Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=Skigazzi;34374551]Scorch is 100% excellent.

Though I will throw in a 100% shameless plug :) for Thermostat from EST, I do believe it to be a pretty nice forumla as well.[/QUOTE]

How do Scorch and Thermostat compare, content/ingredient wise?

Thermostat is pretty awesome I used it for about 2 months while I was cutting off alot of my weight.

[QUOTE=fates_child03;34686261]Thermostat is pretty awesome I used it for about 2 months while I was cutting off alot of my weight.[/QUOTE]

Great to hear, haven't seen a lot of folks using this yet..hopefully that changes over time!

[QUOTE=JK2006;34476361]How do Scorch and Thermostat compare, content/ingredient wise?[/QUOTE]

The cost is about equal for the recommended servings, just over $1 a day for both.

[B]Thermostat[/B]
Niacin 25mg 125%
Vitamin C 15mg 25%

T5 (Thermogenic Phase): 515mg
(caffeine, yerba mate 20%, cayenne pepper, forslean coleus forskolin 20%, capsicum.)

Cort-SP5: 224mg
(Appetite Suppressing Phase)
Simthin, hoodia gordoni 20:1, magnolia bark, phosphatidyl serine 20%

CF3 (Carb Facilitating Phase)
White kidney bean extract 200mg
Chromium polynicotinate 200mcg
Vanadium Chelate 100mcg

D2 (Diuretic Phase) 80mg
Dandelion, Juniper berry extract.

[B]Scorch[/B]
Lean Green Green Tea SE: 250mg
-(90% Catechins, 60% EGCG)
-Total EGCG Per Serving: 150mg
P2 Oolong Tea SE: 250 mg
-(30% Polymerized Polyphenols, 10% EGCG)
-Total Polymerized Polyphenols Per Serving: 75mg
-Total EGCG Per Serving: 25mg
Caffeine USP: 200mg
XN? Xanthinol Nicotinate: 150mg
RK Raspberry Ketones?: 125mg
Evodiamine 99%: 50mg
Coleus Forskholii SE (root, 40% Forskolin): 50mg
Ginger Root (5% gingerols & Shogaols): 50mg
Synephrine 99%: 20mg
Bioperine?: 5mg

Both solid formulas, both pack enough energy punch, scorch is slightly more focused on upping metabolism, while Thermostat is more balanced across a few goals : addressing metabolism, appetite, carb shuttling, and cutting a little water weight.

Is Lipo 6X any good?

[QUOTE=dlim1120;34783031]Is Lipo 6X any good?[/QUOTE]

I literally just looked at that for the first time....its being touted as a thyroid booster, but I think there are better thyroid supps out there, Dicana and Thyrotabs come to mind.

Besides some weak thyroid boosters, its bascially caffeine / yohimbe / synephrine...stimulants that will slightly raise metabolism, and might reduce appetite.

If you wanna go the thyroid route (which I think you should hold off on that at your age), Dicana stacked with Thermostat or Scorch would be good, or for a low stim approach, Dicana , a quality green tea extract, and Sesaglow would be extremely synergistic.

thx a lot fer the reply

Honestly...do these diet pills work?

I tried SAN Tight for about 3 weeks and no results. I lift 4 days a week with the football team and Im trying to lose. Im 5'8, 203lbs and I want to be around 185...I have an Ok diet but it is hard to maintain because of a long school day.

What pills are recommended? I dont care if they are stimulated just as long as the caffeine does not exceed 200mg.

Thanks

Lipo-6 works great for me. Keeps the fat off. But the main thing is, to stay active in the gym or something.

Has anyone used these are they worth a try? Ive been told its the best but you need to use an added fat burner for best results...

Did anyone try both hotrox and lipo 6? Which is better for someone who wants to lose about 15 lbs, aka me?

ive been using san tight!hardcore for about 3 weeks now, one 2 pill dose in the morning before my workout on an empty stomach and ive lost about a lb a week so far while also doing carb cycling, 1 day no carb, 2 day low carb, 1 high carb, then back to zero carb

[QUOTE=Jackdiesel3627;34976521]Did anyone try both hotrox and lipo 6? Which is better for someone who wants to lose about 15 lbs, aka me?[/QUOTE]

I've used both but not at the same time, personally i liked hotrox better as a fat burner i felt llike i got better results with it but both are great for an energy boost..

anyone try thermogain by muscletech? awfully enticing... creatine + thermogenics

Has anybody ever used clenbuterol to lose weight? I'm curious to know how effective it is. I have been told it give you lots of energy and can really melt the fat away if you follow a good exercise and diet plan. ???

[QUOTE=crimjust02769;36473001]Has anybody ever used clenbuterol to lose weight? I'm curious to know how effective it is. I have been told it give you lots of energy and can really melt the fat away if you follow a good exercise and diet plan. ???[/QUOTE]

horrible side effects, better off with a ec stack, unless ur already on gear, then u might wanna do a cycle with some clen and winny, but if ur clean right now stick with basic ephedrine stacked with a yohimbe based fatburner like lipo 6 or jet fuel.. im doin that with great results

Okay I'm a female so I doubt I would be using Winny :)
But I'm curious to know what the side effects are with clen?
There is also nothing on the market with ephedrine in it so how am I supposed to get it?

[QUOTE=crimjust02769;36717071]Okay I'm a female so I doubt I would be using Winny :)
But I'm curious to know what the side effects are with clen?
There is also nothing on the market with ephedrine in it so how am I supposed to get it?[/QUOTE]

clen will make you shake like nobodies business, i mean, hands trembling so bad you cant write. those were the only side effects i had on it. I had a crappy diet and moderate exercise and still lost about 10 lbs with clen in about a month in a half, but i wouldnt recommend it.

do a search on the bodybuilding.com store for ephedra, they sell it for asthma purposes. buy that and some of the cheap caffeine they sell and stack 1 ephedra with 1 caffeine pill twice a day for about 2 weeks, then 2 ephedra and 1 caffeine. (it depends on what kind of caffeine pills you get, but you dont want to exceed 300mg a day)

I am going to test Animal Cuts in May.

But from what I hear, it works well.

Animal Cuts is great imo, and its fun popping the 18 pills a day with it too ;) I like its formula and it's working well with my current cut.

I tried gnc cuts before but didnt like them much, and i thought E/C made me too shakey, however looking back on it I may have been overdoing the coffee intake during that time because I was pulling a lot of late nights around that time.

I am getting ready to do a serious cutting phase. I am going to use the Lipo 6. I'm fairly new to the whole supplement side of this. Would it benefit me to take some sort of creatine with the burner during my cut phase? I would think it would help muscle size, and cut the fat. Am I wrong?

Be carefull with fat burners if you want to build muscle and loose fat at the same time, alot of fat burners actually make you lose muscle too because the caffine make your body make extra cortisol, and that stuff kills muscle from what I've read about it. It's happend to me with oter fat bunrers in the past, I lose all the fat I want to loose, but also always end up loosing some muscle too. That ain't good for me cause I don't put on mucle all that easy.

Right now I'm trying a new product from Healthy 'N Fit called Thermogize. I put on about 20 pounds this winter (10 of which are muscle ), so now I gotta lose those 10 pounds of fat, but I don't want to lose any of that muscle. Thermogize is supposed to be made to help you keep all your muscle while you burn fat. So far it's been great and I've lost about 4 pounds of fat, I'll keep you posted on how it goes.

Help!
I have been using the ECA stack for almost a year now and lost a lot of weight within the first 10 months. I seem to be at a plato and cannot lose any more!. I only eat healthly food and I go to the gym 4-5 times a week. I was thinking of adding 350mg of green tea to the stack, Im not sure if it will make much difference. Has anyone had a similar problem? or any advice.

Redline makes me feel terrible.... nauseated as heck. I'm taking Lipo6 right now and I've taken Zantrex, Hydroxy Cut and several others, nothing seems to help suppress my appetite anymore. I honestly think it's mental of me though.... If I'm depressed I don't eat and tend to lose a lot of weight.... If I'm happy nothing works and I tend to binge from time to time..... especially if I'm stressed. I'm thinking about trying T2 & Dyma-Burn Extreme but again.... I like a lot of it is mental. Good luck to all and take care. :)

Does it not make you sick.... I have the liquid too. Maybe I should not drink it on an empty stomach. Good luck.... :)

Scorth Remix is OUT OF STOCK at BB.com. It must be popular!!! Thanks! I'll add it to my list to try when it's back in stock.

This is the only fat burner thats worked for me ive lost 10lbs. of fat in one week. Another thing that might work is lipovox.

I took Hydroxycut years ago before they changed the formula. I'm weird.... it just takes a lot for my body to respond. Pain pills don't work, prescription sleeping pills don't work. And, I don't do illegal drugs.... so I really don't know why my body doesn't respond well. :)

[QUOTE=52djhsfb;39450011]This is the only fat burner thats worked for me ive lost 10lbs. of fat in one week. Another thing that might work is lipovox.[/QUOTE]



10 LBS. OF FAT IN ONE WEEK?????

I am getting ready for my first show. I used lipodrine with ephdra. I took 2 in the morning before my cardio and 1 before my workout. It worked well for me and would recommend it to others.

[QUOTE=52djhsfb;39450011]This is the only fat burner thats worked for me ive lost 10lbs. of fat in one week. Another thing that might work is lipovox.[/QUOTE]

That crap gave me nose bleeds

[QUOTE=msindependent;39445101]Scorth Remix is OUT OF STOCK at BB.com. It must be popular!!! Thanks! I'll add it to my list to try when it's back in stock.[/QUOTE]

I know. I just started taking Vaporize and I want to stack it with Scorch :(

With all the supplements out here now adays... What can I do to really maximize my Fat% Loss. I am currently taking 250g Protein aday, consuming 180carbs. Eating the correct balance of fats in my diet that my body needs of course. My diet is consistant in that I eat 5-6 times aday with some smaller meals to boost my metabolism periodically. On weekends one day a week I will have a "cheat" meal, little more fat + calories to turn on fat burning for my body. Every day I do 60-70 minutes of straight intense cardio, after a 45 minute lift. I am on a High-frequency, Medium rep (8-12 reps) lifting program right now following a lower frequency- heavier weight- lower rep program to mix it up for my body to build muscle. My rest day is Sunday. I am 19- I weight 245 lbs and I am 5'8... I have a real solid thick base, but still have body fat I need to burn - ( 24-23 %) I want to get down to 205-210lbs turning the fat into muscle. I take Glutamine, Flax Seed, Hydroxcut Hardcore, Gold Stand Whey Protein, Double Strength Omega 3 fish oil's- and cycle on and off Anabolic Switch Creatine all in a timely manor. I use the supplements to restore what is lost during workouts. I know being that I'm young naturally I may not need the creatine.. still tough call. I actually felt stronger w/o it on my workouts when I cycled off. I know people say "Eat eat eat... but I've got enough fat stores to burn off and possible transform into muscle.
Any advice would be great!

[U]To keep on topic[/U] - I'm on [B]Hydroxycut Hardcore[/B] as a primary Fat Burning Supplement. - - Will it help with all posted above?

in 3 weeks after my eca cycle, i will attempt to simultaneously use lipo 6x and eca just to see what happens.

where do i get ECA can i order ephedra and caffentine online ?

no u cant...u have to get some ephedrine hcl "cough medicine" and for caffeine u cud use ordinary coffee, and the aspirin isnt necessary

I need to know if somebody can recomended to take Leviathan and Dicana or any other suggestion taht I can consider. Actally I'm taking HIDROXICUT HARDCORE and it's looks good, also, in the past I took ZEMATHRIN with ephedra. Wich of all of this wiil be the best.

[QUOTE=Zero000;3074200]Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.[/QUOTE]

did u try using a magnifier

Firelean!

Whats a good fat burner that suppresses appetite? I see Scorch is popular...

[QUOTE=mpayan;40354341]I need to know if somebody can recomended to take Leviathan and Dicana or any other suggestion taht I can consider. Actally I'm taking HIDROXICUT HARDCORE and it's looks good, also, in the past I took ZEMATHRIN with ephedra. Wich of all of this wiil be the best.[/QUOTE]

i just ordered myself 3 bottles of the hardcore.. im just waiting for it
trying to get cut is my goal for the next 2 months

[QUOTE=Driven77;39992451]I am getting ready for my first show. I used lipodrine with ephdra. I took 2 in the morning before my cardio and 1 before my workout. It worked well for me and would recommend it to others.[/QUOTE]

Where did you get lipodrine w/ ephedra? I saw it online & it doesn't say anything about ephedra.

[QUOTE=naeem;3050052]there is a supplement called magic herb it helped me to lose 23 pounds in one and a half month[/QUOTE]
Regarding the magic herb...Were you doing anything other than taking this supplement to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
Were you dieting? taking this in conjunction with other supplements. lifting?
please elaborate.

Thanks

[QUOTE=labatia;40619071]i just ordered myself 3 bottles of the hardcore.. im just waiting for it
trying to get cut is my goal for the next 2 months[/QUOTE]
Is Hydroxycut hardcore supposed to have an ingredient in there that the previous ephedra free version doesn't have? Cause in my opinion, the ephedra free version is a complete hoax. It may as well be a placebo. I tried the ephedra free version, and it did NOTHING. I was eating like a horse and had no energy. Other people that have taken it, have said the same thing to me.
Did you have luck with it? Or is hardcore your first try? Let me know if Hardcore has any effect on you. I'd be interested to know.
I used to take Hydroxycut (original with ephedra) when it first came out, and that stuff was the BEST! I lost 30 lbs in 3 months. It completely killed my appetite and gave me such an energy boost. I would only take one pill twice a day, way less than it instructed to take, and it was the GREATEST stuff! I miss it so much. lol
Since the ban, I have tried San Tight, and that **** kept me awake for 2 days. I was even taking it first thing in the morning, thinking it would wear off by nightfall. No such luck. I could not sleep if my life depended on it. It also really warmed me up, hot flashes galore. I dumped that bottle quick.
I'm going to try out the magic herb. I'll let you know my experience with it. Let me know how Hardcore works for you. I need something to kill my appetite and keep my energy up.

[QUOTE=MollyD1016;40637711]Where did you get lipodrine w/ ephedra? I saw it online & it doesn't say anything about ephedra.[/QUOTE]
I just looked it up and found this site. I says with ephedra.

[url]http://www.snsupply.com/lipodrene-ephedra.html[/url]

i've been taking ephedra and hardcore for 4 days now...i take my first dose at 7.30 and the last at 12.30. both 32 mg. and so far no weight loss...wtf?? nothing has changed, no thermogenesis, no side effects, no jitters, its like the **** is goin right through me!! wtf man?????

[QUOTE=samizmom;40818381]Is Hydroxycut hardcore supposed to have an ingredient in there that the previous ephedra free version doesn't have? Cause in my opinion, the ephedra free version is a complete hoax. It may as well be a placebo. I tried the ephedra free version, and it did NOTHING. I was eating like a horse and had no energy. Other people that have taken it, have said the same thing to me.
Did you have luck with it? Or is hardcore your first try? Let me know if Hardcore has any effect on you. I'd be interested to know.
I used to take Hydroxycut (original with ephedra) when it first came out, and that stuff was the BEST! I lost 30 lbs in 3 months. It completely killed my appetite and gave me such an energy boost. I would only take one pill twice a day, way less than it instructed to take, and it was the GREATEST stuff! I miss it so much. lol
Since the ban, I have tried San Tight, and that **** kept me awake for 2 days. I was even taking it first thing in the morning, thinking it would wear off by nightfall. No such luck. I could not sleep if my life depended on it. It also really warmed me up, hot flashes galore. I dumped that bottle quick.
I'm going to try out the magic herb. I'll let you know my experience with it. Let me know how Hardcore works for you. I need something to kill my appetite and keep my energy up.[/QUOTE]

I have been using Hydroxycut Hardcore since last fall, in the first few months it worked well for me, I lost the last few lbs. of baby fat, but what it did for me was give me more energy. I only took 2 pills first thing in the morning, it gave me a boost to get moving. I'm always hungry, it did nothing for my app.
But as w/ everything else I stopped reacting to it after a few months.


[QUOTE=samizmom;40820381]I just looked it up and found this site. I says with ephedra.

[url]http://www.snsupply.com/lipodrene-ephedra.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks I didn't find that web site. I took the original hydroxycut w/ephedra few years back. That really worked for me. I need to try something different that I can cycle between, to keep my body reacting to it.

Hi

Im new to this forum. I am a 26 yr old female, 5 foot 9 inches who is shall we say a big girl who's trying but needs help. At the start of the year I am ashamed to say that I weighed around 22 stone . I have been on a strict diet that I set myself and have been doing some cardio, some weights on my upper body and shoulders etc and today i am sitting just over 19 stone. I have always been a 'big girl' but this time i am determined to do it. I WANT and am going to have a FIT and TONED body.

One of the problems that I have is that I have been using the original Stack 2 (with ephedra) and E.C.A. 30+, I live in the UK and the place that I used to get my supply has closed down. I have tried online to get either of the products but to no avail, all the stack 2 that I could find was ephedra free.

Could anyone please help me??

Could anyone recommend a fat burner to me that would help??

Many thanks

I'm looking into starting on a fat burner for the first time- what's it like once the weight is off; is it off for good (assuming you keep your diet in line)? or is your metabolism/body so changed from the supplement it puts the fat right back on once you've stop popping the pills?

[QUOTE=MollyD1016;40966881]I have been using Hydroxycut Hardcore since last fall, in the first few months it worked well for me, I lost the last few lbs. of baby fat, but what it did for me was give me more energy. I only took 2 pills first thing in the morning, it gave me a boost to get moving. I'm always hungry, it did nothing for my app.
But as w/ everything else I stopped reacting to it after a few months.




Thanks I didn't find that web site. I took the original hydroxycut w/ephedra few years back. That really worked for me. I need to try something different that I can cycle between, to keep my body reacting to it.[/QUOTE]

Hydroxycut
-Caffeine based one
-non caffeine based one
and Hydroxy Cut Hardcore
are all different.....HARDCORE isnt supposed to suppress your appetite its one of the concoctions that help you burn more calories during the day and help in fat oxidation. also burn more when/during your work out...**** i lost 75lbs off the stuff....look at my progress pictures if you dont believe me, i only went through 2 cycles and now i dont use it at all. I just use l-carnitine now...

i used hydroxycut hardcore last summer and went from 236 to 200. but then again i started to eat healthy, exercise more, and do more cardio...I don't know if the weight loss was because of my lifestyle change (which I know a lot of it has to do with that) but I'm kinda curious how much i lost because of the hardcore...if i did lose anything because of the hard core.

well im looking to cut again and I was debating whether to use hardcore again or possibly hot rox extreme or Lipo 6. Any advice is appreciated