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    I'd rather just give them whatever keeps them...

    I'd rather just give them whatever keeps them training long enough to want to do it for longer.

    Some of us were fine with full body 3x, some needed more volume, some find upper lower or PPL more...
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    How do you determine the lowest amount for...

    How do you determine the lowest amount for maximum benefit? Especially if you avoid volume for the sake of avoidance
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    Either is fine, there's a number of reasons you...

    Either is fine, there's a number of reasons you might be dumping out of the hole a bit from high bar. Could be trying to stay to upright for your build, could be insufficient back tightness and...
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    Detriment to other workouts would be a tolerance...

    Detriment to other workouts would be a tolerance issue, which I've already said is the only thing I think matters.

    I'm not sure what the hoodoo of connection to bodies that we somehow discover at...
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    I'm not convinced 2 is true. I'm not even sure...

    I'm not convinced 2 is true.
    I'm not even sure 1 matters.

    Really all that matters is if you can tolerate that volume at the time.
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    Not needed. Depends on how you are built if they...

    Not needed. Depends on how you are built if they even help.

    Unless you are weightlifting, in which case they are always an advantage.


    You do want good solid contact and no squish.
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    yes and yes Grinding low rep work is probably...

    yes and yes

    Grinding low rep work is probably not productive anyway
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    you don't need to force rep/weight progressions....

    you don't need to force rep/weight progressions.

    You could easily just hit 4 sets going 5, 5, 4, 4
    or you could do 4 sets of 3 @7 and allow weight to climb naturally as you progress.

    you can...
  • in of itself no, it depends on the actual meat of...

    in of itself no, it depends on the actual meat of your programming.
  • Schedules aren't anything, it's just arbitrary...

    Schedules aren't anything, it's just arbitrary muscle groups thrown across the week with no thought as to your actual volume, intensity, frequency etc.

    Any consistent training will get you...
  • None. Schedules are for spreading out volume not...

    None. Schedules are for spreading out volume not the base of programming.

    Helms muscle and strength pyramids is far superior body building literature than any nonsense slapped with Arnie's name to...
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    Everything they are allowed to lift sumo is done...

    Everything they are allowed to lift sumo is done so basically, Tyres, kegs, stones, husafelt, etc.

    The rules dictate barbell is conventional, though the fact that strongman self selects for very...
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    Interesting, since most strongman pick stuff up...

    Interesting, since most strongman pick stuff up semi sumo ;)

    I pull both, slightly stronger sumo but that might because I give sumo more time, sumo is technically far more challenging and that...
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    It's fine tbh, though could probably progress...

    It's fine tbh, though could probably progress quicker with more frequency on the major lifts
  • The only reason order will matter is because you...

    The only reason order will matter is because you can and probably will do isolations quite close to failure and being fatigued before hitting them doesn't matter much.

    You probably don't want to...
  • Ignoring the troll above It's not ideal to hit...

    Ignoring the troll above

    It's not ideal to hit heavy compounds fatigued, but if you need to do it
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    yeah I've ran pretty much every configuration at...

    yeah I've ran pretty much every configuration at some point, But I've never just purely focused deads for a block.
    Might do in future, will see how the rest of the year goes
  • RTS PB 4.2 Sumo Deadlift 130 x 6 @8 140 x 6...

    RTS PB 4.2

    Sumo Deadlift
    130 x 6 @8
    140 x 6 @9

    Larsen Bench
    70 x 10 @7
    77.5 x 10 @8
    80 x 10 @8.5
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    I don't need to be recovered to train again...

    I don't need to be recovered to train again basically, extra rest days can be a thing as and when needed, but that generally doesn't happen without a lot of overshooting or random new stimulus.

    4...
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    back work is gpp, just not programmed strictly. ...

    back work is gpp, just not programmed strictly.

    What's wrong with overlap?
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