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  • I agree, I think it's impossible (or at least,...

    I agree, I think it's impossible (or at least, I've never seen a convincing reason) to make the jump from all of these logic-centered arguments about causality, time, existence/ontology, etc., to the...
  • in for conservative outrage

    in for conservative outrage
  • genuine liberty will only come when we move past...

    genuine liberty will only come when we move past capitalism
  • had no idea yellow jackets were a kind of bee...

    had no idea yellow jackets were a kind of bee till i googled it. thought u were literally finding yellow jacket coats all over your house and were going insane or something
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    tell your dad he's a champ, from the misc

    tell your dad he's a champ, from the misc
  • But God would have to exist outside of spacetime,...

    But God would have to exist outside of spacetime, so we can never empirically observe God in the same way we can anything else. Meaning the only way you can make conclusions about his existence is...
  • When you go into nonsense theism...

    When you go into nonsense theism god-answers-my-prayers stuff then yah. But I guess if we're just talking about the proximate cause, you can make a case for it using pure logic without having to...
  • I enjoy your posts wincel but please use...

    I enjoy your posts wincel but please use paragraphs

    I agree that the case for theism is especially poor. I think, whilst the logical arguments for a proximate cause (cosmological, teleological,...
  • That's why I said the KCA comes apart because its...

    That's why I said the KCA comes apart because its premises are unsubstantiated when you look into it deeply. On the surface, yes it seems like the universe has a beginning - modern cosmology and our...
  • Not really. The argument says that anything that...

    Not really. The argument says that anything that HAS a beginning must have a cause that caused it to begin to exist (ie. it could have either existed or not existed, but something brought it into...
  • Never formally no, just as a pastime. As for new...

    Never formally no, just as a pastime. As for new atheism, never really identified with the movement much - I think most of them are still pretty relevant when discussing the negative social...
  • The KCA states that everything that begins to...

    The KCA states that everything that begins to exist has to have a cause. Not that everything has to have a cause. Since proponents of the KCA believe that the universe definitively had a beginning,...
  • The premise of the argument is derived from...

    The premise of the argument is derived from scientific theory - ie. that the universe had a beginning. As I said, this is an oversimplified misunderstanding of exactly what big bang cosmology tells...
  • what's that well known line about correlation and...

    what's that well known line about correlation and causation again?
  • I was playing devils advocate like I said, but I...

    I was playing devils advocate like I said, but I guess the reason theists home in on that point is that modern cosmology appears to suggest a past-finite universe that had a beginning (that isn't...
  • Taking away basic bodily autonomy from 50% of the...

    Taking away basic bodily autonomy from 50% of the population is literally having power over others, you incredibly smart person
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    U got dat der slack jaw?

    U got dat der slack jaw?
  • That's around the point of viability OP, which is...

    That's around the point of viability OP, which is generally where abortion cut offs tend to be and should be. Rolling it back to 20 weeks would be ideal but I think there is only one case of a baby...
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    hes a decent dancer lol but why dance when its...

    hes a decent dancer lol

    but why dance when its all about the face
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    looks like little more than an enamel fracture...

    looks like little more than an enamel fracture but your dentist should double check that the tooth hasn't been mobilised, no fracture of the root, no significant changes in sensation indicating...
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