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    I like to bulk until I start to lose visibility...

    I like to bulk until I start to lose visibility in the upper abs. I feel that for most men that’s a good method to use. I’ve been everywhere from single digit lean in the low 160s (do you even lift...
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    I think Eric helms has an intermediate phat style...

    I think Eric helms has an intermediate phat style template that isn’t stupid ridiculous volume.
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    Do not go back to the novice routine. You can...

    Do not go back to the novice routine. You can stay on the intermediate program for a very long time.
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    Are you looking for a real program? You kind of...

    Are you looking for a real program? You kind of just listed body parts lol..

    All depends on how advanced you are. Level of advancement = years of real training and rotating bulk and cut cycles..
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    Any novice routine. Most people never make it...

    Any novice routine. Most people never make it past intermediate so a “split” isn’t needed.
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    The program you should do completely depends on...

    The program you should do completely depends on your level of advancement. People who run split routines are usually very strong and can’t make it through something like an upper lower without being...
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    As a beginner I mostly ran full body 4 days. Once...

    As a beginner I mostly ran full body 4 days. Once that became overwhelming I moved to an upper lower. Then eventually split routines such as legs, push, pull or a low frequency variation.
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    There’s a sticky thread in the fat loss section...

    There’s a sticky thread in the fat loss section where all the experts estimate bf %. You may get better input there.

    I’d say roughly 17%.
  • I recently watched a video where cutler explained...

    I recently watched a video where cutler explained his “program” He basically just goes on about what bro split he’s used. Nothing about progression, de loads, resets.. as expected.. just up the dose...
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    To be fair I ran the 3 month challenge temp and...

    To be fair I ran the 3 month challenge temp and it was horrible towards the end. I was pretty strong so squats and dead’s on the same day was rough. If you ask Jim about combining hit and bbb he’d...
  • Phul and phat are intermediate routines for...

    Phul and phat are intermediate routines for naturals. Not beginner programs at all. The pros are so drugged out that their training is basically secondary. What the pros do in terms of training is...
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    Don’t add anything. I think you’re suppose to do...

    Don’t add anything. I think you’re suppose to do pull ups in between pressing sets…That program is pretty brutal. HIT is a terrible idea and will not mix well with boring but big. You need to pick...
  • I’ve always felt that Steve has some emotional...

    I’ve always felt that Steve has some emotional obsession with how people trained in the 80s. I trained the old bro split forever when it was the standard but after less extreme approach’s were shown...
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    That’s basically what I do. I’m happy where I’m...

    That’s basically what I do. I’m happy where I’m at now and just want to stay 10-12 percent for the summer. Right now I’m maintaining at best.
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    Unfortunately for me to squat into the 400s I...

    Unfortunately for me to squat into the 400s I need to train legs hard and squat twice per week which I hate. I also am tired of bulking up just to hit PRs. So for me the cons outweigh the pros I...
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    You’re completely right but the difference is at...

    You’re completely right but the difference is at your average anytime or planet fitness every gym bro gets caught up in the pump and fluff arm day and tries to train like a pro bodybuilder....
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    Lol that’s a long rant. We prob agree on most...

    Lol that’s a long rant. We prob agree on most ..yes beginners should also do curls as well. That’s not even a debate. Unless you’re a SS guru. Bro splits work for some, fail for more.

    All Dr....
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    I was kind of joking in a way. It was tough to...

    I was kind of joking in a way. It was tough to get over 4 plates for me and I’m not sure it was even worth it.
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    Because anything over 3 plates in a standard gym...

    Because anything over 3 plates in a standard gym is considered elite lol
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    4 plate club is overrated.

    4 plate club is overrated.
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