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    Sticky: The pre-workout looks like a work out all by...

    The pre-workout looks like a work out all by itself! The post workout looks fine. I use a wide stance for squats. Sumo style! If you're having balancing issues try wearing shoes with a heel and see...
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    Sticky: Salutations to the sun. Active stretching before...

    Salutations to the sun. Active stretching before the work out. NEVER do static stretching before an activity. Do them afterwords if you want to do them....
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    You're very welcome.

    You're very welcome.
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    Thank you sir. I always do my best to cloud the...

    Thank you sir. I always do my best to cloud the issue with facts.
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    If you re-read what I wrote, I'm agreeing with...

    If you re-read what I wrote, I'm agreeing with you and so were the Soviet coaches, Lou Simmons, Fred Hatfield, Bill Starr and pretty much anyone else that has a clue.
  • What you posted has no progression model or setup...

    What you posted has no progression model or setup from set to set. It just says 5x8. How many are work sets? Is it a pyramid or straight sets? In short, it's a crappy write up. He'll get better...
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    You left out strengthening of the joints, tendons...

    You left out strengthening of the joints, tendons and ligaments and MOST importantly optimizing the CNS. That means that training in the 80 - 95% range is REQUIRED! As is maximum speed work. I was a...
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    http://fpio.org.ru/data/50-powerlib/Science_and_Pr...

    http://fpio.org.ru/data/50-powerlib/Science_and_Practice.pdf
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    Do you have access to a cable and bar to do pull...

    Do you have access to a cable and bar to do pull downs? If so load it with a lite weight and try to do 2 sets of 20 reps with it. In the mean time drop the pull ups. Do that for 4 weeks and try to...
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    Sticky: Until it stops working or you get tired of it. If...

    Until it stops working or you get tired of it. If you look through the original sticky there is a woman in there with the user name Bopeep. She used the program for over a year and a half. To say she...
  • Throw it out and run a proven program! Good grief!

    Throw it out and run a proven program! Good grief!
  • Madcow had 2 assistance lifts, curls and tricep...

    Madcow had 2 assistance lifts, curls and tricep press for 2 sets of 8. Starr said 2 sets of 20 reps, no warm up. Load the bar and go! Starr followed what he called the rule of 40. 2x20, 3x15, 4x10...
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    You have three options, 1) reduce the volume, 2)...

    You have three options, 1) reduce the volume, 2) reduce the frequency, 3) change programs.
  • First of all you you didn't include sets or reps....

    First of all you you didn't include sets or reps. Secondly RUN IT AS IS for the first 6 weeks then decide if you can handle anything more! Starr's program called for 2 sets of 20 reps for assistance...
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    Sticky: The first time through you will probably get a...

    The first time through you will probably get a shock effect. If diet, sleep and rest are in order expect to see some size gains! When that stops happening switch back to a heavier lower rep program....
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    From the pen of Bill Starr, "Once trainees move...

    From the pen of Bill Starr, "Once trainees move to the intermediate or advanced levels they need to vary their set and rep sequence. For example, they should do some lower reps so they can overload...
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    Madcow heavily edited the program and he didn't...

    Madcow heavily edited the program and he didn't post the final phase. He swapped power cleans for row and Starr didn't use percentages to set the program up. Madcow or possibly Glenn Pendelay set the...
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    What Madcow posted was the intermediate version...

    What Madcow posted was the intermediate version of the program. There is a peaking version.You'll find some of those programs in Starr's book Defying Gravity. But my point was that back when Madcow...
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    Yes, I'm back but it seems that all of my old...

    Yes, I'm back but it seems that all of my old friends are gone. I hope all is well with you.
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    Yes, you are wrong. For a time at the beginning...

    Yes, you are wrong. For a time at the beginning of his career Arnold trained with his boyhood hero, Reg Park. Reg Park made his version of the 5x5 program famous! He was probably one of the strongest...
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