Bent over row. As I’ve progressed through the program I’ve found myself much more parallel with the ground than when I first started. Assume this is more flexibility in my hamstrings?
Is it better to be more horizontal? What are benefits?
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05-24-2021, 04:36 AM #391
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05-24-2021, 08:05 AM #392
We want to be half way inbetween the back parallels row, and the very upright Yates row.
If you are more horizontal, you will not be able to swing as much weight, and will be hitting the the back more. So more back, less shoulder/lat
If you are more upright, you will be able to swing much more weight(excellent dead lift accessory) and get more trap, and will be relieving fatigue from the back.
So its up to you, more core reenforcement with the horizonal. Your back will be the last thing to give out and go into poor form.
Can deadlift more frequently with the yates style. AKA if you are having lower back fatigue issues, you might want to yates it for a while.
Or you can split the difference and do it just bent over, which is the "kinda replacement for the deadlift" that allpro uses.
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05-24-2021, 02:18 PM #393
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05-24-2021, 02:23 PM #394
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05-24-2021, 03:37 PM #395
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05-24-2021, 04:51 PM #396
You are doing one of two things. You are recomping, and greatly increasing your glycogen stores so the muscles look more fluffy. Or you are exchanging visceral (the hard belly fat) fat, for more skin fat (makes your meat tubes thicker, increases endurance, and much more healthier vs visceral). Either way you are showing progress, and in another 6 cycles you may be done. But you need to start cutting, you can "bulk" off that spare tire for a long time.
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05-24-2021, 06:38 PM #397
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05-26-2021, 05:14 PM #398
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05-27-2021, 08:03 AM #399
There are no deloads on allpro, thats why we have a light day each week as a mini deload. If you would like to take a week off (vacation, sick, work, etc) Then you would skip 8 rep week, and reset or start the cycle on 9 rep week. So if you are on 10 rep week, you cant just take a week off and pickup on 11 rep, because you stripped off all the fatigue.
In other news, even if you pass and bump 10%, the following 8 rep week is still technically easier than test week. 9 rep week with a 10% bump is just as hard as the previous test week.
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05-27-2021, 11:35 AM #400
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05-29-2021, 11:26 AM #401
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05-29-2021, 02:06 PM #402
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05-30-2021, 11:39 AM #403
Golfer’s Elbow
I’m dealing with a flare up of Golfer’s Elbow which makes curls painful.
I’ve been using a Theraband FlexBar and it’s been helping.
In the meantime, is it better to substitute hammer curls, which I can do with little discomfort, or just skip the exercise for a bit until I can do it without pain.
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05-30-2021, 03:03 PM #404
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05-31-2021, 06:52 AM #405
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06-01-2021, 07:02 AM #406
Not sure what’s going on with my cut. Seems like such a basic question. But I’m almost 2 months into my cut and I am just not dropping weight. Month 1 I dropped just over 2kg, this month I’ve just plateaued. My lifts are just sticking around 10 reps so I don’t think I can cut more calories. I’m eating 2000 a day, macros all good too. But for some reason can’t get below 82kg.
I would say I’m still 17-18%bf too
What’s the plan here? Do I need to up the cardio you think?
This is driving me mad, because I got down to 76kg in October then bulked to 84kg by March and started the cut in April
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06-01-2021, 09:15 AM #407
Wondering your thoughts on splitting the program into a push-pull split as follows;
M: 100% Bench - Squat - Press
T: 100% Row - Dead Lift - Upright
W: 90% Bench - Squat - Press
Th: 90% Row - Dead Lift - Upright
Fr: 80% Bench - Squat - Press
Sat: 80% Row - Dead Lift - Upright
Sun: Rest
It doesn't provide two days rest total, but does provide two days rest between light and heavy days for each split. Not sure how much this is altering the effectiveness of the program, and I'm interested to hear what you think.
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06-01-2021, 10:24 AM #408
Most successful lifters treat fat/protein like vitamins and keep them fixed throughout the year. Durring the bulk they up the carbs and reduce the cardio to around an hour a week just to keep recovery/conditioning in check. On cuts they drop the carbs, which results in a dramatic water weight loss since its like 4-5 grams of water to float 1 gram of carbs, and they dramatically up the steady state steady state low intensity cardio. This could be as simple as a pedal bike under your desk while having your skype/zoom meetings.
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06-01-2021, 10:28 AM #409
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06-01-2021, 10:36 AM #410
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06-01-2021, 11:17 AM #411
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06-07-2021, 06:24 AM #412
I’m almost certain I need a deload. My recovery is absolutely awful. This is my 8th week on a cut and I am dead. What’s the best option here to minimise any negative impact on any gains?
I managed only 5 reps on squats today,
My cut isn’t even that aggressive, but pretty sure life stress at the moment is having an impact
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06-07-2021, 08:21 AM #413
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06-08-2021, 02:11 AM #414
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06-08-2021, 05:50 AM #415
In a magic simple world, you would just do 1 set of 10 every 2 days, and add just one cup of water to the bar each day, for years, and never have to deload.
Unfortunately once you are past the novice stage it gets tricky to program. In allpros case, the program's progression is way too fast, its weight bumps are way to much, and the volume is too low.
So to make it an intermediate routine, you would have to make the progression "up to" 10x slower, the weight bumps down to 2.5%, and "up to" double the weekly volume.
But yes you could just add another set to the exercises you are stalling on, or add 1-2 sets of accessories at the end of the workout, but thats only going to get you another 3 cycles tops. A well intermediate routine would get you 3-5 years, or even life.
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06-14-2021, 11:09 AM #416
I've been doing greyskull for like half a year with not so amazing progress. It's probably been because of not eating enough, weight has been about the same for months... Started counting calories and ate 2600 kcal for a month but it doesn't seem to be enough. Upped to 2800 the day before yesterday and I'll go 3000 if weight doesn't increase in a week or two. I was thinking about trying a bit different beginner program as well and found this. I think I'm gonna try this, movements are pretty much the same anyway.
I've been doing 3x lift sessions per week and 30 min of stationary bicycle (sub 140 bpm) on other days, so 4x30min of cardio per week, no full rest days. Could this much cardio be detrimental to lifting? I was thinking 2 hours per week isn't that much, but maybe it's interfering with muscle growth?
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06-15-2021, 08:54 AM #417
Im not sure what version of greyskull you are doing, but you could do greyskull core, and then the allpro assessories (OHP,sldl,curl/chinup).
Cardio doesnt kill gains, in increases recovery rate between sets. You are only burning a few hundred extra calories a week with 2 hours of cardio, 500 at best. "you cant outrun a bad diet"
But if you are under eating, or eating just maintaince, its going to take an incredibly long time to "recomp". I tell people on allpro to be going up or down at least 1kg per cycle.
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06-15-2021, 10:26 AM #418
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06-15-2021, 12:34 PM #419
I just read this latest thread and been reading the older one a bit. I just started wondering, my stats are 172 cm / 63-64 kg.
The following are 3x5 sets:
Squat 80 kg (176 lbs). Managed 3x5 83 kg a month ago, but hurt my hands because of bad technique so had to take a break and failed 82 kg this week. I think I'm gonna try high bar, should put less stress on hands.
Bench 50 kg (110 lbs). Got up to 53 kg a few months ago, but failed after that and been stalling around 50 kg since. I've been trying out DB/machines etc. lately.
OHP 36 kg (79 lbs). Worked up to 37 kg several times but always failed and never got past after reducing weight by 10 %.
DL 90 kg (198 lbs). Worked up to 98 kg but failed the set a few months ago. Got discomfort in lower back so didn't really focus on DL, lately been doing RDL around 80 kg.
Started going to gym around last September/October so the weights are not so good considering how long I've been going to the gym. Although I did some random program at the beginning, haven't been eating enough etc. beginner mistakes.
So, I just read in these threads that this program is good if you feel like you're at least 6 months off from benching your bodyweight and 1,25-1,50 x bodyweight in squats. It seems like my squat is kind of getting there but bench/OHP has stagnated very hard. Would you still recommend this program in my case?
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06-15-2021, 12:57 PM #420
Its still the same recomendation. I dont recommend starting a program you wont run for at least 6 months. So your squat you would have to add 5 reps to (its 10 reps of 1,25-1.5x) which is going to take awhile since progression drops alot as you get closer to graduation numbers.
So you could always spend 1-2 cycles cutting while getting used to the program (and hopefully increasing your power to weight ratio) then 3 cycles bulking, and maybe 1 cycle at the end just cutting off the baby fat.
But in just about every program, if the scale ant moving, odds are you are stalling.
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