regarding range, I think most people are smart enough to know that batteries deteriorate over time but I would really really hard pressed to believe that any battery pack of any EV made within the past 5 years (when EVs really started to get popular) would be deteriorating to only 70% capacity within 100k miles. And if it does happen within 100k miles or within 8 years it is still under warranty. If it happens again within another few years and your 100k car is only worth as much as a 15k salavage, well then basically any non collectable 100k car you drive for 100k or 150k miles is gonna be worth that as well. So this isnt really an issue.

Also regarding range/battery: You can choose to display battery%, ideal range, or range based on how you drive. Range based on how you drive is pretty accurate from what I can tell. But each of the 3 would deplete at the same pace so it would be really really easy to see if your battery has degraded beyond 70%.

Also, I think most miscers dont realize cars are just really really really insanely cheap in the US and so is the road tax and gas guzzer tax. Its really really really cheap to own a nice car in the US. In asian countries, every german car costs double what it costs in the US and insurance and year tax is like 5x more expensive as well. In Singapore a simple new Toyota Camary can cost like 200k USD after all is said and done.

In Taiwan for example, the Model S P100D cost me about 130k USD. For the same cost my other options would be base Cayenne or a 540i??? You decide.

Also with EV's, atleast Tesla's, there way less standard maintenance, because you dont need to pay for an oil change every 10k kilometers or what not.
I cant speak for non Tesla EV's as I have never owned or driven one. But also I have no idea why anybody would ever buy a non tesla EV. I do not see the appeal in it at all. Even the Taycan Turbo S. It costs 180k. Yea its fast but at 180k Id rather buy a ICE vehicle that probably goes equally fast or faster in the 1/4 mile. The Turbo S only traps at like 127mph for a 180k car. Which is really fast isnt mind blowing for 180k. Cause like I said, nobody is buying an expensive EV to save money as their primary motivation.

My family has alot of cars, including 2 Teslas. A Model S P100D and a Model X P100D. The ownership experience so far has been pretty good after half a year and 3 years. Comparing it with the ownership experience of an AMG or 7 series or S class, the Teslas have been pretty good so far.

Honestly I think most people with a bad opinion of EV's either have never owned 1, driven 1 or are just plain misinformed.

Edit: after looking at the Tesla US website, the Model 3 performance isnt even 70k like I thought. Its 55k after all the mandatory options (premium interior/entertainment options but without full autopilot etc). The M340i is 54k starting without options. 1 goes 0-60 in 3.1 and the other goes 0-60 in 4.5. Also BMW isnt really synonymous with reliability or resale value after 100k miles either.

Im a car guy also. Before picking the Model S, I was hoping to find a 2012-2014 P30 C63 Wagon. It would have also cost like 90k USD less than the Model S here as well. But I couldnt 1 and I didnt want to deal with the potential repairs incase I got a bad car. So for the money I was looking to spend it was the P100D or a 540i or a E53 or something along that line. So I picked the P100D. Even now I still think about how much fun the P30 C63 would have been. I might still get 1 in 2-3 years as a 2nd car if I can find a clean 1 at a reasonable price. But the road and gas tax would cost me $2950USD YEARLY just for the exhaust sound which is all that I want it for. Cause compared to my other cars, its slow.

[waisoserious]

It looks like it was designed by a goodie tooshoe.

ok bro. what do you drive? a tercel? lmao

[MyBaddBrah]

I'm an EV tech at a Nissan dealer and get sent other EV's such as Teslas because we do know about those too. I don't know as much as guys who real internet forums. magazines, and have conversations with other car guys, but I'm just a tech, car guys know everything.

I don't get people who pay more for a vehicle to save gas, and then to top that batteries do deteriorate and the percentage can be misleading. Lets say a new battery that has 100% can get 100 miles. It deteriorates to 70%. It reduces to 40-50 miles range, not 70 miles. Another strange thing about battery life is it's odd how some go on for a long time, while others don't last long at all. There are factors that go into this but I've seen one's where the owners do everything right and still they don't last what they should. I don't care that someone made it 300K and had 90% left. It's like the P90X infomercials where guys go from dad bod to greek god in 90 days. Sure it's happened but there are probably things they aren't telling you and "individual results may vary". I like Teslas for the most part but I don't believe they are these God tier cars and the bang for the buck isn't that good to me. Performance, first time driving, you are like OMG, but for some reason, it gets old fast. It's like yeah it goes fast, but not very exciting. Tesla is ahead of their time but it's not where it needs to be. I'd say in about 10 years they will have EV's that are truely better but that's everthing. Not here to argue, but it's I don't want to see anyone get caught up in the hype from these enthusiast gurus who like to paint things as being so great when it's really not. People talk them up but not many own them.

Serious question for your expertise.. I'm not judging either way. What do you think when they put charts out like these? There's a lot of bias out there when it comes to Teslas. It's almost there's emerged two teams like NFL teams fighting at the superbowl, team gas and team EV. Each side is just doing everything they can to trash the other side, without honestly discussing the facts.

[Jasonw1178]

Serious question for your expertise.. I'm not judging either way. What do you think when they put charts out like these? There's a lot of bias out there when it comes to Teslas. It's almost there's emerged two teams like NFL teams fighting at the superbowl, team gas and team EV. Each side is just doing everything they can to trash the other side, without honestly discussing the facts.

Not sure all of what that chart is including. Maintenance? Are these covered under warranty? Age of vehicle? Tires included? So many questions. True that maintenance on EV's is very cheap, and they are pretty reliable. It's just when they do break, they are really expensive to fix but it's getting like that with all cars now. I owned a Leaf for a year and it was a great car, but not me. I live EV's and they are the way of the future. It's all about pro's and cons. I'm just speaking my peace because I'm not against them, it's just that it isn't all gravy, they are no ultimate car. I did look up customer retention on the Tesla's and it is very high which tells you a lot.

[kovalchuk71]

Until solid state batteries are used, EVs are a waste of money.