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    Can a Muslim explain what a "fitra" is or "فطرة

    Trying to figure out why every non Muslim is called a revert. Many people don't think that fitra = Muslim.


    Each child is born in a state of “Fitrah”, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian. It is like the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any (young animal) born mutilated before you mutilate them?”

    Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim
    Why not include Muslim in the sentence? Is that exclusion enough to assume that the statement means everyone is born Muslim?


    Others say the word simply means human instinct or human nature.
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    I don't know but I sense a bit of racial overtone in this thread.
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    They don't answer questions where the answer is obvious and makes Islam look bad.
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    Most of them left already in anticipation of #trump2016
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    Originally Posted by RougeProdigy View Post
    I don't know but I sense a bit of racial overtone in this thread.
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    Originally Posted by RougeProdigy View Post
    I don't know but I sense a bit of racial overtone in this thread.
    Why even bother posting if you have nothing to contribute?

    I could be a Muslim trying to learn something, and it seems like not only do you have nothing to contribute, you are constantly trying to race bait and incite anger from other posters.

    Muslim is not a race btw.
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    fitra is just a state. it means you are completely pure. if you died right then, you have nothing to answer for, straight to the good life

    some people also say its a natural thing that people have which gravitates them towards some kind of god in your life, and as you get older different people find different ways to fill that void
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    Originally Posted by Dude.Jon View Post
    Trying to figure out why every non Muslim is called a revert.
    That everyone is secretly and also somehow unwittingly born into their cult is a baseless and frankly moronic claim that could also be made by every other religion on the planet.
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    This Q/A helps answer to your question. https://islamqa.info/en/11783



    If one is born into a Muslim family, one is Muslim by default. The Prophet said that we are all born on Fitrah, but our parents make us into Jews, Christians and Zoroastrian. You can add to that list, "Muslims, or any other religion."

    As for reverts, the way I see it, a revert is only a revert at the point of accepting Islam. After that, they're a 'normal' Muslim like everyone else.

    The children are born with an innate sense of submission to God, which is called the fitrah. Their parents may then raise them in a particular faith community, and they grow up to be Christians, Buddhists, etc.

    The Prophet Muhammad once said: "No child is born except upon fitrah (i.e. as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a polytheist" (Sahih Muslim).

    Some people, then, see their embrace of Islam as a "return" back to this original, pure faith in our Creator. A common definition of the word "revert" is to "return to a former condition or belief." A revert is returning back to that innate faith that young children innately connect to.
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    Originally Posted by spadelexus View Post
    Most of them left already in anticipation of #trump2016
    Nothing to do with Trump. They left because of the amount of non-stop trolling, attacks and negs etc they receive in the R/P.
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    Originally Posted by A6Ibra View Post
    The Prophet said that we are all born on Fitrah, but our parents make us into Jews, Christians and Zoroastrian. You can add to that list, "Muslims, or any other religion."
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    Nothing to do with Trump. They left because of the amount of non-stop trolling, attacks and negs etc they receive in the R/P.
    Oh really? I thought it had to do with practically all of them getting exposed through various quotes showing that they supported extremist ideas.
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    Originally Posted by Dude.Jon View Post
    Why even bother posting if you have nothing to contribute?



    Muslim is not a race btw.
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    Oh really? I thought it had to do with practically all of them getting exposed through various quotes showing that they supported extremist ideas.
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    Originally Posted by Sakeoe View Post
    Oh really? I thought it had to do with practically all of them getting exposed through various quotes showing that they supported extremist ideas.
    Tbh, no, when I try to explain to miscers why my religion isn't a suicide cult, they just ignore my argument and neg me

    All my negs are from muslim threads so I just stopped bothering
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    Originally Posted by Whitecl4ws View Post
    Tbh, no, when I try to explain to miscers why my religion isn't a suicide cult, they just ignore my argument and neg me

    All my negs are from muslim threads so I just stopped bothering
    tbh yes. All of the big name regular Muzzie posters that everyone knew and recognized have been exposed and have since stopped posting because people just quoted their extremists ideas on every post they made.

    oh, and negged.
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    Originally Posted by Sakeoe View Post
    tbh yes. All of the big name regular Muzzie posters that everyone knew and recognized have been exposed and have since stopped posting because people just quoted their extremists ideas on every post they made.

    oh, and negged.
    Thank you for proving my point phaggot
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    Originally Posted by RougeProdigy View Post
    I don't know but I sense a bit of racial overtone in this thread.
    You would sense "racial overtone" by watch a cat chit in a litter box.
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    Originally Posted by Whitecl4ws View Post
    Tbh, no, when I try to explain to miscers why my religion isn't a suicide cult, they just ignore my argument and neg me
    I should smile and nod politely when you start talking about a belief system that relegates disbelievers such as myself as the "worst of created beings"?
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    Originally Posted by Weightaholic View Post
    I should smile and nod politely when you start talking about a belief system that relegates disbelievers such as myself as the "worst of created beings"?
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