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I've never taken a fat burner, but I'm wanting to now that I just had a great bulk. I want to maintain as much muscle as possible while also burning fat and dropping from 200 down to 185. Here are the products I'm considering taking along with a CLA product:
Animal Cuts with Animal Stak
REDuction
MusclePharm Shred Matrix
Grenade Thermo Detonator
BSN Hyper Shred
Any suggestions on which I should take and why?
I am just about to order a fat burner and creatine monohydrate. I was just curious if that is a good idea? I know creatine makes you hold water weight. A answer as fast as possible would be nice, want to order the stuff tonight!
[QUOTE=Lineman99;1025902803]I am just about to order a fat burner and creatine monohydrate. I was just curious if that is a good idea? I know creatine makes you hold water weight. A answer as fast as possible would be nice, want to order the stuff tonight![/QUOTE]
Taking creatine on a cut is a good thing. Creatine doesn't make you hold water weight, and even if it did, who cares? Are you concerned with your weight on the scale, or your body fat %. You should be concerned with body fat %, in which case water weight is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Justamonsta;1025916223]Taking creatine on a cut is a good thing. Creatine doesn't make you hold water weight, and even if it did, who cares? Are you concerned with your weight on the scale, or your body fat %. You should be concerned with body fat %, in which case water weight is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Right now I am concerned about the weight on the scale. I have put on some pounds on the off season so I need to lose weight then just gain a lot of muscle.
Also I cant truly decide on a fat burner. Right now I am leaning toward Lipo 6 black but I also see all of these other great options. Like Animal Cuts and Hydroxycut Elite. I did try a sample of both Hydroxycut and reduction. I didnt feel anything from the hydroxycut or the reduction. I also really hated the flavor of reduction, I almost puked after taking it. If anyone can chime in and give me good honest reviews other than this product rocks it would be helpful!
Absolutely loved Gaspari Detonate until I lost my libido completely by the 7th or 8th day. :/ now I'm taking Cellucor Super HD and its going well. Not quite the same as detonate for mood and good feeling, but the fat is coming off quick
What's the best for appetite suppression?
[QUOTE=coughs;1034482513]What's the best for appetite suppression?[/QUOTE]
Food.
OEP was pretty intense the first week as far as hunger suppression went, not a single craving was had. Gets dulled down after that though. I'd recommend a cup of black coffee(I cheat and put a packet of Splenda) or green tea.
My vote would go to lipodrene, worst jitters though.
I've taken:
Oep
Animal cuts
Hydroxcut
Roxy lean
Oep- was ok the first time
A.cuts always good
Other stuff so so
I'm trying an eca stack but need a source bc bb.com doesn't sell any more can some pm me?
Also I see a lot of the ec pills online have like 50-150mg of ephedra in it. Is it not "real" ephedra? Bc I read not to go over 65mg and to build up to that
Why doesnt bb.com have a caffeine or pre workout product? Or do they? They have a protein, a cla product and their own l carnitine. So why no caffeine or pre workout? Also does anybody know where I can get real ephedra? They stopped selling Broncade at all the drug stores. Thanks for the help guys,,,
[QUOTE=robert890571;1035763453]Why doesnt bb.com have a caffeine or pre workout product? Or do they? They have a protein, a cla product and their own l carnitine. So why no caffeine or pre workout? Also does anybody know where I can get real ephedra? They stopped selling Broncade at all the drug stores. Thanks for the help guys,,,[/QUOTE]
They Do. It's called scream
Check this out...we are running a promo on our MX-LS7v2...why not see what you achieve with this? All you need to do is agree to run a log, youtube video, and store review...
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I remember when I first made my order here at BB, I got a free sample of TSN Xat-7. It gave me a very nice energy rush and the appetite suppression was amazing. I then started doing research on fat burners, in conclusion I got Hydroxycut hardcore elite since it had one of the highest ratings and really nice reviews. I shouldn't have went with this since HHE was a big disappointment. I felt little to no energy, felt like I was taking CLA, which I also tried before trying HHE. I am going to order TSN xat-7 since it had what I wanted. Should have went with that from the beginning. I have about ~80 capsules remaining in HHE. Willing to give it away if anyone is interested. Just pm me for details.
from what ive tried
OEP original mix - very strong, killed me appetite and get me plenty of energy
OEP newer mix - not as strong as the original but still kept my appetite down but the crash became ALOT more noticeable.
RoxyLean - HORRIBLE. i didn't take the time to research this as i got it for free, but i took it for about a week and every time within 30 minuts of taking it i was throwing up. now after researching it i have found negative reviews everywhere.
ANS-HIT - These arent as strong as OEP but the energy is very clean. No jitters or headaches just very alert and focused. What i didn't like is that with oep I could take the 2 and sometimes 3 a day and be wired all day. With HIT the dosage is 3 a day butttt i was still losing all energy within 2 hours of taken a dose and was hungry as all hell.
I'd definitely recommend OEP to almost anyone and probably recommend HIT to people who are beginners and more sensitive to caffeine and what not.
[QUOTE=davidcausa;1051300271]from what ive tried
OEP original mix - very strong, killed me appetite and get me plenty of energy
OEP newer mix - not as strong as the original but still kept my appetite down but the crash became ALOT more noticeable.
RoxyLean - HORRIBLE. i didn't take the time to research this as i got it for free, but i took it for about a week and every time within 30 minuts of taking it i was throwing up. now after researching it i have found negative reviews everywhere.
ANS-HIT - These arent as strong as OEP but the energy is very clean. No jitters or headaches just very alert and focused. What i didn't like is that with oep I could take the 2 and sometimes 3 a day and be wired all day. With HIT the dosage is 3 a day butttt i was still losing all energy within 2 hours of taken a dose and was hungry as all hell.
I'd definitely recommend OEP to almost anyone and probably recommend HIT to people who are beginners and more sensitive to caffeine and what not.[/QUOTE]
roxylean making you throw up? Odd, I haven't felt anything from it except the niacin flush, which is fine with me. I'm still hungry as hell so it doesn't do much to suppress appetite. Also don't feel any extra energy from it. But I'm only on my third day of it right now. Hard to say how effective it'll be yet. Definitely going to try out OEP next time.
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Fat Burner with Crave Control
All Day Energy, Mood Elevation & Focus
[B][U]Key Benefits[/U][/B]
• Shown in research to decrease the drop-out rate of individuals on low calorie diet protocols
• Suppresses appetite so caloric intake can be reduced
• Reduces diet psychological stress and minimizes mood changes often experienced with dieting
• Powerful all day energy, mood elevation and focus
• Further enhance the fat burning process of exercise (via inhibiting alpha2 receptors)
• Great as a pre-workout energy/focus enhancer
[U][color=red][B]Theanine[/B][/color][/U]
Stimulates alpha wave activity in the brain and has been shown when combined with caffeine to be highly beneficial in improving alertness during demanding tasks. As an additional benefit, Theanine has been shown in research to accelerate mental regeneration after exercise and reduce the negative side effects of caffeine. The perfect supplement to combat diet and exercise induced neurological burnout that frequently occurs when dieting and training hard
[U][color=red][B]Green Coffee Extract[/B][/color][/U]
New research has identified a compound called chlorogenic acid which is believed to be responsible for green coffee’s ability to support fat loss and promote healthy blood sugar levels already in healthy range.* During the coffee bean roasting process, much of this beneficial chlorogenic acid is broken down and greatly reduced. LIV uses just the purest non GMO unroasted coffee beans, containing 50% of chlorogenic acid.
[U][color=red][B]Caffeine[/B][/color][/U]
[U][color=red][B]Dendrobium Extract[/B][/color][/U]
A key component factor of LIV’s formula responsible for:
• Powerful mental focus
• Sense of well being
• Energy boost
This Chinese extract is standardized for the component Dendrobine - believed to stimulate the release of norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine.
[U][color=red][B]Neuravena[/B][/color][/U]
A developed specialized wild green oat extract, that concentrates specific constituents of the plant that have been shown in research to boost the neurotransmitter dopamine and have a positive impact on stress resistance. The overall benefit is greater alertness, energy and focus, while stabilizing stress levels. By including Neuravena, we further enhance the end users optimal mental state needed to assist them throughout their day as they progress through their chosen diet protocol
[U][color=red][B]Rauwolfia vomitoria (standardized for alpha-yohimbine)[/B][/color][/U]
We have included the highest standardized extract for alpha-yohimbine currently available.
Unlike typical yohimbe extracts or yohimbine HCL, which impact both alpha and beta-andrenergic receptors, alpha yohimbine used in LIV is much more specific and works predominantly as an alpha2 receptor antagonist.
The benefit of alpha-yohimbineʼs specificity as an antagonist to the alpha2 receptors are as follows:
• Our bodies fat cells (specifically in the subcutaneous fat tissue) have a much higher number of alpha 2 receptors compared to beta receptors.
• Alpha2 receptors when activated, blunt/decrease the fat burning process.
• By blocking these alpha2 receptors with alpha-yohimbine, you allow your body to burn fat more effectively. This receptor specificity, allows alpha-yohimbine to have a much stronger fat burning affect than common yohimbe extracts or yohimbine HCL.
In addition, alpha-yohimbine exhibits far fewer negatives side effects often experienced with typical yohimbe. Some of these negatives, are increased heart rate, blood pressure that is brought about through powerful stimulation of the beta receptors that typical yohimbe extracts or yohimbine HCL stimulate.
[U][color=red][B]PhosphoLean- N-Oleoyl-PE + EGCG[/U][/color][/B]
• PhosphoLean® N-Oleoyl-PE + EGCG (NOPE + EGCG) is the "next generation" nutritional supplement compound for advanced appetite control and weight management. PhosphoLean® NOPE + EGCG is a safe, natural, and effective nutritional supplement compound that can help individuals manage their ideal body weight.
• Recent research involving the manipulation of appetite has shown that suppressing appetite and thus reducing the intake of food is an effective means to controlling both energy balance and body weight. Since appetite suppression is a major controlling point for energy (food) intake, managing appetite is crucial in controlling healthy body weight, especially when combined with health conscious lifestyle choices that include attention to proper food intake, dietary supplementation, and exercise.
• Under the severe stress levels experienced during dieting, studies have shown that PhosphoLean® NOPE + EGCG can effectively help individuals manage the daily stress of their calorie reduced diets and help them stay on diets for longer periods of time. Only this will lead to long-term diet success.
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For those unaware. Our new fat burner/appetite suppressant with strong mood elevation qualities, has just launched and should be available here at bb.com today or tomorrow.
Super HD
B4 is by far the best thing I've tried since the old formula of OEP
[QUOTE=mwhite45;1075887901]B4 is by far the best thing I've tried since the old formula of OEP[/QUOTE]
DCP by far if you can still find it.
What is a good one without caffeine?
[QUOTE=krtlarson;1090512263]First, I wanna thank AEN for sending me 5 samples of LIV to review. Must be an upcoming product since I got a week supply of it in my jackedpack too.
Now more about LIV. Athletic Edge Nutrition says that by taking this one could experience more energy, focus, and improved mood. I couldn't agree any more with this statement. Not only have I experienced clarity with my memory, but I have also felt happier and livelier while taking this. These past two weeks I have felt that nothing could derail my mood. Now even though I have felt more energy I needed to take two servings in the morning to really feel the effect.
AEN also boasts that LIV is supposed to curb cravings. Wow... If anybody is looking for an appetite suppressor I would recommend this definitely. I had essentially no hunger whatsoever at all, making my constant sweet tooth completely gone. Being a thermogenic, LIV works really well with complementing with cardio. I definitely noticed that taking this about an hour before exercise was perfect for burning the maximum amount of calories.
I can honestly say that LIV has impressed me nearly in every aspect. My only complaint would be that, being stim tolerant, I had to double the servings to really feel the results. No worries, though, as LIV as become my goto crave control/fat burner. Great work AEN.
Fat Burner 9/10
Crave Control 10/10
Energy 8/10
Focus 10/10
Mood 10/10
Overall 9.4/10[/QUOTE]
More great feedback on LIV continues to pour in, if you aren't already aware.
I thought that oxyelite pro (old version) worked really well for me on this cut...
had used stacker 3 xplc before as well and liked it too, but feel oxy was better for loss and craveings
I like detonate, it really kills the appetite well.
[QUOTE=ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION;1090818973]More great feedback on LIV continues to pour in, if you aren't already aware.[/QUOTE]
The link to your Free Samples is broken, if you aren't already aware.
so many to choose from
CLA
L-Carnitine
Fat Burner
CAPSI-BLAST ya!
[QUOTE=mwhite45;1075887901]B4 is by far the best thing I've tried since the old formula of OEP[img]http://goo.gl/VGMr58[/img][img]http://goo.gl/DPavgH[/img][/QUOTE]
Same here
(something about)keto+white flood (liked the most, but any caffeine source would fit)+yohimbine
then fairly short hiit/resistance training to kick in and then almost any kind of physical activity. that's what did it up for me..
Without reading through 130 pages... I am looking for something to top my last stack... Old OEP + Alpha T-2. I had decent results years ago with Man Vaporize + Scorch
Isatori MX-LS7-V2 was by far my favorite after trying three different ones over the course of a year I decided to loose weight February 1, 2012 at 260 lbs, I am currently at 204 in just over 1.5 years but at the same time have added a good amount of muscle mass. I dropped down to as low as 195 before starting to take more protein and creatine over the last year. this one gave the best results of the fat burners I have used.
Original Oxy Elite and Alphamine.
Anyone heard about Nutiva Go!Slim? Is it good?
The few I've tried years ago;
MAN Scorch nearly killed me-went to hospital heart nearly exploded in chest/10. Not sure if they still sell this but obviously wouldn't recommend.
Original OEP- no appetite on this. Felt clean energy. Worked well.
Now trying EHPLabs Oxyshred. Was stalled on 66.45kg for 3 straight weeks. Hopped on this for a week- down to 64.85. Very happy. Tastes great (Kiwi Strawberry), curbs appetite and boosts my mood/ "willingness"? I'd say v. Similar to Original OEP with a better taste.
Hydroxycut elite, oxyelite pro, cellucor super hd
A great one without caffeine would be MP3. Love that stuff.
i want to loose 8.0 stone over a period of 6-12 months using fat burning suppliments my diet has changed the last 2 weeks i'm now eating fresh fish daily and fruit and veg trying to keep my body healthy
So are there actually any Ephedra-Free fat burners that work or that you ... new Ripped Fuel has no Epehdrine in it, its still a good fat burner?
I have tried a lot of fat burners and the one I'm liking the most is Hydroxycut elite serious right now.
LipoTherm, works very well and the price can't be beat!
I would recomend a product called shredz. There is a product for men and woman with no ephedra or 1.3 dmaa.
albert.getshredz.com
[email]albert@getshredz.com[/email]
PES Alphamine is the new ECA stack. Nothing tops it right now in my opinion.
[QUOTE=RHFarris;1156561753]PES Alphamine is the new ECA stack. Nothing tops it right now in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I've heard great things about Alphamine....
Alphamine is still going strong for me despite what's going on with pes/usp. I used og oep and that worked beautifully for me.
Looking forward to Trying:
Aen liv
Dexaprine
Synedrex
Cellucor HD
B4
Really liked the Elite formula, but interested to try the new SX7. Hasn't been released yet, but this is definitely what I'm going to try next time I cut. Breakdown of the ingredients from the label:
SUPER XTREME THERMOGENIC COMPLEX 804.50 mg **
Green Coffee Blend (consisting of standardized green coffee bean extract (as Coffea canephora robusta) 400.00 mg **
supplying 45% chlorogenic acids and green coffee bean extract (as Coffea canephora robusta) **
Caffeine Anhydrous 135.00 mg **
Myristica fragrans seed extract (as Myristica fragrans) 100.00 mg **
Sage leaf powder (as Salvia officinalis) 75.00 mg **
Raspberry Ketone 50.00 mg **
Ecklonia cava stem and leaf extract (as Ecklonia cava) 36.00 mg **
Yohimbe Bark Extract (as Pausinystalia yohimbe) Supplying Yohimbine and Rauwolscine 8.50 mg **
If I were to recommend a fat burner, I would def have to say MRM's CLA 1250. I have been using this product for over a year now and I could feel it working about 3 weeks into use. After that I was able to just shed weight and keep it off. This product is very effective.
On day one of Cellucor Super HD and so far my mood is good, more energy, no appetite at all, and do not have the jitters/sweats like I did with original formula OEP (still was the best aid for me overall). Was on EC stack before the Cellucor and it just does not work well for me.
dcp/heat
I am new to the Body Building world and went into a Complete Nutrition store to look at supplements.
What do you guys think about Mega Shred? Is it worth the money? Is there a similar product for less $$?
Thanks!
lipo 6 black