Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=chronkituss;226724561]So i just bought the 42 pack of animal cuts E/C/A stacks and i was wondering if there is any bad side effects, or long term heath effects that i should know about before taking them?

I also do 1hr 1/2 of cardio a day keeping a heart rate of 145 and i weight 180 so that is the right heart rate to run at for me i'm pretty sure.

i also take NO xpload, cellmass, and optimum whey protein, and universal animal pack(44 pack)[/QUOTE]

1.5h of cardio is too long IMO, you going into a catabolic state and breaking your muscles down for energy. Bring it down to 30min a day and take BCAA's before your cardio to preserve your muscle ...

Alright guys...

It's 2008 - Depression EXISTS..so i'm after a bit advice based on this if anyone can help...I started on an anti-depressant that really DOES work...although it has raised my 30" ripped waist to 32" and i can pinch those 2" of surface fat. And i'm HATING it!

Since then i started takin Thermonex by BSN - OK so it's a thermogenic and my body temp has definitely increased, however I have noticed no fat reductions what so ever.

My diet is generally good, enough protein for muscle repair from food and from supplements - BSN Syntha-6. And enough carbs for energy but not too much.

I've been increasing my cardio gradually as the depression tablets completely destroyed my stamina.

Anyone know of any safe and effective fat loss supplementation that won't clash with Paroxetine Hydrochloride?

Oh yeah...and has anyone tried drinking green tea...and does it really work?

Thanks. K

I've tried all of the major brands with little results. Hardcore, Lipo 6, you name it. A friend told me about this stack to try. These are by far the best weight loss pills I've ever taken. It's not loaded with just stimulants like most others. It helped me burn fat, curb my appetite get rid of excess water. I would recommend this to all! [url]www.getmaxxed.com[/url].

Peace

[QUOTE=lalakers87;225472121]can i take REDuction with any NO products? i like to use black powder or supercharge wen lifting? Is my heart gunna explode haha?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=paganman;225477881]I'd space them out by at least 6 hours. I take REDuction am at 6:30 am, and White Flood preworkout at 6:00 PM, and I've had no problems. Even more, taking White Flood so late at night doesn't effect my sleep (the REDuction pm tabs must be working!).[/QUOTE]
exactly. I usually suggest 4-5 hours at least between AM reduction and a stim preworkout product.
[QUOTE=Chococat;225481911]I just started yesterday Sunday 9/28 to make my push to get under 300lbs. I took a few days of a break physically and mentally. I tend to obsess over bodybuilding way too much and after a while it drains me mentally. Even moreso than physically. This is part of the reason I left bodybuilding at 23 years old. I've been off REDuction for about a week and will be placing an order today. I weighed myself Saturday and I was at 323.2 which is about a pound up before I took my week long break. I'm sure alot of is water and carbs since I've been eating alot more carbs. Yesterday I started back up. I plan on being under 300 by the end of the month. My goal is October 31st >300lbs. I'll keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]
that is awesome and I think your goal is attainable if you work at it really hard. keep us updated. we are always interested in feedback :)
[QUOTE=briankoke;225931781]CONTROLLED LABS

as you know my wrath mag flood cycle was fantastic and im currently cycling of flood with glycer. in about a month i plan to start cutting with reduction. what else should i take while cutting?[/QUOTE]
what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.
[QUOTE=fatflyboy;226117631]Ok so I'm 26 with a BMI of 29.2(215LBS) according to my last pt test. I've been taking Lipo 6x with limited results, I lost about 8 lBS. From what I've read REDuction sounds like one of the most popular fat burners. But how is the energy level on it? I work graves and rarely get enough sleep, on a avg. I get 6 hours of sleep and with lipo 6x I'm getting a nice boost of energy with out any problem sleeping as long as I take it befor midnight. I must get down to either a BMI of 23 or 201 LBS so that I can join active duty navy! I would appreciate any and all help.[/QUOTE]energy is good and smooth and lasts throughout the day. you dont get the cracked out jittery feeling you get with most fat burners :)

[QUOTE=fatflyboy;226117631]Ok so I'm 26 with a BMI of 29.2(215LBS) according to my last pt test. I've been taking Lipo 6x with limited results, I lost about 8 lBS. From what I've read REDuction sounds like one of the most popular fat burners. But how is the energy level on it? I work graves and rarely get enough sleep, on a avg. I get 6 hours of sleep and with lipo 6x I'm getting a nice boost of energy with out any problem sleeping as long as I take it befor midnight. I must get down to either a BMI of 23 or 201 LBS so that I can join active duty navy! I would appreciate any and all help.[/QUOTE]

i took REDuction, and the energy was great in the AM and throughout the day. but after about 2 weeks, it lost it's effect on me. weight loss, i didn't notice much, but i blame my diet, not the supplement. i've been good with my diet except for the last few weeks. i'd definitely try REDuction again. and sleep was great with the PM pill. but i'm also thinking about giving Meltdown a shot or going back to Recreate.

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226890341]

what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.

already take triad just forgot to list. thanx!!

[QUOTE=TxTreb88;226899291]i took REDuction, and the energy was great in the AM and throughout the day. but after about 2 weeks, it lost it's effect on me. weight loss, i didn't notice much, but i blame my diet, not the supplement. i've been good with my diet except for the last few weeks. i'd definitely try REDuction again. and sleep was great with the PM pill. but i'm also thinking about giving Meltdown a shot or going back to Recreate.[/QUOTE]
if you have taken stims for a long time, the effects wear off more easily. cycle off stims every 30-60 days for at least a week.
[QUOTE=briankoke;226902241][QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226890341]

what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.

already take triad just forgot to list. thanx!![/QUOTE]

awesome, your good to go then :)

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226906301]if you have taken stims for a long time, the effects wear off more easily. cycle off stims every 30-60 days for at least a week.
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after each bottle, i'd normally try to go off for about a week. i'll probably get REDuction again, just to keep up with the other CL products i stack. i will admit, it's by far the best stim i've used for a fat burner. i have two more days left of it to use, and i'll order more next week. now i just gotta find it in the budget to try some Orange TRIad. :D

[QUOTE=toast.tm;214684371]I am 4 days in takin REDuction and I have had to stop as my spine has decided it hates me and wants to cause as much pain as posible.

I started a new diet cutting down but not ignoring carbs taking reduction and training 4-5 times a week 3 days weights 2 HIIT cardio. I did nothing to 'jar' my spine but all of a sudden all my joints have gone 'creaky'.

Has anyone else had this after taking REDuction.... I am not blaming it, I just want to try and rule it out as it is the only new addition to my diet!

Additional info. FYI. I went to the hospital and had tests on my heart, lungs and bloodpressure... all fine. I know its only 4 days into it but i'm pretty sure that it it was an ephidra based product they would have pulled me on blood pressure atleast. They did however crack my spine back into place which didnt help, which is why I am thinking its a joint swelling inflamed thing linked to something.[/QUOTE]

Same thing happened to me. I started on Sat. and took my last my pill last night. Taking REDuction was the only thing I changed and now that I stopped my back isn't killing me as much as it was before. It's only been about 15 hours since my last pill but I can definitely feel the difference. Sucks cuz I just bought two month supply.

[QUOTE=dvshane;226804221]1.5h of cardio is too long IMO, you going into a catabolic state and breaking your muscles down for energy. Bring it down to 30min a day and take BCAA's before your cardio to preserve your muscle ...[/QUOTE]

So are u saying that i should take my creatine, protein , or E/C/A stacks before cardio?

[QUOTE=chronkituss;227191291]So are u saying that i should take my creatine, protein , or E/C/A stacks before cardio?[/QUOTE]

I have never used ECA stack so I wouldn't be able to help you with that. I'd take the creatine about half an hour before your cardio and protein straight afterwards ...

[QUOTE=TxTreb88;226908161]after each bottle, i'd normally try to go off for about a week. i'll probably get REDuction again, just to keep up with the other CL products i stack. i will admit, it's by far the best stim i've used for a fat burner. i have two more days left of it to use, and i'll order more next week. now i just gotta find it in the budget to try some Orange TRIad. :D[/QUOTE]

awesome, which products are you using? orange triad would be an excellent addition. :)

howsafe is phetermine? and could i stack it with reduction? I SURE ITS DANGEROUS

Im far from an expert on any of this stuff. But Ive tried Hc, HC hardcore, green tea, and a few others I cant remember (No results, so I forget their name). I found what worked best for me was obviously diet, but I really liekd the EAS Thermo-dynamix teamed up with liquid carnitine. I went on a not so strict diet, basically just avoided fried stuff, and I lost 10 lbs in a month. I took the team for 3 months, and lost a good 25 lbs. I was very impressed. Just my experience though....

[QUOTE=ATLYROC;227486641]howsafe is phetermine? and could i stack it with reduction? I SURE ITS DANGEROUS[/QUOTE]

REDuction is perfect on its own, no need to add anything else :)

yeah i understand that but i have both and was wondering if it was safe.

yes ...no?

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Has anyone tried Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x?

My brother (25% BF), who is about 220 lbs and wants to go down to 200 lbs plans on using one of them for about 3 months with about 45 minutes of cardio per day. Would it be a wise choice?

Or is REDuction better?

He is also 17.5 years old, are there any risks taking one of those three?

I just got done useing Lipo-6x. I did loose a few pound's with it, around 8 pounds. I had also changed my diet and am working out 5 days a week. I think that if he changes his diet and is working out along with 6x he'll start loosing some weight. But don't leave the 6x any where HOT couse the capsule's will start leaking! GNC had to give me a free bottle couse of this! O and I'm a noob at this working out stuff so I'm by far no expert.

[QUOTE=8-Hype;228527061]Has anyone tried Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x?

My brother (25% BF), who is about 220 lbs and wants to go down to 200 lbs plans on using one of them for about 3 months with about 45 minutes of cardio per day. Would it be a wise choice?

Or is REDuction better?

He is also 17.5 years old, are there any risks taking one of those three?[/QUOTE]

give the REDuction FREE sample a shot

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;228846991]give the REDuction FREE sample a shot[/QUOTE]

But are there any risks if he takes REDuction at age 17.5?

[QUOTE=8-Hype;228906331]But are there any risks if he takes REDuction at age 17.5?[/QUOTE]

there are risks at any age with any product. he should consult his doctor and parents before taking any supplements.

I ordered REDuction on Sunday and will be using it for the first time when it arrives tomorrow. I'm 6'3" 305lbs, down from 340 over the summer. I'll let you all know how it goes.

How good is reduction really? My body's resilient and I didn't respond to hydroxicut hc or methyl ripped

After 3 weeks of Lipo 6X I've lost 9 pounds so far after hitting my first plateau. The capsules are leaking though, because I put them in my gym bag and left it in the car and it got too hot. Sucks, but the long release is the really important part. I can deal with the smaller portions on my own mentally.

I had a quick question. Starting on Monday I will be stacking Lean Xtreme with REDuction to get my body fat % down. How would you recommend cycling these products after the 30 days is up? Currently this was the plan:

Lean Xtreme - Starting with 2 caplets a day and eventually making my way up to 4 caplsules throughout the day.

REDuction - Starting with 1 AM/PM tablet a day and making my way up to 2.

In the meantime besides balancing my diet I am going to being doing cardio 5 days a week (6 if possible) in 30 minute increments as well as lifting on Mon/Wed/Fri.

I will also be taking:

ON 100% Whey Gold Standard (1 scoop 2-3 per day)
2 Omega Labs fish oil tablets per day
1 pack of Animal Pak per day
Minimum 1 gallon of water per day

I GET CONFUSED BY SOME OF THESE COMPANIES WHO COME UP WITH THE LATEST FAT BURNING SUPPLEMENT. TIME AFTER TIME. If supplements are so effective, then why do new ones keep coming out every year - what happened to last year's "miracle" supplement? REDLINE-MELTDOWN/ TETRAZENE EXTREME-BETASTAX/THERMOSHRED-HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE/ I'M A DIE HARD FAN OF LIPO 6 AND TRUTH BE TOLD I THINK ITS BETTER THAN THE NEW ONE. LIPO 6X....I HAVENT SEEN BIOTEST CHANGE A NAME OR NOTHING. SO HOT ROX MUST BE LEGIT.....HANDS DOWN

I have been on the Reduction and LX stack with great results. The pm pill in reduction is wonderful as a sleep aid. I havent slept this good in a while. I am giving stims a break after I am finished with this stack. Would it be ok to use just the pm pill for a sleep aid long term????

[QUOTE=wildjames;229110521]I ordered REDuction on Sunday and will be using it for the first time when it arrives tomorrow. I'm 6'3" 305lbs, down from 340 over the summer. I'll let you all know how it goes.[/QUOTE]
awesome, keep us posted on results
[QUOTE=AmericanPsycho;229118151]How good is reduction really? My body's resilient and I didn't respond to hydroxicut hc or methyl ripped[/QUOTE]
have you cycled off stims? if so, I think REDuction will work beautifully for you :)
[QUOTE=GaresTaylan;229417501]I had a quick question. Starting on Monday I will be stacking Lean Xtreme with REDuction to get my body fat % down. How would you recommend cycling these products after the 30 days is up? Currently this was the plan:

Lean Xtreme - Starting with 2 caplets a day and eventually making my way up to 4 caplsules throughout the day.

REDuction - Starting with 1 AM/PM tablet a day and making my way up to 2.

In the meantime besides balancing my diet I am going to being doing cardio 5 days a week (6 if possible) in 30 minute increments as well as lifting on Mon/Wed/Fri.

I will also be taking:

ON 100% Whey Gold Standard (1 scoop 2-3 per day)
2 Omega Labs fish oil tablets per day
1 pack of Animal Pak per day
Minimum 1 gallon of water per day[/QUOTE]
cycle off REDuction for 2 weeks after every 2 boxes. only take 1 pill the first day, then jump up to the normal dose.
[QUOTE=d7;229489921]I have been on the Reduction and LX stack with great results. The pm pill in reduction is wonderful as a sleep aid. I havent slept this good in a while. I am giving stims a break after I am finished with this stack. Would it be ok to use just the pm pill for a sleep aid long term????[/QUOTE]

awesome. it really does. the pm helps with sleep and the am for energy (in addition to the fat burning mechanisms), that is crucial in fat loss.