Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;460211391]
glad your enjoying it. do you have the whole kit (am and pm) or just pm?[/QUOTE]


Right now I'm using both AM and PM, but I've used PM solo as well. It is one of my favorite supps - very underrated IMO.

[QUOTE=Aric.Gant;458913401]I've read through a lot of posts but I can't seem to find answers to my questions.

Do fat burners actually burn fat? Or do they just give energy and suppress appetite?

It seems most people start training and dieting while taking these "fat burners". So I am a little skeptical as to the actual amount of fat being burned by the supp.[/QUOTE]



No answers to my questions? Come on CL rep. ;)

Waiting on MX-LS7 Max Strength Lean System 7 to arrive, i lost 90 pounds with not much exercise or diet on the Original Ephedra Hydroxycut in less then a year and loved it. Once the ban came i tried everything with not much luck. I personally think the Industrial Medical Complex got ephedra banned because this was a threat to them, to many people loosing weight and and getting healthy results. Call me a conspiracy theorist but anytime something good comes along the Government steps in...

Anyway,

The EC stack just gave me lots of jitters and not much appetite control like Hydroxycut did. Best part about the original Hydroxycut was it made me calm and relaxed while i was on it, not sure why.

Reading some reviews i hope MX-LS7 is as good as the claims.

[QUOTE=AlphaBrass01;460269461]Right now I'm using both AM and PM, but I've used PM solo as well. It is one of my favorite supps - very underrated IMO.[/QUOTE]
awesome and yes, I agree, very underrated although the popularity is starting to gain some traction finally.
[QUOTE=Aric.Gant;460585771]I've read through a lot of posts but I can't seem to find answers to my questions.

Do fat burners actually burn fat? Or do they just give energy and suppress appetite?

It seems most people start training and dieting while taking these "fat burners". So I am a little skeptical as to the actual amount of fat being burned by the supp.[/QUOTE]

ones with thermogenics in them can burn fat via heat loss.

Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.

[QUOTE=Nivea;464737933]Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.[/QUOTE]

I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?

For those wanting to try out the New Animal Cuts.... here's your chance...
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=123101553[/url]

[QUOTE=Nivea;464737933]Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.[/QUOTE]
awesome, glad to hear REDuction is working so nicely for you :)

how are you liking the PM pills?
[QUOTE=jaymezrus;465009571]I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?[/QUOTE]

no changes to REDuction ever. looking forward to your thoughts

[QUOTE=rcb0424;460114591]Can you stack animal cuts with lean xtreme?

would this be useful?

and how exactly would you stack it?

Also, if I take animal cuts in the morning after waking, that is like 6 am for me, I dont work out until around 5 pm. Would it be ok to wait on the 2nd pack until an hour or so before my 5pm workout so I would get the effects during the workout?[/QUOTE]

Yes you can stack Animal Cuts and Lean Xtreme.

Yes you can take your Cuts closer to your workout. If you find taking Cuts that late in the day keeps you up at night, you have the option to leave out the red pill which contains the majority of the stims.

It's just another reason why Animal Cuts is # 1.

is animal cuts for just lean people looking to get ripped, or anyone? im 175 lbs and need to lose about 25 probally and i was wondering if animal cuts would help me? $60 is alot i dont wanna waste on something that wont work lol

[QUOTE=Dibatista;456135111]Sort of off topic on your question (sorry, I don't know the answer... I know others will though)... but what have been your thoughts/experience of it so far? Thinking about trying it. Thanks
[img]http://www.powerbuilduk.com/shop/images/animalcuts.jpg[/img][img]https://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

As I stated before, I tried Animal Cuts back in the day and was unimpressed, finding it mostly sucked the water out of me.

Took a chance and tried it again with the "new formula." I can only say,

WOW!
In 3 short weeks, I cut off a good amount of "belly" in areas that I really have had no luck in before. The stuff made me feel "strange," but not jittery, ever. When taken about 1/2 hour to an hour before my workout, I found it jacked up my intensity to obscene levels without me even realizing it. I was quite literally leaving my workout partners in the dust. The greatest effects I actually saw on "run only" days. It was odd, and even somewhat creepy. The sense of discomfort I usually feel during the run after the extended mileage begins to build up was strangely "faded." Almost out of body, it was as though my pain tolerance changed, and I found I was able to push further, faster, and longer, and my post run recovery seemed to require mere moments instead of tens of minutes.

Put simply, it stunned me, and I'd like to thank Universal and definitely recommend the product over other burners I've taken.

HOWEVER, if I could throw something out there, and maybe get a question answered? Toward the end of the 3 week cycle, I started to get what I called, "dead leg." It crept into my runs, and while I was usually able to push through it, I found it sometimes troubled me. The symptoms were simple. It was as though I had a cramp, but with extended length, yet limited intensity. For anyone that has ever had a sever calf cramp, it felt like the "day after" effects in the muscle, but almost continuously.

I'd like to run another cycle of the stuff, the gains were so great, but I'm a little concerned. I was getting plenty of water, though its possible my electrolytes were a little low for the intensity level I was playing at. Any ideas what caused this, or how to avoid it in the future?

[QUOTE=naturalguy;465081541]Yes you can stack Animal Cuts and Lean Xtreme.

Yes you can take your Cuts closer to your workout. If you find taking Cuts that late in the day keeps you up at night, you have the option to leave out the red pill which contains the majority of the stims.

It's just another reason why Animal Cuts is # 1.[/QUOTE]

What is the purpose of taking Lean Xtreme with Animal Cuts? What does it have that Animal Cuts does not? Also, if needed, can anyone recommend what will stack well with Animal Cuts because I am about to take my first cycle of it and I would like to see maximum results.

[QUOTE=panaxxIX;465200451]is animal cuts for just lean people looking to get ripped, or anyone? im 175 lbs and need to lose about 25 probally and i was wondering if animal cuts would help me? $60 is alot i dont wanna waste on something that wont work lol[/QUOTE]

Animal Cuts is for anyone looking to lose bodyfat.

[QUOTE=Cyrus317;466572991]As I stated before, I tried Animal Cuts back in the day and was unimpressed, finding it mostly sucked the water out of me.

Took a chance and tried it again with the "new formula." I can only say,

WOW!
In 3 short weeks, I cut off a good amount of "belly" in areas that I really have had no luck in before. The stuff made me feel "strange," but not jittery, ever. When taken about 1/2 hour to an hour before my workout, I found it jacked up my intensity to obscene levels without me even realizing it. I was quite literally leaving my workout partners in the dust. The greatest effects I actually saw on "run only" days. It was odd, and even somewhat creepy. The sense of discomfort I usually feel during the run after the extended mileage begins to build up was strangely "faded." Almost out of body, it was as though my pain tolerance changed, and I found I was able to push further, faster, and longer, and my post run recovery seemed to require mere moments instead of tens of minutes.

Put simply, it stunned me, and I'd like to thank Universal and definitely recommend the product over other burners I've taken.

HOWEVER, if I could throw something out there, and maybe get a question answered? Toward the end of the 3 week cycle, I started to get what I called, "dead leg." It crept into my runs, and while I was usually able to push through it, I found it sometimes troubled me. The symptoms were simple. It was as though I had a cramp, but with extended length, yet limited intensity. For anyone that has ever had a sever calf cramp, it felt like the "day after" effects in the muscle, but almost continuously.

I'd like to run another cycle of the stuff, the gains were so great, but I'm a little concerned. I was getting plenty of water, though its possible my electrolytes were a little low for the intensity level I was playing at. Any ideas what caused this, or how to avoid it in the future?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the feedback and good to hear you had great results with Animal Cuts.

As far as your question on your leg, I don't know what caused that.

[QUOTE=Cman90;466847841]What is the purpose of taking Lean Xtreme with Animal Cuts? What does it have that Animal Cuts does not? Also, if needed, can anyone recommend what will stack well with Animal Cuts because I am about to take my first cycle of it and I would like to see maximum results.[/QUOTE]

They work through different pathways and compliment each other, the theory being attacking fat lose through multiple angles. Both are great products.

quick question with animal cuts... i recently started on this... is it ok to drink alcohol at night if youve taken the 2 packs during the day? or should i just skip on the packs if i know im going to drink that night... sorry if this has already been covered

[QUOTE=bk42;467906201]quick question with animal cuts... i recently started on this... is it ok to drink alcohol at night if youve taken the 2 packs during the day? or should i just skip on the packs if i know im going to drink that night... sorry if this has already been covered[/QUOTE]

I really wouldn't recommend alcohol however there should not be any interaction between the two.

How many pills are there in each packet and what's the breakdown of what each one is for?
Thanks

[QUOTE=naturalguy;468147041]I really wouldn't recommend alcohol however there should not be any interaction between the two.[/QUOTE]

Animal cuts has both a potent stimulant complex, as well as a potent diuretic complex. Even if you are chugging water ( like I was) you are going to lose a lot of "body water." Don't think all that is coming from skin and fat. Water is found in every part of your body, and the body will take from one system to give to another in order to achieve better balance.

What I'm getting at is this, Animal Cuts = great product. Alcohol = fun (usually). Taking them together = trouble. Especially if you are nearing the end of a cutting cycle, you are going to be putting a lot of strain on your organs. Now, a beer on animal cuts... sure, you'd be fine. But I got the feeling you were talking about "partying" and not having "a drink."

[QUOTE=Cyrus317;468419621]Animal cuts has both a potent stimulant complex, as well as a potent diuretic complex. Even if you are chugging water ( like I was) you are going to lose a lot of "body water." Don't think all that is coming from skin and fat. Water is found in every part of your body, and the body will take from one system to give to another in order to achieve better balance.

What I'm getting at is this, Animal Cuts = great product. Alcohol = fun (usually). Taking them together = trouble. Especially if you are nearing the end of a cutting cycle, you are going to be putting a lot of strain on your organs. Now, a beer on animal cuts... sure, you'd be fine. But I got the feeling you were talking about "partying" and not having "a drink."[/QUOTE]

So would it be a good idea to not take the blue pills(the diuretic) on days where you think you will be drinking at night?

what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.

[QUOTE=jaymezrus;465009571]I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

<B>Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?<b>[/QUOTE]
The old(2-3 years ago when stim X first came out) it was bad to the bone instantly felt at least 25 percent stronger weight loss effects cant judge on that

[QUOTE=joshy22;468222221]How many pills are there in each packet and what's the breakdown of what each one is for?
Thanks[/QUOTE]

There are 9 small capsules. The only ones that are identified is the Thermogenic Complex (single, red cap) and the Diuretic Complex (2 blue caps).

[QUOTE=ninjawolf;469820111]what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.[/QUOTE]

I don't see any reason you couldn't stack them.

[QUOTE=DAFTEK;460606421]Waiting on MX-LS7 Max Strength Lean System 7 to arrive, i lost 90 pounds with not much exercise or diet on the Original Ephedra Hydroxycut in less then a year and loved it. Once the ban came i tried everything with not much luck. I personally think the Industrial Medical Complex got ephedra banned because this was a threat to them, to many people loosing weight and and getting healthy results. Call me a conspiracy theorist but anytime something good comes along the Government steps in...

Anyway,

The EC stack just gave me lots of jitters and not much appetite control like Hydroxycut did. Best part about the original Hydroxycut was it made me calm and relaxed while i was on it, not sure why.

Reading some reviews i hope MX-LS7 is as good as the claims.[/QUOTE]

It worked great for me, took 8 a day, cycled off for a month then did it again. No jitters, I found it hard to put on weight when I had some beers and ate bad. Though it may have been the P90X. Still was clean energy and works great when you work out on it.

I was torn between trying the Reduction AM/PM stack or the Animal Cuts. Since I love most of Controlled Labs other products and have had great results I decided to try Reduction AM/PM.

Unfortunately I seen absolutely no change after running it for 30 days. Felt no different, and no loss of sleep like some other experienced. I thought about running it longer, but with no results at all after 30 days, I guess I will try the animal cuts.

I guess this Controlled Labs product does not like me.

[QUOTE=ninjawolf;469820111]what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.[/QUOTE]
they are fine to combine. however if you are spending 16 bucks on REDuction PM, you can spend 10 bucks more and get the AM too ;)
[QUOTE=rn53982;470632471]I was torn between trying the Reduction AM/PM stack or the Animal Cuts. Since I love most of Controlled Labs other products and have had great results I decided to try Reduction AM/PM.

Unfortunately I seen absolutely no change after running it for 30 days. Felt no different, and no loss of sleep like some other experienced. I thought about running it longer, but with no results at all after 30 days, I guess I will try the animal cuts.

I guess this Controlled Labs product does not like me.[/QUOTE]

how were you taking it?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;471123361]


how were you taking it?[/QUOTE]



I was taking Reduction AM right after waking up on an empty stomach, 45 - 60 minutes before my morning meal.

I was taking my does of Reduction PM 30 -40 minutes before going to bed in the evenings. s

My only thought was maybe the dosage should be bigger for my size. I know it instructs 2 caps in the morning and 2 at night, but is it really one dose fits all?

I'm about to buy a can of Animal cuts. let's see how this stuff works Haha

I'm surprised no one mention Meltdown yet. I have cycled many of those including cuts, dren, vaporize, hydroxycut, lipo 6, lean xtreme, oxyelitepro, meltdown, to name a few.

Top three
Cuts (old one): A+ great appetite suppressant, energy and diuretic.
Meltdown: A Great appetite suppresant, energy, not a good diuretic, but I get a great vibe with this one. Never a bad day. Best 2009 on BB. check it out
Oxyelite: B+ great appetite suppressant, great energy, but with crash.

I'm about to try the new Cuts and here is my question:
Can I stack the cuts with super cuts 3 for added water loss/definition? or Can I stack meltdown with cuts w/o the red pill? is adding the Reduction pm with either overkill?

I just got off 2 cycles of cuts and finished my supply. I have to say... it did nothing. It is a good appetite suppressor but it's nothing you can't get with simple hoodia. I have also been stacking it with REDuction PM which I'm pretty sure is doing nothing also. During the first cycle I was stacking it with creatine, NO and Animal PAK but got off all 3 of those during the second because I wasn't losing weight. My workout has been the same as it has in the past and in fact I did more cardio because I thought it was just my workout. It wasn't. I've lost more weight taking NOTHING with the same workout and diet and lost more weight. I wont be using cuts again, it's expensive, it's a TON of pills (18 a day) and its expensive and doesn't last very long. I'm going to finish my REDuction pm to see if that's doing anything but I really doubt it. Starting next week I'm just going to get on anti-oxidants and hoodia and I'll let you guys know how that goes.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents on CUTS because I know it's a large topic on these forums.

Have a good one!

been taking the lipo-6 womens for about a week or so and I'm seeing results( -5lbs and
-19.5 inches) but am no longer feeling the enegy boost really at all and the appetite suppression factor has deminished...the bottle says no more than 4 but I'm both tall and on the heavyside,should i up it or should i start looking at other products?

other products deffinately .. look at meltdown by VPX.. in the intrim up your dose by a pill