Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=Djin;168945241]Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown[/url]

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.[/QUOTE]

Lipo 6 has Yohimbine, and even when I was consuming the full dose of Lipo6 , I felt no effects whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.

[QUOTE=Djin;168945241]Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown[/url]

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.[/QUOTE]

Im useing meltdown now along with lean xtreme and i have not felt any bad side effects....have not felt light headed or like throwing up. People say they feel the euphoric effects from it (since it contains the same ingriedent in chocolate that triggers some nerve or something like that) but i ussually don't feel those things. But when i do take it earlier in the afternoon im usually not as tired at work wich is good. I have been using this along with lean xtreme for the past couple weeks and i can definitely see a difference in my body and i have been constantly loosing weight. Was somewhere in the mid-low 190's and this morning i was 186.5. Obviously this is with eating healthy for a cut and doing cardio/weights.

By the way how did you like animal cuts?? Cuz i just ordered mine today, i'll be using that in a couple weeks when im done with my lean xtreme/meltdown.

[QUOTE=gregorious;168968931]Lipo 6 has Yohimbine, and even when I was consuming the full dose of Lipo6 , I felt no effects whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.[/QUOTE]

I know Lipo6 has it, but Meltdown has a MUCH higher dose then 20mg.

@EvolutionIX

Animal Cuts is alright. Nothing too great. It's 9! pills per pack. I still like MAN Scorch and Tetrazene Extreme stacked with Lipo6X.

I tried Animal Cuts again after losing 40lbs, and I need something with a bigger KICK. This is why I was asking about Meltdown. Since I heard it's wild and crazy feeling, I thought this might be right up my ally.

where you taking anything else while taking animal cuts? or do you know of something that would stack good with it to up the effects?
Lean xtreme im about to finish so i'll be taking time off of that if anyone says to stack that with my animal cuts.

The only thing I am taking with Animal Cuts is my multivitamin (Opti-Men), 1g of L-carnitine and a colon cleaner. ;) (Gotta stay regular)

That's about 20 pills first in the morning. And then another 10 my second dose.

Animal Cuts is pretty much a pill that does it all. From reading the thermo you're taking and the things inside Animal Cuts, you should feel a difference.

After you're done with your current thermo, I'd suggest taking about a week of for your body to get most the things out of your system... and when you start another thermo, your body will be "shocked" back into the process of fat burning.

[QUOTE=EvolutionIX;168972921]Im useing meltdown now along with lean xtreme and i have not felt any bad side effects....have not felt light headed or like throwing up. People say they feel the euphoric effects from it (since it contains the same ingriedent in chocolate that triggers some nerve or something like that) but i ussually don't feel those things. But when i do take it earlier in the afternoon im usually not as tired at work wich is good. I have been using this along with lean xtreme for the past couple weeks and i can definitely see a difference in my body and i have been constantly loosing weight. Was somewhere in the mid-low 190's and this morning i was 186.5. Obviously this is with eating healthy for a cut and doing cardio/weights.

By the way how did you like animal cuts?? Cuz i just ordered mine today, i'll be using that in a couple weeks when im done with my lean xtreme/meltdown.[/QUOTE]
Hi. I used meltdown. It s a decent fatburner not spectacular. You definitely get that Euphoric effect and it keeps you very positive and clear headed. I didn't experience any negative side effects except for seing Elvis every other day. Lol. No you don't hallucinate from this stuff thats rediculous! If you want hardcore cutting go with Hydroxycut Hardcore or Muscle Asylum Project -Arson. I'm going on that one next week I heard its awesome.

For anyone who isn't already aware of this...Sudafed, aka-pseudoephedrine, is very attainable legal ephedrine; over the counter no less! Just take one long acting sudafed, preferably the 12 hr version in the a.m. if you care about sleeping...in conjunction with 1 bayer asprin and a 200mg caffeine pill, and you have the old hydroxycut!! Works great for curbing appetite and thermogenic effect as well. For added performance, take 1 Syneburn pill(10mg of synephrine) with the above. I finally feel like I have my Hydroxycut back!!! GOOD STUFF!!!

[QUOTE=samizmom;169200641]For anyone who isn't already aware of this...Sudafed, aka-pseudoephedrine, is very attainable legal ephedrine; over the counter no less! Just take one long acting sudafed, preferably the 12 hr version in the a.m. if you care about sleeping...in conjunction with 1 bayer asprin and a 200mg caffeine pill, and you have the old hydroxycut!! Works great for curbing appetite and thermogenic effect as well. For added performance, take 1 Syneburn pill(10mg of synephrine) with the above. I finally feel like I have my Hydroxycut back!!! GOOD STUFF!!![/QUOTE]

LOL, just because they both convert into a similar substance doesn't mean they react the same way in your body. Quit giving inaccurate advice.

[QUOTE=joshy22;169185481]Hi. I used meltdown. It s a decent fatburner not spectacular. You definitely get that Euphoric effect and it keeps you very positive and clear headed. I didn't experience any negative side effects except for seing Elvis every other day. Lol. No you don't hallucinate from this stuff thats rediculous! If you want hardcore cutting go with Hydroxycut Hardcore or Muscle Asylum Project -Arson. I'm going on that one next week I heard its awesome.[/QUOTE]

Want to hear something funny? If you dig deep (like I love LOVE to do), Muscle Asylum Project's; Arson is the same company and almost the same fat burner as Hydroxycut.

Same company, same idea behind both. Look it up if you don't believe me.

I try and stay away from those two since I didn't really get much out of them... or I don't really know. A fat burner is hard to tell if it's working or not. Also I'm not a big fan of company's that relabel their product under a different name and take us for a ride.

well i have taken meltdown AND hot rox at the same time...actually i started meltdown 2 weeks earlier and got nothing out of it but the occ "euphoric feeling" when i realized that i needed something better....went out and bought hot rox...stacked the 2 of them together for a few weeks (first only half of each recommended dose so i wouldnt have a heart attack and progressing to full doses of each)....and then just hot rox at the end...NOTHING HAPPENED...i felt nothing...meltdown did nothing for me..not even when stacked with hot rox...come to think of it hot rox has done nothing for me either except give me a raspberry taste in my mouth when i burp after taking them...from the ketones...no good in my opinion, but hey maybe it will work for you...good luck

by the way how did you like animal cuts...besides the chokin on 9pills at a time part???

[QUOTE=super_power;169434091]well i have taken meltdown AND hot rox at the same time...actually i started meltdown 2 weeks earlier and got nothing out of it but the occ "euphoric feeling" when i realized that i needed something better....went out and bought hot rox...stacked the 2 of them together for a few weeks (first only half of each recommended dose so i wouldnt have a heart attack and progressing to full doses of each)....and then just hot rox at the end...NOTHING HAPPENED...i felt nothing...meltdown did nothing for me..not even when stacked with hot rox...come to think of it hot rox has done nothing for me either except give me a raspberry taste in my mouth when i burp after taking them...from the ketones...no good in my opinion, but hey maybe it will work for you...good luck

by the way how did you like animal cuts...besides the chokin on 9pills at a time part???[/QUOTE]

Let me explain a little bit about the body and fat burning before giving my opinion on Animal Cuts.

You don't need to "feel" anything for fat to burn. You don't "feel" your body make blood, you don't "feel" most things your body does. I understand that we (as a consumer) want that feeling of our body about to go into an acute heart attack, our body sweating while we suck down oat meal and protein, but we also have to understand that it takes TIME for our body to lose weight.

It didn't take us 2 days to gain 20lbs, and it sure won't take that long to lose it. Especially losing weight. I forget the numbers, but it's something like 2,500 calories you must burn to equal one pound of fat... (Someone correct me if that's off) So unless you eat like a crackhead, it will take about a week to drop 1-3lbs.



As for Animal Chokes, er, Cuts... choking down 9 pills is something you get use to (I suck down 15 first thing waking up). I notice shortly after taking these I actually do "feel" myself more alert and "buzzed". The feeling tends to stay with me, even after eating.

I do have some personal issues with some of the ingredients, but for what it is, it works pretty well. I would give it a 7/10. I personally don't like taking that many ****ing pills, and I like to be able to stack more then one together.

But, it's nice to have these little packets filled with happy little pills to choke on every morning. :)

Djin i'd be interested in seeing some before and after pix from your progress and experience with fat burners.

Uh, look at my bodyspace.

Scorch and Venom hyperdrive 3.0, the best I've tried so far...

[QUOTE=Zero000;3074200]Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.[/QUOTE]


Then its useless to waste money on suppliments ,,,start jogging for 45 minutes every alternate day and keep yourself in calorie zone of not more than 2500 per day ,after following this for 3 weeks start weight training and take 2-4 caps of Lipo 6X ....you be shredded in 12-18 weeks.

and no meals after 6 Pm only whey shake is optional but after 3 weeks only .


Trust me .............u shall be transformed

I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?

[QUOTE=BelieveTheHype;169904121]I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?[/QUOTE]

I'm so bored right now... so yeah, I'm trolling (laid off from work).

Hahaha... I am about to be finished with my cycle of Animal Cuts. It gives me a buzz in the morning, but I think that's from the other 15 pills I suck down.

It's not too bad... it always gives me a feeling of dry mouth. I must drink about 2 gallons of water and I still always feel like I can drink more. I know Animal Cuts makes you piss more, but it's something I've gotten use to.

For example, I just ate a groovy grilled chicken salad with oil/vinegar and eggs and other good things.. and I still am buzzing from Animal Cuts I took a few hours ago.... it's alright though for what it does.

[QUOTE=Djin;169905671]I'm so bored right now... so yeah, I'm trolling (laid off from work).

Hahaha... I am about to be finished with my cycle of Animal Cuts. It gives me a buzz in the morning, but I think that's from the other 15 pills I suck down.

It's not too bad... it always gives me a feeling of dry mouth. I must drink about 2 gallons of water and I still always feel like I can drink more. I know Animal Cuts makes you piss more, but it's something I've gotten use to.

For example, I just ate a groovy grilled chicken salad with oil/vinegar and eggs and other good things.. and I still am buzzing from Animal Cuts I took a few hours ago.... it's alright though for what it does.[/QUOTE]
How long have you been cycling it? Also do you stack it with Animal Stak? I plan on buying it with some GreenMAG....interested how its going to work.

This is the second time I've used it since January. I tend to gravitate back to Animal Cuts when I want to get the water out of my system and have a decent thermo.

I stack it with Opti-Men (multi), 1g of L-carnitine. Seems to keep me "buzzing" through out the day. Even after eating I still buzz.

That's the mental part of the pills that seem to help me focus on things... ;)

ive been using lipo 6 along with CLA, Creakic, multi and aminos. Looking for something a little stronger than the lipo 6. I used to be a big fan of EC stacks but the ephedrine was messing with my digestive system. What would be a good product to take with the other supps im taking?

I've been using Arson for a week and been loving it. Has anybody else tried it out?

[QUOTE=BellyFat101;170302751]I've been using Arson for a week and been loving it. Has anybody else tried it out?[/QUOTE]

Yup. And I stacked it was Lipo6X... it was alright.

[QUOTE=BelieveTheHype;169904121]I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?[/QUOTE]

just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.

[QUOTE=EricFTW;170410731]just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.[/QUOTE]

o and too add to animal cuts expierence, i buzzed the whole first day and was very gittery about an hour after i took my pills, felt like i was getting attacked by spiders in my first period class but after the first 2-3 days i got over it

how do you like the hydroxy cut?

sometimes i get a headache, or is it just casued by my lack of sleep?

[QUOTE=EricFTW;170410731]just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.[/QUOTE]

Animal Cuts removes water, that's why.

[QUOTE=Djin;170500501]Animal Cuts removes water, that's why.[/QUOTE]

yea, after that i started bringing gallon water jugs to school.

as soon as I finish my bottle of hydroxycut i will be switching to man scorch/vaporize

[QUOTE=ThePatriot;165667101]i pose this question also![/QUOTE]Yes!arson is very good.

I do hope people know Arson and Hydroxycut are made by the same people and pretty much do the same thing.