Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?

[QUOTE=quiksilver_28;272823491]Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?[/QUOTE]

Lol. You're at 9% and want to get lower? Do you have any time to sleep? Got any photos? And Muscle Milk??? I'm not knocking it, I love Muscle Milk, but there are a ton of better ones out there, especially for someone who's at active as you.

If you're not super toned at 9%, then I'm sorry, I just don't believe you. When you hit a certain percent, you will start to act funny and start getting very odd feelings. Your body NEED a certain percent of body fat, and anything really lower then 9% would just be asking for issues.

Remember Rocky when he fought the Russian? Rocky IV. He was at 3% bodyfat, and he would say how he was always forgetting things and was always tired... when your body's that low, it might look nice, but your brain runs off fat for fuel. I wouldn't really go any lower then 9%, maybe to 7%...

[QUOTE=quiksilver_28;272823491]Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?[/QUOTE]

I like this stack...Except for the NLarge. If you want to tone up, a weight gainer is not for you.

See the problem is I'm only 145 lbs, 5'9, and I'm looking to gain more muscle weight. So thats where the fat burner comes in. I want to keep using the weight gainer but when I got up to 165 using TrueMass and CytoGainer my body fat shot up to 14%, which I wasn't completely unsatisfied with, but could notice it alot in my face / neck. I want to hopefully avoid that this time, and the only areas that seem to be affected by the weight gainer that doesn't look good is neck / face, and chest when the arms are relaxed at my sides in the outer area of the pec. Right now I am happy with how toned I am, just want to keep that same toned level with an increase in size. Several people have suggested slowing down on cardio...but this is pretty tough to do with the activities I enjoy.

[QUOTE=quiksilver_28;272833831]See the problem is I'm only 145 lbs, 5'9, and I'm looking to gain more muscle weight. So thats where the fat burner comes in. I want to keep using the weight gainer but when I got up to 165 using TrueMass and CytoGainer my body fat shot up to 14%, which I wasn't completely unsatisfied with, but could notice it alot in my face / neck. I want to hopefully avoid that this time, and the only areas that seem to be affected by the weight gainer that doesn't look good is neck / face, and chest when the arms are relaxed at my sides in the outer area of the pec. Right now I am happy with how toned I am, just want to keep that same toned level with an increase in size. Several people have suggested slowing down on cardio...but this is pretty tough to do with the activities I enjoy.[/QUOTE]

When you add muscle, mass, size, or whatever you want to call it, you have to understand that you WILL add excess fat. You can still bulk very clean, but you will have to still eat more calories then you burn, and make sure your protein and carbs are in the higher end to keep those muscles fueled.

Eat food... then cut. Sounds like your metabolism is in hyper drive, so I wouldn't worry about the extra pounds of fat. Just eat like a beast, gain muscle, then cut in the spring.

[QUOTE=Djin;272546461]
I found REDuction was good, I lost 21lbs in two months with it. Then I tried Animal Cuts. I only lost 3lbs in 21-days, but I also upped my calories to 3,000. So that was a win win for me too.
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still amazed at your weight loss, nice work :)

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;273093981]still amazed at your weight loss, nice work :)[/QUOTE]

The scale says 186-189lbs now. Then again I've been adding more food, more weight and less cardio for the last several months.

I'm currently in a bulk stage and I can't wait to cut again to see all the new added muscle I can see... It just kills me that I can see a little bulk in my face... but I know that a couple of pounds will come off with ease since muscle burns more then fat.

So I've just been packing away the protein and carbs while lifting as heavy as possible some days then working form on others.

Anyone use these:
Syntrax Fyre and Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme.

I've been using the controlled Labs REDuction and I've leveled out, I'm not loseing any more weight. I tried changing up my Gym routine and Diet again too, but still seem to be staying around 198.

The Above Stack is recommended by Bodybuilding.com at this link: [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/wgtcombo.htm#rfl[/url] Under Rapid Fat loss.

Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.

REDuction or Cuts? Cant make up my mind. Help anyone

[QUOTE=Djin;273096211]The scale says 186-189lbs now. Then again I've been adding more food, more weight and less cardio for the last several months.

I'm currently in a bulk stage and I can't wait to cut again to see all the new added muscle I can see... It just kills me that I can see a little bulk in my face... but I know that a couple of pounds will come off with ease since muscle burns more then fat.

So I've just been packing away the protein and carbs while lifting as heavy as possible some days then working form on others.[/QUOTE]
awesome
[QUOTE=djmasters;273490731]REDuction or Cuts? Cant make up my mind. Help anyone[/QUOTE]
we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;273585541]awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)[/QUOTE]

Ain't it? I want to be just like you!!! lol

[QUOTE=CMA1087;273279891]Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is VERY good. Defintely give it a shot... Good Luck!

[QUOTE=CMA1087;273279891]Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.[/QUOTE]

I used this product from October till December..the 240 capsules, it helped me loose close to 40 pounds in that time span and also shred off some BF.

yohimbine HCL

[QUOTE=MAGnitude;274027741]yohimbine HCL[/QUOTE]

that is a prescription drug ;)

first i like to say hi cause i am new in here.

i am 17 teen years old. Last year i was 180cm and 108kg with %32 body fat. In one year i have lost 17 kg and know i am 181cm and 91kg with %20 body fat. I have lost 17kg with MMA and muay thai trainnings without any diet. But i tried Universal Animal cut and it was wonderful. I have lost 7-8 kg in one month without doing any diet just eating healthy.
Next week my workouts will start 5 times in a week 2hours.
I dont know so much things about supplements. Should i use two fat burner in same time. I want to use Lipo6x, Animal cut, Whey protein in same time? Should it be wrong for my body? Will it be unhealthy?


Sorry for bad english :(

has anyone tried rivalus mpower??? wanted to know if this a good product to try

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;273585541]awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)[/QUOTE]

Free sample? Pm me please.

[QUOTE=naturalguy;272553941]There is no conflict between creatine and caffeine[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU

I dont know if this has been mentioned (theres like 200 posts on this thread) but my personal favorite fat burner has to be Leviathan Reloaded. Check out this ingedient profile:

Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 45
Proprietary Blend: 1000 Mgs
Caffeine
Tribulus Ext 80% Saponins, 20% Protodioscin
3,3'-Diindolylmethane
Coleus Forskohili 20% Forskolin
Acacia Rigidula
Hordenine
PEA (Phenylethylamine)
Velvet Bean Extract 20% l-dopa
Phyllanthus Niruri 10%
Ficus Bengalensis Extract 10:1

Yohimbine HCl, 11-Hydroxy-Yohimbine, 9mgs

REDuction is sick! it was the only thing that i could feel working

tried hydroxycut hardcore last year and dropped 20 pounds in 2months.
just started lipo6x. so far great on suppressing appetite.
also pretty interested in REDuction

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;273585541]awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)[/QUOTE]


I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter!

[QUOTE=sicdeusvult;276291051]I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter![/QUOTE]

Controlled Labs products are made very well. You could toss the pills and they wouldn't break... solid as a brick.

I have a few logs about REDuction and losing 21lbs in 2 months on it... and a good review somewhere on these forums.

It's a very very very detailed log... from what I ate, how I felt, what I did, etc. REDuction gives a nice steady energy through the day and the PM usually knocks most people out... I take the PM and I can stay up for a while now... I've gotten quite use to REDuction. :)

[QUOTE=Geno;275263501]Free sample? Pm me please.[/QUOTE]
all you need to do is follow the link in my signature, it will take you about 30 seconds to do it :)
[QUOTE=JoeBro;275371171]REDuction is sick! it was the only thing that i could feel working[/QUOTE]
awesome, thanks for spreading the word
[QUOTE=BMA17;275372981]tried hydroxycut hardcore last year and dropped 20 pounds in 2months.
just started lipo6x. so far great on suppressing appetite.
also pretty interested in REDuction[/QUOTE] would be interested to hear your REDuction feedback

[QUOTE=sicdeusvult;276291051]I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter![/QUOTE]
check the link in my signature below
[QUOTE=Djin;276294791]Controlled Labs products are made very well. You could toss the pills and they wouldn't break... solid as a brick.

I have a few logs about REDuction and losing 21lbs in 2 months on it... and a good review somewhere on these forums.

It's a very very very detailed log... from what I ate, how I felt, what I did, etc. REDuction gives a nice steady energy through the day and the PM usually knocks most people out... I take the PM and I can stay up for a while now... I've gotten quite use to REDuction. :)[/QUOTE]
always love to read your feedback on REDuction

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;276338311]
would be interested to hear your REDuction feedback
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should be starting it around feb after i get off lipo 6x

any recommendations on stacks for REDuction to optimize fat loss
like a non stim product like vaporize or lean xtreme

anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.

[QUOTE=BMA17;276414841]should be starting it around feb after i get off lipo 6x

any recommendations on stacks for REDuction to optimize fat loss
like a non stim product like vaporize or lean xtreme[/QUOTE]

There have been a few stacks I've used while on REDuction.

CLA
7-Keto
(1g) L-Carnitine

And now it looks like Chromium is making a come back with fat loss.

[QUOTE=saha-7;276439941]anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.[/QUOTE]

I tried Arson, but at [i]that[/i] time in my life I didn't really know too much about what I was doing, so I probably did more harm while using it then not.

I did find however, the amount of quick energy I got from it made me feel like I just jumped into a bag of "Columbia's finest".

I have my eyes on BioQuest BetaStax... It has CLA, chromium and a few other things I like... so it seems interesting.

Also amazing progression with REDuction.