Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

I have lost 4 pounds in the last 4 days on lipo6. I am also running and lifting.
So far I am excited about this!

Is this the first time you started to lose weight, etc?

Just an FYI; usually the first 10lbs is water weight. Be keep trucking.

yeah, i have been working out and running for a while but the weight still seems to stick around at 175. I weighed myself last thursday i was 172.5. Last night i weighed out to 170.

It probably is water but it does give me a positive outlook on this.

good job on the results. even if if they are simpy mental at this stage thats half the battle. hope this stuff works for me too

[QUOTE=curtis0072;173515931]hey im trying to cut fat and gain muscle and hope to keep my weight kind of higher, sounds weird but i need it.

i will buy and take any supplement you guys reccomend and i think is good.

the reason i need to cut fat and gain muscle and keep weight is i play football and im a fullback and im getting way to fat.

im 5,4 185... i know =/ and im 16

Any suggestions?

i was thinking mabye Arson stacked with Muscle Rx?[/QUOTE]

Gah!!! People. Slow down! NO. You aren't going to "cut fat and gain muscle." Not all at once. I mean, ok, if you are clasically obese, yes, but otherwise... pff...

Before you start believing ANYTHING anyone wants to pimp to you on a supplement, go outside and run in the sun. 30-45 minutes a day! Bring water. Run at a good pace. Get a running partner if you can. And don't you dare let your ass walk for a "short break." Do a bit of HIIT sprinting at the end. Spend another hour/day at the gym 4-5 times/week. Don't be lazy! Bust your ass. I was 5'4" once... I went from 190 to 145 in 1.5 months. Of course, that was in wrestling practice, but the point is, when you are that heavy, and that short, the weight will come off fast with some hard work! Do it!

THEN... when you are done cutting. PROTEIN! LOTS OF PROTEIN! You want to take an energy supplement on top of it? Fine. Hell, a 300 mg caffeine pill should be enough for you, but take something for energy. Don't start taking cutting supplements like Lipo6x when you are building. It's a waste of your time and money. You want to build in an anabolic state. You want to cut in a catabolic state. You can't be in both at the same time.

Start with the running. It will help your energy levels, help your endurance, and build your confidence in the mirror. Then, hit the weights hard. Supplements are great, but for someone your age, with your goals, stick to the basics. Protein, Multivitamin, fish oil, dedication.

How exactly do you stack lipo-6 and man torch what is the Dosage? i'm about 6-3 270

[QUOTE=Cyrus317;174056301]Gah!!! People. Slow down! NO. You aren't going to "cut fat and gain muscle." Not all at once. I mean, ok, if you are clasically obese, yes, but otherwise... pff...

Before you start believing ANYTHING anyone wants to pimp to you on a supplement, go outside and run in the sun. 30-45 minutes a day! Bring water. Run at a good pace. Get a running partner if you can. And don't you dare let your ass walk for a "short break." Do a bit of HIIT sprinting at the end. Spend another hour/day at the gym 4-5 times/week. Don't be lazy! Bust your ass. I was 5'4" once... I went from 190 to 145 in 1.5 months. Of course, that was in wrestling practice, but the point is, when you are that heavy, and that short, the weight will come off fast with some hard work! Do it!

THEN... when you are done cutting. PROTEIN! LOTS OF PROTEIN! You want to take an energy supplement on top of it? Fine. Hell, a 300 mg caffeine pill should be enough for you, but take something for energy. Don't start taking cutting supplements like Lipo6x when you are building. It's a waste of your time and money. You want to build in an anabolic state. You want to cut in a catabolic state. You can't be in both at the same time.

Start with the running. It will help your energy levels, help your endurance, and build your confidence in the mirror. Then, hit the weights hard. Supplements are great, but for someone your age, with your goals, stick to the basics. Protein, Multivitamin, fish oil, dedication.[/QUOTE]


I think that a lot of people understand how to lose weight, supplements of this type HELP speed the process.

I went from 245lbs to 203lbs in a few months. Never a day of cardio and I just now started to jog. It's a lot easier then people make it, and hell of a lot easier then YOU make it.

You don't want to cut in a catabolic state. That's when your body starts to eat muscle... And yes you can gain and lose at the same time. Muscle burns MORE fat then doing nothing. So you can easily start lifting and gain lean muscle while dropping weight.

I do agree that for someone that young they shouldn't be doing tons of supplements (other then the staple ones, and I'm not talking about creatine).

I do concur though. But one thing that Mr. Captain Gunhoe doesn't recognize is that you first have to learn how to walk before you can jog, or run.

If you can't walk about an hour without dying, if you started to job you would probably have an acute heart attack. Look up some articles about jogging, it's some of the best ways to lose weight, but it's also high impact on your body.

Also, sometimes walking is better then running. You can go farther and is almost no impact on the knees. If there's a YMCA or a pool in your area, that too is a great way to do a total body workout.

[QUOTE=ponarona19;174182411]How exactly do you stack lipo-6 and man torch what is the Dosage? i'm about 6-3 270[/QUOTE]

Just read the directions on both bottles, take them both together. Hold on and get ready to get high as a kite the first day or so... lol

[QUOTE=Djin;174231631]Just read the directions on both bottles, take them both together. Hold on and get ready to get high as a kite the first day or so... lol[/QUOTE]

No, **** my freakin head is wiggin out.AAAAHHHHH!!!! naw but i can really feel it. Feels like old school ephedrine.

If things get too wacky, I find eating a nice bowl of oatmeal helps damper the effects. Also make sure you drink extra water when taking that many supplements.

I actually drink an extra half gallon just to keep my body happy.

Biotest Hot-Rox Extreme hands down.

[QUOTE=Djin;174240861]If things get too wacky, I find eating a nice bowl of oatmeal helps damper the effects. Also make sure you drink extra water when taking that many supplements.

I actually drink an extra half gallon just to keep my body happy.[/QUOTE]

Thanks the water helped

I'm liking BSN Atro-Phex right now. Keeps the water off and gives good energy.

Djin, did you find that you felt restless, nervous, jittery, or other similar symptoms while on Lipo6x and Tetrazene? The reason I ask this is because both supplements contain 200mg of caffeine per serving - that's 400 mg of caffeine everytime you pop those supplements in your mouth.

Would the non-caffeinated version of Tetrazene work as well as the Extreme version?

[QUOTE=maxideus;174354861]Djin, did you find that you felt restless, nervous, jittery, or other similar symptoms while on Lipo6x and Tetrazene? The reason I ask this is because both supplements contain 200mg of caffeine per serving - that's 400 mg of caffeine everytime you pop those supplements in your mouth.

Would the non-caffeinated version of Tetrazene work as well as the Extreme version?[/QUOTE]

I'm not proud of this, but I use to do a lot of coke in my younger years. Caffeine really doesn't do much for me.

I probably take way more then 400mg of caffeine now. 500mg of green tea x2 - 3, and then x3 pills of Meltdown twice a day. 1-2g of L-carnitine.

I don't really feel much. I was outside today in 80(F) degree weather in a winter's hoodie doing hard work and concrete forms... call me crazy. haha

I get use to stimulants fast.

Animal Cuts

I ahven't done a whole lot of cutting diets, BUT I have done a cycle of both GNC brand cuts, and Hydroxycut Hardcore, and I lost more weight on GNC, although I gained it all back within a week of coming off of it.

It gave me gas, and softened me up quite a bit.
I find with hydroxycut, I am getting indegestion, and feeling dehydrated, but have yet to see any results on the scale. anyways.. I know people are always big-upping hydroxycut, maybe it just doesn't work for me.

stacker 2

no doubt.....

LIPIXOR by Nanox Nutriceuticals without any doubt!!! its the ****!

[QUOTE=greg_84;175019621]I ahven't done a whole lot of cutting diets, BUT I have done a cycle of both GNC brand cuts, and Hydroxycut Hardcore, and I lost more weight on GNC, although I gained it all back within a week of coming off of it.

It gave me gas, and softened me up quite a bit.
I find with hydroxycut, I am getting indegestion, and feeling dehydrated, but have yet to see any results on the scale. anyways.. I know people are always big-upping hydroxycut, maybe it just doesn't work for me.[/QUOTE]

It's because MuscleTech Hydroxycut Hardcore is so "commercialized" it's not even funny. Also it's from MuscleTech and people think highly of them.

I personally don't care much for Hydroxycut and would rather stick to something I know works. If you want to stop all the stomach issues, I'd suggest taking some papaya with your thermos. This will help your stomach and the gas/bile from upsetting it.

ive been taking lipo 6... i thin its the older formula becasue the pills arent white as advertised. But regardless its working decent i look a lot better in the mirror my arms are a lot more cut ony lost like 4 pounds tho... im really looking foward to trying out REDuction. Once i get some money im going to be taking REDuction, green mag, whey, and multis.

every time i hear "ephedra-free" I want to break something - some bastards with preexisting heart conditions OD'ed on 100 mgs while doing 3 hour summer double sessions and the world has to suffer forever for their stupidity ? That is just wrong.

i would say venom hyperdrive 3.0


that thing after taking 2 pills made me feel VERY VERY speedy.
felt like i had to run, and i was keep figdeting in my seat
it was like ********, and im not even joking.
and it made my heart beat waaay faster than ******** does.

[QUOTE=Crewpierce;174245921]Biotest Hot-Rox Extreme hands down.[/QUOTE]

Worked for me, except I got used to it.

I have high tolerance to everything, which sucks.

Anyone around here take Recreate?

I'm thinking of combining MAN Vaporize, USP Recreate, and **** Venom Lean Dreams.

Anyone have any thoughts on this hopefully awesome stack?

has anyone tried lipolyze by species nutrition?

[QUOTE=sandman06;175581911]has anyone tried lipolyze by species nutrition?[/QUOTE]

Lol.

My mom takes this, I know another person who takes this... let me tell you a little something... It doesn't work.

A friend of mine that I suggested Animal Cuts lost 5lbs in a couple weeks, while her friend lost only 1lb in two months on Lipolyze.

So you choose. If you can buy it from the television, I wouldn't buy it.

What is the difference between lipo 6 and lipo 6x?

I am 5'9, 160, already in real good shape but want to drop body fat percent to look cut for summer. Yes I already do cardio and eat very well, but I have that damn 'genetic fat' coating my abs thanks to my dad! I am not 'fat' any place else, just looking for something to help burn the stubborn fat off my abs. Ideas?

Lipo6X is more time released... "pill inside a pill".

A few other minor things, but that's pretty much it.