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    Lean naturals usually come in at around 165 to...

    Lean naturals usually come in at around 165 to 175 lbs after years of lifting (Assuming normal height). That's not going to slow you down if you keep cardio in a few days per week. Nothing like the...
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    Doing maintenance training until I get under 12%....

    Doing maintenance training until I get under 12%. Started this recently. Got a good 4-6 weeks left. Figured I should do as little as possible while cutting. Still lifting heavy weights.

    Upper 1...
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    Look into Fierce 5 full body novice if you're not...

    Look into Fierce 5 full body novice if you're not already at/or near the 225 bench, 315 squat mark. Run that for 6 months and then switch to the intermediate upper/lower for a few years. Rotate bulk...
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    All the pump and fluff comes out of the drug era....

    All the pump and fluff comes out of the drug era. With enough gear a lot of the training mistakes don’t matter. Just up the dose and let it do the work.
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    Sounds common. Can’t train a muscle twice per...

    Sounds common. Can’t train a muscle twice per week because I need a week of recovery bro.
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    People that don’t add weight to the bar overtime...

    People that don’t add weight to the bar overtime and just pump and fluff. Those people tend to not even train legs or do half rep squats. Glad I have a home gym now and don’t have to see it anymore...
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    They are around. I've seen the same slugs in the...

    They are around. I've seen the same slugs in the gym from back when I was in high school. I could literally train a noob for a year and they would surpass the 20 years of non sense guy. Especially in...
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    Yup. On board with that since not many surpass an...

    Yup. On board with that since not many surpass an intermediate level. Most piss around in the gym for 20 years with little gains expect a bigger mid section.
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    You're probably correct for the most part. I...

    You're probably correct for the most part. I think nowadays my thought process is more geared towards why do more than you have to?. I've literally wasted years doing trash like push pull legs, which...
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    Looks good. I'd highly suggest you look into...

    Looks good. I'd highly suggest you look into something like Fierce 5 upper/lower. That would be the perfect program for someone at your level. You could def get a good 1-2 years out of that before...
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    What is your squat/bench/dead?

    What is your squat/bench/dead?
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    Probably unsustainable in the long run once you...

    Probably unsustainable in the long run once you reach a high level of strength. You can get away with crazy stuff in the short term.
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    It looks like a trip to burn out city honestly....

    It looks like a trip to burn out city honestly. Nothing wrong with doing what you enjoy. After 3 years the gains are slow no matter what.
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    Templates and programming

    Templates--
    Upper-(Chest emphasis)- Bench press 5x5, Incline press 3x12, Row 2x6, Lat pulldown 2x8, Barbell curl 1x10.
    Lower- (Quad emphasis) Squat 5x5, Leg extension 3x12, Leg curl 2x8, Calf/abs...
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    Bodybuilding templates

    I wanted to run through these templates a few times before actually recommending them. This style of training was mostly pushed by Lyle Mcdonald in the early 2000's and later written about by Eric...
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    Exactly lol.

    Exactly lol.
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    What is your current training level? Chances are...

    What is your current training level? Chances are you'd do better with a program geared towards your level of advancement instead of a Lee Haney split or an Arnold split.
  • When trying to bring up chest I like to do bench...

    When trying to bring up chest I like to do bench 5x5, incline press 3x12, rest of upper body at maintenance and then on the next upper day do incline 5x5, flat 3x12, rest of upper ect. No junk...
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    The problem with PPL is that its very...

    The problem with PPL is that its very inefficient. You're lifting 6 days per week just to train each muscle group twice per week. (In my opinion) if you can't get it done with 4 days per week, more...
  • Poll: I'm more of a middle ground person I guess....

    I'm more of a middle ground person I guess. 12-15% body fat, bench low 3's squat 4's is all I really care about now. Its not worth it to get up to 20 percent body fat anymore just to lift more.
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