Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

enlighten me on these: black china labs or designer supp.? I need to cut down midsection fat asap, diet is in check.

I just started taking SubQ from Fusion, 3 days ago. I can tell I like it already. My previous experience in fat burners include: redline (liquid), stacker2 w/ & w/o ephedra, xenedrine w/ & w/o ephedra, and now SubQ. I've only been back in the life for 5 months now with a weight loss of only 10 pounds. I thought it was time to get back in the fat burner market. After visiting the supp shop and researching online, I selected SubQ; mainly because of the amino acids that are included. Anyways, I know it has only been 3 days since I've been on the stuff, but I can tell my body is reacting to it. I can't believe I get the same rush almost on the same level as I did with ephedra but without the fuzzy feeling. It does take longer for the rush to kick in though, about 1.5 hour.

I have read from users and mfg that this product should not alter sleeping habits, but it has for me. But take this with a grain of salt. I can stay up all night with no problem with one cup of coffee as well.

best non-caffeine based burner?

I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?

[QUOTE=Juan+Lujan;108722161]I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?[/QUOTE]

I take VPX NO Shotgun PWO, and take Stacker3 XPLC(feels like ECA) a few hours post, this has helped with the energy.....also you could try Red-Line, seems to work well too(not a rep, just love their products)
Cheers and Happy Holidays
Kenny

[QUOTE=wit0005;98608621]I am currently taking 'iSatori Lean System 7' and, after 1.5 weeks, I'm VERY happy with the results. The effect that it has on my energy levels and stamina is fantastic and not so noticeable that you are crawling up the walls.
The company is quick to outline possible side effects, but i found that as long as you keep your water intake up, and have good quality proteins throughout the day; the side effects are minimal if any. I can actually see the shape of my body changing- purely because the pills have given me that extra bit of stamina to run and work out for longer....and HARDER!!!

I've only been on it for a little while, but i'll keep everyone updated once i'm done.[/QUOTE]

I have just ordered iSatori MX LS7 - will review once i start taking them.
Have tried Hydroxycut Hardcore - body temp increased, assisted in fat/water loss
Have tried MHP TakeOff - Not as effective (i think i prefer the liquid caps as opposed to the powdered ones)

im either going with nutrex lipo6x or map arson

But the trick is no fat burner will not work unless you eat right. I use allot of around the house burners like pepper and drinking allot of ice water. But I do take CLA.

The supplement shop i go to does not have a great variety of fat burners, and my debit card is messed up at the moment so i cant order online. So i have a choice between Animal Cuts and HOT-ROX Extreme. Which one would you guys suggest....or stack em both lol

rapidcuts

i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?

Lipo6

on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH!

[QUOTE=jaycat40;113265751]on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH![/QUOTE

Well Lipo6 did not work for me. I take 2 in the morning when I go to work since I do a lot of walking and running around work. On the way home I take other 2 but by that time I'm so tired that the pills put me to sleep.

I remember taking StimX version 2 .... now that had a big kick when working out and running. I gues lipo6 is not strong for me any more since my body got used to it.

What other brand had a good kick plus also supress your hunger...

[QUOTE=mcpieps;112184491]i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?[/QUOTE]

yes try to keep your cardio between 20-30 mins and if you have a heart rate monitor keep it in your target TARGET HEART RATE ZONE which i think is like 50%-60% or your maximum heart rate...treadmills usually have that **** right on them...you dont want to kill yourself during cardio..you should be able to talk to someone while doing it

I don't have much bodyfat but I just want to burn some off of my lower abs that I have never been able to get rid of in my whole life. I am very lean everywhere else.

Problem is - I don't want an appetite suppressant and I don't want to lose muscle. Is this possible?

I was considering CE3 Hi-Def because they claim it is the perfect mix of muscle building supps and thermogenic.

I am also considering Lipo 6 (or 6x), Amphetalean, and Tetrazene ES-50. I havent seen much discussion about Tetrazene, any thoughts?

I got a question. I heard if you take these fat burning pills, whether they be T3, clen, ECA, or even hydroxycut, that they will permanently affect your metabolism. This is due to the decreased need of naturally produced hormones that regulate metabolism, which then continues in the body long after you stop using the dietary supplement. For example

before pills:
10 cakes = 20000 calories = 20 pounds gained

during pills
10 cakes = 20000 calories -.20(20000) = 16 pounds gained
(Now the body reacts by inhibiting 20 percent of naturally released metabolism regulating hormones)

after pills
10 cakes = 1.2(20000) calories = 24 pounds gained, a permanent effect.

I think it's a load of baloney. But I'm just looking for someone to either give me advice on this or point me in the right direction.

Why not try HIIT?

If you guys don't mind me asking but what pills are good to take before working out to burn bf and have a nice big kick of energy...

al/clen buterol

Hey everyone, Im looking for a good ECA Stack for my girlfriends 2 off weeks from her albuterol/t3 cycle. anyone have any thoughts on "Sports One's Real Deal ECA-Stack" or "Hi-Tech's ECA Xtreme" ?

[QUOTE=AllBuffedOut;4628614]Stacker 2, no doubt in my mind. Take with aspirin, hell, take it with 2 aspirins and you feel like you just smoked crack. Heart races like a mofo, works great!

ABO[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!!

[QUOTE=KeepItSmoothBro;87446783]Venom Hyperdrive 3.0

The first time I took it, I was blown away. Ephedrine HCl just got to the point where you needed to show ID for purchases and I wasn't going to do that. The first day, despite my last dosage being at noon, I was up until 1:30 am. The amazing thing was that I was up at 5:30 am, feeling like I got a full night's rest. This continued for about two weeks until even three doses a day was not enough and finally, my sleep went back to normal.

The appetite suppressant is huge here. You have to force yourself to eat because if you're to rely on your gut, you won't be eating much. It is good if you have a structured day but once I went about 15 hours without food when I was going activities with friends and stuff. Not good.

The downside is that you need to be chugging water. If you don't, you will get excruciating headaches that take days to recover from. So keep a water bottle next to you at all times. Seriously.

This is my favorite.[/QUOTE]


I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.

[QUOTE=cappym;115082901]I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.[/QUOTE]


Hey Bro,

I had the same problem with Lipo6 it only worked for me for 2 weeks. My body got use to it.. I would fall asleep after 15 minutes taking it. Since you tried Venom Hyperdrive did that work for you? did you get any side effect from it. I'm looking for a new one. I use to take StimX that was very strong the second version.... I haven't tried the new one yet but I'm interested in Venom Hyperdrive and see if that helps me on my work out.

How was the enegry on that? Did it last a long time like the hunger.
Let me know that way I could look into it.

Malachai

For all you hardcore guys....this stuff is your ticket. For me, it was a ticket to hell. WAY too strong for me. Seriously...if you want to be JACKED ALL DAY, this would be the product to use. I only took 1 pill, and felt like I had done methamphetamine! And water-- you better drink at least a gallon a day. This stuff had me feeling unquenched with a dry mouth no matter how much I drank.
NOT for the stimulant sensitive....
Proceed with caution!

So far Venom Hyperdrive sounds like my kind of pill. I need something that will keep me pump up at work plus also when I get home I'm able to work out and sweat all this BF away...

So I have never used a fat burner before. What would everyone suggest for me (no hydroxycut hardcore)

Scorch?? Venom??

I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.

i just got some trimspa it curbs my appitite good but reviews dont sound good. thginkn bout something else. after i finish ill post a review.

[QUOTE=cappym;116843431]I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.[/QUOTE]



I think tomorrow I will see if i could get me a bottle of hyperdrive. Maybe I will read more about it just in case there is any kind of side effect or anything like that...

Thanks for the post.