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[QUOTE=gridironwarrior;250829001]As stated above, I am a collegiate athlete in a very competetive sport here in the U.S. My training is very different than a bodybuilding routine. I also have to deal with 3 1/2 practices and weight training on top of that. I also don't use steroids like my teammates do, so the only way for me to recover at a decent pace is to eat, eat, eat, and eat some more. BTW, I just finished a cut and I'm 240lbs @ 10~12% bf.... so I'm also bigger than the Average Joe.[/QUOTE]
IF your teammates use steroids they will get tested and lose their college. It's a known fact that you can NOT be a college athlete and use steroids.
Also you make it sound like football is some hardcore battle and working out isn't even as close to football... You can recover by sleeping, L-carnitine and just eating the CORRECT amount of food, and not some ungodly amount.
How tall are you? Photos?
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[QUOTE=Djin;250943511]IF your teammates use steroids they will get tested and lose their college. It's a known fact that you can NOT be a college athlete and use steroids.
Also you make it sound like football is some hardcore battle and working out isn't even as close to football... You can recover by sleeping, L-carnitine and just eating the CORRECT amount of food, and not some ungodly amount.
How tall are you? Photos?[/QUOTE]
1aa ball doesn't really test for banned substances....
I only get aroiund 5 hours of sleep because I have to study as I'm trying to transfer to the Naval Academy. Also, I burn up everything I eat. I don't EAT all my calories, I also DRINK them in the form of Real Gains and whey protein. Getting in 8k calories is not that hard. I'm not eating too clean, jsut getting in the calories. Besides, this is what works for me, so I do what I need to do to keep going. Plus, I only eat 8k calories for the first few weeks after football ends, then taper down to 6k. I'm not too worried about how I look, so I just eat whatever I want. Due to my lack of sleep, eating is the only way for me to still do the things I do.
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[QUOTE=gridironwarrior;250957281]1aa ball doesn't really test for banned substances....
I only get aroiund 5 hours of sleep because I have to study as I'm trying to transfer to the Naval Academy. Also, I burn up everything I eat. I don't EAT all my calories, I also DRINK them in the form of Real Gains and whey protein. Getting in 8k calories is not that hard. I'm not eating too clean, jsut getting in the calories. Besides, this is what works for me, so I do what I need to do to keep going. Plus, I only eat 8k calories for the first few weeks after football ends, then taper down to 6k. I'm not too worried about how I look, so I just eat whatever I want. Due to my lack of sleep, eating is the only way for me to still do the things I do.[/QUOTE]
So you're in route to heart failure down the road if you "eat whatever" and you're not too worried about how you look.
You might be young and your body might "eat" up all those calories, but it WILL catch up to you before you think... then you'll be 350lbs and clutching your chest.
I'm not knocking you, just trying to get you to understand that there are better routes you can take.
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[QUOTE=Djin;250979461]So you're in route to heart failure down the road if you "eat whatever" and you're not too worried about how you look.
You might be young and your body might "eat" up all those calories, but it WILL catch up to you before you think... then you'll be 350lbs and clutching your chest.
I'm not knocking you, just trying to get you to understand that there are better routes you can take.[/QUOTE]
By "eating whatever", I don't mean I hit up fast food or go out to eat at a buffer 3x a day. My food calories still come from eggs, milk, PB, beef, chicken, and so forth... just not boiled chicken or egg whites or foods cooked to a bodybuilding diet. I also don't eat like a slob. I don't eat fried sh*t or chips. Still considered "healthy eating" in a way. I eat tons of carbs (500 to 600g) and good fats. I eat like a mix of an endurance athlete (carbs) and a powerlifter (protein, fats)....
I understand where you are coming from. I should add that I'm not a bodybuilder in any way, so my diet and approach may not present to you in a way a bodybuilder may percieve.... Even in the offseason, I add 45min of geneeal cardio in the form of swimming when I don't have my speed workouts.
Thanks for your consideration in my health. But please understand that I don't sit on my ass and eat burgers and fries all day. I eat big and work hard year round. My approach of exercise is different than your bodybuilding approach. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings.
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[QUOTE=rf350z;250877491]I have not tried REDuction, no. I've read very promising things about it though. That will probably wind up being used in my next fat loss cycle.[/QUOTE]
glad to hear it, keep a log if you have the time :)
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[QUOTE=Djin;250979461]So you're in route to heart failure down the road if you "eat whatever" and you're not too worried about how you look.
You might be young and your body might "eat" up all those calories, but it WILL catch up to you before you think... then you'll be 350lbs and clutching your chest.
I'm not knocking you, just trying to get you to understand that there are better routes you can take.[/QUOTE]
Michael Phelps ate over 12,000 calories a day and he's one of the skinniest things you'll ever see. Just because you eat alot of calories doesn't make you out of shape or unhealthy really.....
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I see everyone sayin stack lX with reduction .............how do you guys stack it. Im to lazy to go readin infos so tell me how you take those
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200+ crunches is a a bit high. Do less, say about 12 sets while utilising different angles and hit a rep range around 10 and really squeeze your abs. Less can be more when building muscle! And as for the fat, crunches are not as effective as cardio in burning fat. Do cardio a few times a week, and eat clean! No need for an expensive fat burner, but if you do use one its benefits will be greatly enhanced by cardio.
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[QUOTE=deserusan;250543031]Yes it is a bad ass product. If anyone wants samples request them here: [url]http://gasparinutrition.com/Default.aspx?tabid=262[/url]
Pre-sale and write up here: [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/mitotropin.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Guess the free samples aren't for international customers cause the zip code doesn't work. im in london ...
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[QUOTE=SkellorX;251074011]I see everyone sayin stack lX with reduction .............how do you guys stack it. Im to lazy to go readin infos so tell me how you take those[/QUOTE]
bottle instructions for each work perfect as the timing does not overlap. keep us posted on your REDuction feedback, we are always interested.
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[QUOTE=Grahf84;251018561]Michael Phelps ate over 12,000 calories a day and he's one of the skinniest things you'll ever see. Just because you eat alot of calories doesn't make you out of shape or unhealthy really.....[/QUOTE]
well, thats not really a great statement
yes, Phelps easts about 12,000 cals a day............but do ANY of you do as much work as he does in a day?
if he DIDNT eat those cals, he'd pass out. the amount of training he does in the pool and everything, his body rips every bit of energy that it can.
average joe, even a bodybuilder, eating 12k a day is a bit crazy
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[QUOTE=or_yourlivingtodie;251369421]well, thats not really a great statement
yes, Phelps easts about 12,000 cals a day............but do ANY of you do as much work as he does in a day?
if he DIDNT eat those cals, he'd pass out. the amount of training he does in the pool and everything, his body rips every bit of energy that it can.
average joe, even a bodybuilder, eating 12k a day is a bit crazy[/QUOTE]
He's not even a college athlete... he's a world Olympic gold medal winner. So yeah... it's an example, but a bad one.
I understand saying that you can eat 12,000 calories, but who wins 8 gold medals? (However many he won)
I've been taking 3g of L-carnitine + Xenadrine RFA-X... I love the amount of fat my body is losing... but my weight is staying the same. I do NOT want to stay at 180lbs, but it seems no matter HOW much food I eat... I'll burn it off in the course of the week and my body will get smaller.
I can't complain. :)
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Gridiron is fine with what he is eating as long as his BF stays the same in the short term. The bad thing is if he eats that way after football.
When I was in playing football, I was eating 6k minimum calories at 185 and didn't gain a pound. I was also about 4% bodyfat. My metabolism was just through the roof, and I worked it all off. Some people burn food quicker than others. Even now, it is pretty hard for me to gain weight, but I eat much cleaner too, so it is hard for me to consume those kind of calories. But, at 30, it still takes me at least 2700 just to maintain. Some people are just different. Now, add weight training (more like powerlifiting and plyo which will consume more calories than bb training) and practice, and your caloric needs go up greatly.
Having said that, you can always eat cleaner and should, and that should always be a goal for EVERYONE!
As a side note, look at the moron mentzer. He ate 6-8 pounds of meat a day for 20+ years and blames his heart problems on steroids. IDIOT!
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So Mitotropin is supposed to be pretty legit?
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[QUOTE=Moose Milligan;251823391]So Mitotropin is supposed to be pretty legit?[/QUOTE]
It's supposedly better than Ephedra and all the other hardcore stuff.
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I'm using arson right now. It's some pretty good stuff. It coordinates well leaning up in the gym and doing cardio. Helps me lose a lot of water weight and seems to help burn fat under the skin. I have taken lipo 6, vpx meltdown, and ephedra before and this stuff works about as good as ephedra imo. It may just be me, though, but it is the best stuff I know of out there right now. I'm kind of impressed considering it's the same company that makes muscle tech. It also gives a euphoric feeling and really good focus.
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[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;251824701]It's supposedly better than Ephedra and all the other hardcore stuff.[/QUOTE]
I think I'll try Mitotropin then. Hopefully it doesn't make me feel nasty.
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[QUOTE=Moose Milligan;251864581]I think I'll try Mitotropin then. Hopefully it doesn't make me feel nasty.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm tolerant to Stimulants, so I'm trying it as well.
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[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;251869101]Yeah, I'm tolerant to Stimulants, so I'm trying it as well.[/QUOTE]
Have you been on stimulants for a long while? Perhaps you should give your body a few weeks "off" of stimulants (even coffee and chocolate), which after you should shock your system back on to them and see what happens.
Perhaps use some dandelion root and milk thistle while you're "off" of stimulants.
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[QUOTE=Djin;252254181]Have you been on stimulants for a long while? Perhaps you should give your body a few weeks "off" of stimulants (even coffee and chocolate), which after you should shock your system back on to them and see what happens.
Perhaps use some dandelion root and milk thistle while you're "off" of stimulants.[/QUOTE]
It's been a while since I last took a fat burner- SUB Q... I do like the occassional Red Bull and PEA for testing purposes. When I mean tolerant I just mean I handle stimulants well; I believe my high body weight contributes to that fact, as well as my metablism.
I hope Mitotropin will work as advertised.
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[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;252287411]It's been a while since I last took a fat burner- SUB Q... I do like the occassional Red Bull and PEA for testing purposes. When I mean tolerant I just mean I handle stimulants well; I believe my high body weight contributes to that fact, as well as my metablism.
I hope Mitotropin will work as advertised.[/QUOTE]
Never believe what you read. :)
Sucks, but in today's world of "fast acting" "instant pumps" and "massive gains!!!" ads you have to weave through the supplements via trial and error. It's a nice word to hear what others have tried, what has worked for THEM and what hasn't, but what people tend to ALWAYS FORGET is that one thing might work horrible for them, but might be the magic pill (powder, etc) for another person.
It is a costly investment, but I believe you (as a human, or anyone for that matter) and I are worth the investment. Health is the best gift one can give themselves.
If we're so picky and always like to "try" new foods or something, why shouldn't supplements be the same?
But as I've said a trillion times, things are always have to be taken with a grain of salt... there are a few things even I won't get hyped into *Cough* MUSCLETECH *cough*... but to each their own.
As for you being able to handle supplements... each person is different. Lets just hope what you're looking for in this next supplement is the one for YOU. ;)
/end history lesson
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ya Mitotropin sounds good........but some rep wana say y its 21+?
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I used HH for about 2 months and lost a solid 20lb of fat.
I am really doubting that HH had much to do with this. Straight diet of no more than 1750 calories thanks to counting every calorie on fitday.com. Lifting 3x a week /w 45 mins of biking and 3x a week of HIIT.
After using "fat loss pills", ive come to realize they are more motivational than anything else. If your diet is not in check, you're not going to lose weight, period.
On a side note having a six pack during the summer time feels great.
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Just wanted to get everyones opinion regarding stacking. I already talked with the guys at controlled labs but wanted hear yours guy's thoughts.
I have been using REDuction almost done with my 2nd month supply and got excellent results. I will be taking a 2 week - 1 Month break on supplements. Well i want to plan on my next workout and supplements. I want to continue to loose weight and get definition on my body. I was told to stack REDution, Green Mag & Purple Wrath. Do you guys think this is a good stack? What the difference between green mag, purple wrath, and white flood? Any help is appreciated so i can finalize my list so i can order. :).
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[QUOTE=SkellorX;252686171]ya Mitotropin sounds good........but some rep wana say y its 21+?[/QUOTE]
Legal crap to cover their ass just incase some stupid kid takes it and dies from a heart attack or something...
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[QUOTE=Djin;252842551]Legal crap to cover their ass just incase some stupid kid takes it and dies from a heart attack or something...[/QUOTE]
ya but most sups are 18+
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[QUOTE=Djin;252842551]Legal crap to cover their ass just incase some stupid kid takes it and dies from a heart attack or something...[/QUOTE]
I believe it's also because Mito acts upon the Thyroid indirectly. I'm taking it anyway, as long as you follow the directions to a T you should be fine.
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[QUOTE=Tial;252814321]Just wanted to get everyones opinion regarding stacking. I already talked with the guys at controlled labs but wanted hear yours guy's thoughts.
I have been using REDuction almost done with my 2nd month supply and got excellent results. I will be taking a 2 week - 1 Month break on supplements. Well i want to plan on my next workout and supplements. I want to continue to loose weight and get definition on my body. I was told to stack REDution, Green Mag & Purple Wrath. Do you guys think this is a good stack? What the difference between green mag, purple wrath, and white flood? Any help is appreciated so i can finalize my list so i can order. :).[/QUOTE]
sounds great. what were your results on REDuction?
green magnitude = creatine and performance optimizers
white flood - preworkout nitric oxide product with energizers and endurance enhancers
purple wraath - intraworkout essential amino acids and endurance blend
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[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;252887051]sounds great. what were your results on REDuction?
green magnitude = creatine and performance optimizers
white flood - preworkout nitric oxide product with energizers and endurance enhancers
purple wraath - intraworkout essential amino acids and endurance blend[/QUOTE]
Hey Tank,
Thanks for taking the time responding to my emails. I actually sent you another email regarding which ones i am post to take during the day.
With Reduction i have lost 30lbs+ with the right Dieting. You recommended me, reduction, green mag and purple wrath. I don't need white flood?
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starting mitotropin tommorrow hope to get good results.
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[QUOTE=Tial;252898201]Hey Tank,
Thanks for taking the time responding to my emails. I actually sent you another email regarding which ones i am post to take during the day.
With Reduction i have lost 30lbs+ with the right Dieting. You recommended me, reduction, green mag and purple wrath. I don't need white flood?[/QUOTE]
awesome to hear, that is an amazing feat. how is the mirror looking?
white flood would add in well, but make sure to spread it out 4 or more hours from the REDuction AM dose
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[QUOTE=wazida;252944291]fyi , i was watching 60 minutes on tv after a football game today, he was one of the guests to the show and he said that he does not eat 12k calories a day it was a rumor.[/QUOTE]
yah he said its more like 10 or somethin to that nature
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you can eat as much as you want and still loose fat, Its what you burn compared to what you eat, if you burn more then you eat then your loosing weight.
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just a quick question....how does the vpx redline rtd compare to the caps or to the orginal liquid? The profiles look pretty much the same, just wondering. Thinking about giving them a try.
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[QUOTE=razors_edge;253765161]you can eat as much as you want and still loose fat, Its what you burn compared to what you eat, if you burn more then you eat then your loosing weight.[/QUOTE]
Yes... but it's very difficult to out cardio/work out a bad diet.
If you get your diet in check then things are 100x easier.
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[QUOTE=Djin;254038491]Yes... but it's very difficult to out cardio/work out a bad diet.
If you get your diet in check then things are 100x easier.[/QUOTE]
absolutely, diet is the primary tool to losing weight
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update on the mitotropin. im loving it i feel it. ive never felt a thermo or fat burner. it not a bad feeling though. also it gives good energy but keeps me hot all day. only bad thing is that i feel like im dehydarated all the time and i drink water all day. when i took reduction i could never drink water when it said to drink water.
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Recreate
Has anyone here, tried recreate from USP labs.. some of my buddies have used it and got good results and i was just wondering what everyone else think sof it.
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My husband started Mito 3 days ago and the scale says he lost 3 lbs. Let's hope it is not water weight and actual weight (fat) loss. So far so good with no side effects.
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My test of REDuction
[QUOTE=TC72;204722471]After stumbling across this board and reading all of great feed back on so many different products out there. I decided to try reduction. I have been taking it regularly for a week, along with eating much better than normal for me and drinking more water. I could definatly add more exercise into my life though, but saying that , I have lost about 4 lbs....
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My results were exactly same!
The REDuction program is easily managed (@ 2 pills AM/PM) since we often include other supplements: multi-v's, CLA.
The PM formula provides for better sleep! The AM formula was easier on my stomach, less gitters than Cytolean(also a favorite).
*Question:
Is it safe to also include Now liquid L-Carnitine (3000mg)?
My program includes:
(L-Carnitine)??
CLA
REDuction
Slimfast (menu program/recipees)
ON: Multi-V (Performaxx)and Lift Bars
Gaspari Intra Pro protein
Health From the Sun:The Total EFA
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[QUOTE=checat;254641751]My results were exactly same!
The REDuction program is easily managed (@ 2 pills AM/PM) since we often include other supplements: multi-v's, CLA.
The PM formula provides for better sleep! The AM formula was easier on my stomach, less gitters than Cytolean(also a favorite).
*Question:
Is it safe to also include Now liquid L-Carnitine (3000mg)?
My program includes:
(L-Carnitine)??
CLA
REDuction
Slimfast (menu program/recipees)
ON: Multi-V (Performaxx)and Lift Bars
Gaspari Intra Pro protein
Health From the Sun:The Total EFA[/QUOTE]
awesome, glad REDuction is working well for you. its fine to combine
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New to this
I Just started my mitotropin today. Im trying my best to stick to the pamflet that came with it but i cant be EXACT with everything in it. The water isn't hard though. Anyways. I've used a lot of burners out there, ECA stacks etc...and i think that lipo 6 got me as cut as possible...and i even got retarded with the ephedra stuff i took...i was up to 75mg alkaloids a day....not so say...and i ended up sweating a lot more than usual but then again it was summer...i ended up taking lipo 6 after that because i heard much reviews on it...and for me it worked really good...i went down about 10 pounds in a month and was able to keep it off for the whole summer....animal cuts didnt help me out after my recent bulk so i decided to take the new mitotropin..but its ok being this is my first day on it...i will post again soon on results.
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I took hydroxcut hardcore (two bottles, 6 weeks on, 2 off) to drop the first 18 lbs, then I hit a plateau, and took Arson to drop another 7 lbs on one bottle. They were both great.
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DREN-Hands down the best burner on the market for overall fat loss!!
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[QUOTE=jerzydevil;254883711]and i think that lipo 6 got me as cut as possible...and i even got retarded with the ephedra stuff i took...i was up to 75mg alkaloids a day....not so say...and i ended up sweating a lot more than usual but then again it was summer...i ended up taking lipo 6 after that because i heard much reviews on it...and for me it worked really good...i went down about 10 pounds in a month and was able to keep it off for the whole summer....[/QUOTE]
glad to hear about this I just started my first Lipo-6 bottle at the start of the week. This is my first fat-burner ever so if I could get results similar to yours i'd be happy.
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Nutrex's Lipo-6x is the best fat burner on the market today. I used it in preparation for three contests this past summer. I had two first place finishes and one second place finish. Lipo-6 will help you get very lean. You picked a great fat burner.
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I've been wanting to try out REDuction, but I need to know something before I do, for example;
I do carido as soon as I wake up and then I have breakfast. can I take the AM serving before doing cardio, do my cardio, and then have breakfast normally?
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Redcutter;255990991]I've been wanting to try out REDuction, but I need to know something before I do, for example;
I do carido as soon as I wake up and then I have breakfast. can I take the AM serving before doing cardio, do my cardio, and then have breakfast normally?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
I suspect that might even be ideal. What I do is take LX and RED AM on an empty stomach. After about 30 mins I do some 20 burpees and jumping jacks to get myself going for the day, and then I eat breakfast. I'll do regular cardio later in the day, but that works for me.
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What should i get
Hey,
I've been back in the gym since september and i started at 255 and my low weigh in has been 227-228 (around there) on diet and excerise. My only supplements were a muti, glutamine, BCAAs, and fish oil. Now i was looking at alot of fat loss suppluments and i really really really really want to try the E/C/A Stack but i dont have a credit card to get access to them and im not to sure about getting ephedrine HCL contained medicine cause i dont know what the other sh*t in there is going to do to my body.
So I think im going to settle on Lipo-6 but i would like to know if there is another way i can work in trying the E/C/A stack like if you used the gas station ephedrine how did it work for you.
Thanks :-D
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[QUOTE=Redcutter;255990991]I've been wanting to try out REDuction, but I need to know something before I do, for example;
I do carido as soon as I wake up and then I have breakfast. can I take the AM serving before doing cardio, do my cardio, and then have breakfast normally?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
sure, but make sure to stay very hydrated
[QUOTE=galahan;256110851]I suspect that might even be ideal. What I do is take LX and RED AM on an empty stomach. After about 30 mins I do some 20 burpees and jumping jacks to get myself going for the day, and then I eat breakfast. I'll do regular cardio later in the day, but that works for me.[/QUOTE]
sounds great. how are you liking it thus far?