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That doesn't make any sense Pat. If 6-Oxo were better then it would be better all around. I have looked at the studies on both of these and to be honest there is a whole lot more showing formestane...

Pat, why would you even introduce a product that from your own mouth you believe to be illegal?

Asianlifter, I agree with you. It would definitely be an eye opener if muscletech came out with these.

Yeah German!

I know five people on the lifting team at my gym. One is on Swole, three are on V12 and one is on VPX. Two of the guys on V12 have used Swole before. I have extensively questioned them on their...

I am actually very surprised by this type of behavior from Pat and I have to admit that I have lost some respect. Its not that Pat came out with Formestane but that he copied Bill's formula to a T...

Licketysplit, I think I will stay away from V12 as there seems to be a lot of bad information about it. Do you have anything to say against Swole? Any experiences?

Herbals will only be so strong. You can always try taraxatone as it probably has a money back guarantee. Let us know how it works for you.

Metrx is a good name so I don't see how you can go wrong.

There's always a bunch of other Ph on the market if this didn't do it for ya.

Thanks for the feedback musclegirl.

Not quite as good but one of the best for sure.

J-Rod, why are other companies then saying this is harmful? Do you think they are just making this up to sling mud? Bobo seemed to be saying that a representative at San even agreed that it could...

I won't go as far as licketysplit on this but it does seem a little weird to me if you start from the beginning and read this thread. You really only see that same few people talking about this...

Maybe the moderators should take a look at their IP addresses and such! I wonder what things would be found out!

Pat and Lickety have hit it straight on the head! kaboom!

Their APM60 sucks though.

LEF is a quality outfit. I have been using their stuff for years and have never had a problem.

You can usually always count on Xenadrine. Molecular or Avant has good prohormones as well as Syntrax.

Jerry Springer all the way.