dc-is this correct?

**eggy_wont_grow** · 08-23-2004, 05:04 AM

heya
jus wanna make sure i understand dogcrapp fully b4 i start it.

with larger muscles u use like 4 sets of warmups, 12 reps, 8, 6 and finally 4, and none are 2 failure. with smaller muscles u use 2 sets, again, none 2 failure. with ur 1 working set, u have 8 reps 2 failure, 15 deep breaths, and with the same weight u attempt 1-3 reps until failure, then u go straight in2 the static hold. does tht sound about right? also, how would u go in2 static holds with lifts like squats? would u just squat down halfway and hold it there? wat about deadlift? yeh, thts about it. cheers for every1 who gives constructive replies.

got DC?

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by eggy_wont_grow
with ur 1 working set, u have 8 reps 2 failure, 15 deep breaths, and with the same weight u attempt 1-3 reps until failure, then u go straight in2 the static hold. does tht sound about right? also, how would u go in2 static holds with lifts like squats? would u just squat down halfway and hold it there? wat about deadlift?

I'm not entirely up to speed on DC training, but I thought the basic principle was to use RP sets up to about 15 reps, rather than a 10 rep RP set with a static hold at the end...Like I said though, I haven't looked at it in too much detail...

**Chasedog** · 08-23-2004, 06:29 AM

Close.

You have three lifts to failure plus a static so it's like this:
Warm-ups...
lift till failure
15 breaths
lift till failure
15 breaths
lift till failure
15 breaths
static hold

You don't rest pause or use statics on quads or back thickness. It's just too dangerous.

For quads one set of 4-8 reps and then one set of 20 reps.

For deadlifts one set of 5-8 and one heavier set of 3-4.

Hope this helps.

**USMuscle9403** · 08-23-2004, 08:47 AM

Please do some more reading. I honestly think you are nowhere near experienced or knowledgeable enough about the program to start it. DC does not want inexperienced bodybuilders trying this program for many reasons and you just stated one of them. I would highly recommend during a regular split and building a better foundation and knowing more about your body than going ahead and trying this program.

**w00t** · 08-23-2004, 09:46 AM

I agree with US Muscle. I am currently a trainee of Dante's, and you need to be more expirienced and have more knowledge (CORRECT KNOWLEDGE) about his program, and how it works. The reason DC is so phenominal is because you listen to Dante, and you do EXACTLY as he says. Its the combination of everything put together in the way that it is, and if you are missing just one little part of it, it wont work to well for ya.

oh, and Chasedog, you are incorrect.

**USMuscle9403** · 08-23-2004, 10:15 AM

Let me clarify that these statements were made by Dante himself at one point in time or another. These are not just made up by me with a 'Im better than you' attitude. The extra years of experience also allow you to be a master of your own body, something that is just not possible with only a couple year's training. Trust me on this.

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by USMuscle9403
Let me clarify that these statements were made by Dante himself at one point in time or another. These are not just made up by me with a 'Im better than you' attitude. The extra years of experience also allow you to be a master of your own body, something that is just not possible with only a couple year's training. Trust me on this.

How long have you been training USmuscle? I notice you're only 19 years old. Also, how long have you been using DC?

**LostProphet** · 08-23-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by USMuscle9403
Please do some more reading. I honestly think you are nowhere near experienced or knowledgeable enough about the program to start it. DC does not want inexperienced bodybuilders trying this program for many reasons and you just stated one of them. I would highly recommend during a regular split and building a better foundation and knowing more about your body than going ahead and trying this program.

Agreed. Do some more reading. For a start he doesn't recommend rest pause sets when you first start out, he recommends you use just a straight set to failure in order to judge recovery ability.

Warmups are down to personal preference from what I gather, do as many sets as you need to in order to get ready for the big set. You should not be getting taxed in the warmups, should be nowhere near failure.....they're warmups thats all.

I am thinking of getting together the info and making a sticky here and in workout program section, of course would get Dante's permission first.

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by LostProphet
I am thinking of getting together the info and making a sticky here and in workout program section, of course would get Dante's permission first.

That is going to cause a lot of problems, just to let you know.

**LostProphet** · 08-23-2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Heisman
That is going to cause a lot of problems, just to let you know.

Care to enlighten me mate ??

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by LostProphet
Care to enlighten me mate ??

I think he means that Dante won't be too willing for that to happen. He's said some bad things about this place, and had bad things said to him. I believe he stated that he did not want anybody from bb.com doing his routine...

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by LostProphet
Care to enlighten me mate ??

It's just the attitude of all of the workout sections of the board (minus powerlifting/sports training - DC doesn't apply to them at all). I just have a feeling that it will cause a big riff between everybody. Also, there are already huge threads elsewhere that deal with DC, and other places where DC and all of his trainees post that people could go to. And, like has been stated in this thread, you should be advanced/ know your body well to try DC. That certainly doesn't match 90% of the people who post here.

Now, a sticky on olympic lifting would be really nice to have, since there is nothing about O-lifting on thie board, but that just might be wishful thinking on my part.

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Heisman
Now, a sticky on olympic lifting would be really nice to have, since there is nothing about O-lifting on thie board, but that just might be wishful thinking on my part.

I'll second that idea. Especially with my new o-lifting platforms

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Davesta
I think he means that Dante won't be too willing for that to happen. He's said some bad things about this place, and had bad things said to him. I believe he stated that he did not want anybody from bb.com doing his routine...

I had forgotten about that thread. Funny thing though; Kyle played a big part of it. It's a good thing they never finalized anything on that meet; Kyle wouldn't stand a chance now.

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Heisman
I had forgotten about that thread. Funny thing though; Kyle played a big part of it. It's a good thing they never finalized anything on that meet; Kyle wouldn't stand a chance now.

How's Kyle doing now? Have you heard anything since the accident?

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Davesta
How's Kyle doing now? Have you heard anything since the accident?

No I haven't. It's weird; he obviously isn't working now.

Get well soon FortifiedIron.

**USMuscle9403** · 08-23-2004, 11:04 AM

Davesta, I have been training 7 years now and have been going at DC for 5-6 months now. I have gained 44lbs in that timeframe

**Davesta** · 08-23-2004, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by USMuscle9403
Davesta, I have been training 7 years now and have been going at DC for 5-6 months now. I have gained 44lbs in that timeframe

Jesus! I wish I started when I was 12! I'm assuming most of that 44lbs is muscle from what I've heard from other DCers...

**LostProphet** · 08-23-2004, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Heisman
It's just the attitude of all of the workout sections of the board (minus powerlifting/sports training - DC doesn't apply to them at all). I just have a feeling that it will cause a big riff between everybody. Also, there are already huge threads elsewhere that deal with DC, and other places where DC and all of his trainees post that people could go to. And, like has been stated in this thread, you should be advanced/ know your body well to try DC. That certainly doesn't match 90% of the people who post here.

Now, a sticky on olympic lifting would be really nice to have, since there is nothing about O-lifting on thie board, but that just might be wishful thinking on my part.

Riff ?? Who cares ? fact is DC's principles make a lot of sense and it would be great for guys to see all the information so they can follow it correctly.

There may be threads everywhere else but thats hardly a reason not to post it here, a lot of people that post here don't visit other forums.

I agree with your point about it being aimed at advanced trainee's, so yeah maybe the teen section is a bad idea.....but can't seem any harm in posting it in the workout program section.

Didn't know there was beef between DC and bb.com, will have to talk to him and get the lowdown......anyone got the link to the thread where he mentions this ??

Cheers.

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by LostProphet
Didn't know there was beef between DC and bb.com, will have to talk to him and get the lowdown......anyone got the link to the thread where he mentions this ??

Cheers.

If it wasn't deleted, run a search for a thread where FortifiedIron, In-Human, and DOGGCRAPP posted. I posted in there too. It was in either the exercise or workout program section and was pretty long (around 10 pages).

**eggy_wont_grow** · 08-23-2004, 12:02 PM

well, i read all tht, and i guess u guys are right. got a fair bit more knowledge than me, so ill stick with a split for now, and we'll see how things go. thnx anyway for the replies!

got dc? nope!

**USMuscle9403** · 08-23-2004, 12:20 PM

Dante didn't really say that he didn't want to train kids from bb.com, he just said that he does not want anything to do with the bb.com boards. He would reject about 95% of the kids on here that would ask for him to train them anyway just due to experience/dedication requirements. I am sure that if you have the experience and you show him that you are truly into this with all your heart that he will accept you if he doesn't have too many clients.

**eggy_wont_grow** · 08-23-2004, 12:24 PM

OK Update, I dunno how any more fu cking clear I can be. I am STILL getting anywhere from 10-20 people a day just asking 'questions'. I don't have time for that and I refuse to do it. If you want PTing, we can discuss that. But no, if you just have a 'couple questions', don't IM me. I'll just block you immediately.

if thts directed at me, then my bad. i thought u meant no q's such as "ur a p.t i want u to train me/gimme advice". no worries, wont happen again. *apologises*

got summin 2 put here?

**RACKITUP** · 08-23-2004, 12:26 PM

Hmmm....my predication is following its scheduled path!!

"within a year the MAJORITY of people on this board and others WILL be doing DC training----and for good reason"

**USMuscle9403** · 08-23-2004, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by eggy_wont_grow
OK Update, I dunno how any more fu cking clear I can be. I am STILL getting anywhere from 10-20 people a day just asking 'questions'. I don't have time for that and I refuse to do it. If you want PTing, we can discuss that. But no, if you just have a 'couple questions', don't IM me. I'll just block you immediately.

if thts directed at me, then my bad. i thought u meant no q's such as "ur a p.t i want u to train me/gimme advice". no worries, wont happen again. *apologises*

got summin 2 put here?

I'm not quite sure I understand? Did you IM me? If you did and you asked me a bunch of questions, then yea that is directed towards those kinds of people. I love helping people, but I help too many already free of charge over the net on a regular basis. I was getting 20 people a day doing that to me and that was getting really monotonous. I am not an ******* at all, I just hope people understand where I am coming from.

**eggy_wont_grow** · 08-23-2004, 12:43 PM

i) Heavy is relative--it doesn't mean 3 reps --- it means as heavy as you can go on that exercise no matter if it is 5 reps or 50 reps. I personally like to do hack squats for 20 reps but I use about 6 plates on each side rock bottom--that's as heavy as I can go on that exercise for 20 reps. I could do sets of 6 and probably use maybe 8 or 9 plates a side but my legs (and most people I train) grow best from heavy and 8-50 reps. The day you can squat 400LBS for 20 deep reps will be the day you are no longer complaining about your leg size.
i found tht written on the site, but doesnt tht contradict with the 5-8rep 2 max range? he says tht gains in strength/power and such forth equals mucle growth *summin along these lines, im not bothered 2 scroll up and check* where as most ppl here swear by the 5-8 rep range for optimum growth. dont get me wrong, im not questioning him or anything, im just really curious

"they say curiousity kileld the cat" lol, luckily im an egg

got curiousitiy?

**LostProphet** · 08-23-2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by RACKITUP
"within a year the MAJORITY of people on this board and others WILL be doing DC training----and for good reason"

I would actually agree with that. His concepts make a lot of sense to me, I can see why people are getting such great results.

Guys please don't post random extracts from DC training in this thread, I am waiting to hear back from Dante to get the go ahead for an official thread in the workout program section........we can discuss it there.

**DOGGCRAPP** · 08-23-2004, 04:27 PM

I would rather not have my training methods over here. I like helping very hardcore, driven people who seriously want to make things happen fast with their physique, .......and not pipedreamers, chronic arguers, and immature "knowitalls" weighing a buck 58 who never accomplished any kinds of gains themselves..........who try to portray themselves as someone to listen too, when they couldnt even do it themselves.
And Im sorry to say but more so than any other bodybuilding site, the large part of the membership over here are right in that group. Im not saying everyone, I know of some very hardcore knowledgeable bodybuilders with fortitude that are over here and I hope you know to exclude yourself from my generalization. (USmuscle especially)
But by and large I have grown very tired from seeing the constant bashing and arguing over here, especially when it offends someones fragile ego that "there just might be some guy out there named Doggcrapp method's that are making people grow 2x as fast as what everyone else and they are doing"..........99% of the time Ive been directed over here its from someone I know or train emailing me saying "hey they are at it again at BB.com check it out"........so no Im not bringing my bag of tricks over here because I like helping people who like and want my help.............keep your ears open everyone because theres alot of elite people (natural and enhanced) training this way now and you just might find yourself walking to your goals in the future while everyone else is taking the bullet train

**Heisman** · 08-23-2004, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by DOGGCRAPP
I would rather not have my training methods over here. I like helping very hardcore, driven people who seriously want to make things happen fast with their physique, .......and not pipedreamers, chronic arguers, and immature "knowitalls" weighing a buck 58 who never accomplished any kinds of gains themselves..........who try to portray themselves as someone to listen too, when they couldnt even do it themselves.
And Im sorry to say but more so than any other bodybuilding site, the large part of the membership over here are right in that group. Im not saying everyone, I know of some very hardcore knowledgeable bodybuilders with fortitude that are over here and I hope you know to exclude yourself from my generalization. (USmuscle especially)
But by and large I have grown very tired from seeing the constant bashing and arguing over here, especially when it offends someones fragile ego that "there just might be some guy out there named Doggcrapp method's that are making people grow 2x as fast as what everyone else and they are doing"..........99% of the time Ive been directed over here its from someone I know or train emailing me saying "hey they are at it again at BB.com check it out"........so no Im not bringing my bag of tricks over here because I like helping people who like and want my help.............keep your ears open everyone because theres alot of elite people (natural and enhanced) training this way now and you just might find yourself walking to your goals in the future while everyone else is taking the bullet train

Bro, if you have a very secure and strong following everywhere else that you post at (and it seems like you do), then you really have nothing to lose from bringing your stuff over here. It will either work (in which case everyone will be happy), or the people here will mess up and not see gains (in which case you can laugh with all of your followers elsewhere about how bb.com members were so dumb they couldn't make doggcrapp work for them). Besides, there are a lot of people here and you could expand your buisness/personal training (don't know what you call it exactly) with a bunch of people here. And the best part is that there will always be people here who will ask you questions (people here rarely read the stickies- as seen with the number of repetitive questions that are always asked.

You really have nothing to lose, and I'm saying this from a completely objective viewpoint, because I'm an olympic lifter/powerlifter, not a bodybuilder.

**DOGGCRAPP** · 08-23-2004, 04:43 PM

Heisman I dont want to train any more people. I am trying to slow everything down and train 2 people tops a month as thats just work I do on the side. I own a company and that takes a great deal of my time

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