Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

Animal Cuts.....

Tried it for 2 days; and gave me the sh*ts!

Animal Rep, is this normal? If so, I will continue to use. Is it the Diuretic that's doing this? I am a big coffee drinker, so I know it's not the caffeine.
Help me out, Please!

Thanks

Ive been on Hot Rox for 3 days now and today (3rd day) I had to take a dump 4 times in the evening and had bad gas all day. Anyone had this problem with Hot Rox ???

hey guys i got a supplement: UN Ultra Ripped, L-Carnitine (pure 0,5kg), Fish oil 200 capsules, and some multivitamins. What do you think about this supp?

Let me say a few things before people assume my red is because I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I was 245lbs last Christmas. I am 205lbs today. So what I'm doing and taking works.

I have tried a lot of thermos, and so far I have found these to work the best... (No order)

Tetrazene Extreme
Lipo 6X
Animal Cuts
Jetfuel
Arson

I've tried a lot, but I usually stack Lipo 6X with an actual thermo. A lot of people don't know that Lipo (Guggulsterones) and Lipo6X are thyroid pills really... so stack these with a thermo like... Tetrazene Extreme and you'll feel yourself buzzing all day.

I also take 1-2g of L-carnitine, muscle milk light and a good multivitamin.

Arson is made by the same people who make Hydroxy Hardcore. I stick with things that work... green tea, caffeine, etc... Tetrazene Extreme uses a much better form of tea then green; oolong tea... also has a really good appetite suppressors too.

*EDIT*

I've tried a lot more then what I've listed... take a look at one of my blog entries to see what I did to drop 40lbs in four months... (And add muscles)

I read some of my own blogs... and it looks like when I was taking Animal Cuts and 1g of L-carnitine and 1g of green tea I dropped 13lbs in about a month... I guess Animal Cuts work. :)

[QUOTE=mcubez817;164030781]Ive been on Hot Rox for 3 days now and today (3rd day) I had to take a dump 4 times in the evening and had bad gas all day. Anyone had this problem with Hot Rox ???[/QUOTE]

I don't really get gas from it, but I know it makes my bowels even more active.

If you want to try this heres a tip: Open a capsule, and if it smells bad, you probably have a bad batch.

Also, if you take it with food, try it without, if you don't try eating with it.

Danny.

I tried Animal Cuts for a few days and noticed nothing other than an increase in the need to urinate. I then tried Hydroxycut Hardcore, having had previous good results with the regular Hydroxycut; but again, noticed very little even when I took the maximum reccommended dose of 3 pills twice daily. I figured it was my massive coffee drinking habit at the time that had dulled my nerves to the presence of caffeine. I've since scaled way back and its been several weeks since I've used anything, coffee included. I'm trying to decide what to cycle back on this time, having a good supply of both Hardcore and Cuts left. I'm looking at the ingredients and I'm noticing that they have really nothing in them that overlaps, other than caffeine of course.

So what I'm wondering is, would it be possible to use some of both? Animal Cuts says one pack gives you 20mg Synephrine and 200mg caffeine, and Hydroxycut Hardcore says 3 capsules give you 300mg caffeine. If I took the Animal pack as well as 1-2 caps of the Hardcore, would that be too much? I seem to have a pretty high tolerance level for caffeine, but don't want to overdo it. I also would like to use them up, instead of buying yet another product. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

[QUOTE=TheKraken;164290801]I tried Animal Cuts for a few days and noticed nothing other than an increase in the need to urinate. I then tried Hydroxycut Hardcore, having had previous good results with the regular Hydroxycut; but again, noticed very little even when I took the maximum reccommended dose of 3 pills twice daily. I figured it was my massive coffee drinking habit at the time that had dulled my nerves to the presence of caffeine. I've since scaled way back and its been several weeks since I've used anything, coffee included. I'm trying to decide what to cycle back on this time, having a good supply of both Hardcore and Cuts left. I'm looking at the ingredients and I'm noticing that they have really nothing in them that overlaps, other than caffeine of course.

So what I'm wondering is, would it be possible to use some of both? Animal Cuts says one pack gives you 20mg Synephrine and 200mg caffeine, and Hydroxycut Hardcore says 3 capsules give you 300mg caffeine. If I took the Animal pack as well as 1-2 caps of the Hardcore, would that be too much? I seem to have a pretty high tolerance level for caffeine, but don't want to overdo it. I also would like to use them up, instead of buying yet another product. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.[/QUOTE]

You should give yourself at least a month for your body to stop being use to such a high amount of caffeine. I've noticed that if you mix Lipo6X and another "thermo", it helps a lot. As for the Animal Cuts, it does have Dandelion Extract which will make you urinate more often.

I mix a thyroid enhancer with a thermo to get the best... as for Animal Cuts and Hydroxycut... Why not try Tetrazene Extreme and Lipo6X. That will give you a nice boost in both energy and fat lost.

But yeah, you don't want to over do it... just chill with the coffee, replace it with green tea (which helps with the thermo) and get your caffeine from the pills and you shouldn't have an issue.

*EDIT*

Could you give us a little more about your age, weight, height, etc... this will help.

Sure, thanks. Age 36, height 6', weight 183 lbs (was 210 lbs 4 months ago, diet still holding). I have a very physical job, and try to work out nearly every day, which usually comes to 5-6 days a week lifting weights and half of those days adding in cardio, mostly kick-boxing. Its been well over a month since I last used any fat burner product, unless we count CLA, which I take after working out. The main reason I ask about combining these two particular products is, as I mention, because I still have a good supply of both. Buying yet another product at the moment when I have perfectly newish stuff still sitting around is something my wallet will not currently abide.

[QUOTE=TheKraken;164297511]Sure, thanks. Age 36, height 6', weight 183 lbs (was 210 lbs 4 months ago, diet still holding). I have a very physical job, and try to work out nearly every day, which usually comes to 5-6 days a week lifting weights and half of those days adding in cardio, mostly kick-boxing. Its been well over a month since I last used any fat burner product, unless we count CLA, which I take after working out. The main reason I ask about combining these two particular products is, as I mention, because I still have a good supply of both. Buying yet another product at the moment when I have perfectly newish stuff still sitting around is something my wallet will not currently abide.[/QUOTE]

Understandable. I didn't know you had said products still.

I know a lot of people might not recommend mixing (stacking) more then one type of product, but I do stack most often.

Just don't kill yourself. I lost 40lbs in four months with just working out every other day (if that) and working a construction job. Plus if you watch what you eat, the weight will melt off. It's quite simple once you get past the "cravings". The reason why I put it in quotations is because we crave the chemicals...

Just get some muscle milk, some oatmeal you like and lots of chicken and you'll be fine.

I've heard good things about lipo 6

Hi. I have tried them all. My body doesn't respond to most Thermos. There were a few that worked. In my opinion Lipo6 (any version) sucks. You won't feel a thing and you will see little or no fat loss. There are 3 products that are worth trying in my opinion. Gaspari's Cyto Lean, MAN Scorch and the best in my opinion is Muscle Tech Hydroxycut Hardcore. You feel it working. It gives you energy and you see results. Don't waste your money on most of the crap that is out there. Only buy from reputable companies. Muscle Tech puts a lot of money into research and they are on the cutting edge always coming up with great formulas and new ingredients to maximize results. They only use the best and safest ingredients. They are the leading brand in most categories.

Isatori MX-LS7 , Gaspari Cytoloan are good. But diet & workouts are far more important, if you get them right hard to tell if the fat loss supplement is really doing anything or not. For certain, they cannot give you the miracle before and after photos in mag's - definition / fat loss.

isnt lipo 6 more of an app control than an actual fat burner tho?

[QUOTE=beisaaaa;164876531]isnt lipo 6 more of an app control than an actual fat burner tho?[/QUOTE]

If people actually read what the ingredients do in Lipo, they would understand how it works and why they don't feel the "burn".

Lipo6 uses Guggulsterones...

[quote] I first became interested in Guggulsterones when I noticed a few studies on their thyroid stimulating properties. I discovered that Guggulsterones have a direct stimulating action on the thyroid gland through some or the other enzymatic mechanisms[/quote]

This is just a quote from the information I found here on this site. People think it's going to make their body burn, but I usually stack Lipo6X with a "thermo" and it works wonders. Lipo6 helps with the process and thyroid, while a thermo helps with heating up your body, etc.

A lot of things (Animal Cuts, Tetrazene Extreme, etc) have both, but things like Hydroxyhardcore, Arson, etc don't. They are just a fat burner, usually no energy in these...

Just like anything, really it's all about trial and error to see what works best with YOUR body.

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Any ephedrine and artificially made fat burner uses this as it's main content.

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DJIN...you seem to have some experience in the field of fat burners...especially since you dropped so much weight...congrats by the way...how do you feel about hot rox? what kind of supp is it? is it a thermo? etc. also what would you stack it with?? currently i am on hot rox and meltdown...not bad so far but its only been a week or so...just looking for some direction if you can help with my questions...

thanks

i got great results from Arson and Lipo 6.....does seem as though lipo 6 controlled my cravings alot better though.

i was 280 when i start working out lost like 50 pounds while on redline.
iam on animal cuts right now it seems to be working damn good. good energy and i can barely keep up with cals. i cant eat on this stuff the appetite suppressant seems to really be working for me. hardcore sucks,lipo6 sucks,ec stack sucks manly cause i couldnt take it i immeditly got chest pains.

[QUOTE=MikeDC82;162121341]I've used Animal Cuts, Hydroxycut, Hydroxycut Hardcore, Tonalin CLA, and Ripped Fuel before.

The Animal Cuts has definitely worked the best for me. I am currently using the Animal Cuts and CLA.[/QUOTE]

whats cla?

[QUOTE=Tru_Souljah;162459771]Has anyone ever used Lypolyze by Species Nutrition[/QUOTE]

Google, Usnic Acid. Then google Usnic Acid and Syntrax. Its not a smart choice.

[QUOTE=Tru_Souljah;162459771]Has anyone ever used Lypolyze by Species Nutrition[/QUOTE]

yes actually did try it to compare to DS's fat burner. No energy and didn't feel the effects were worth the health risks. DS's Adrenalean is the most effective fat burner on the market!

[QUOTE=super_power;165483581]DJIN...you seem to have some experience in the field of fat burners...especially since you dropped so much weight...congrats by the way...how do you feel about hot rox? what kind of supp is it? is it a thermo? etc. also what would you stack it with?? currently i am on hot rox and meltdown...not bad so far but its only been a week or so...just looking for some direction if you can help with my questions...

thanks[/QUOTE]

Your taking both Hot Rox and Meltdown at the same time??

has anyone tried or heard anything about Precision Engineered FIREBALL liqui-fusion diet pills??!? many say it is the same as hydroxycut hardcore but with hoodia. If not what pill can be better than this one

[QUOTE=limoD;151430581]Has anyone tried Muscle Asylum Arson?[/QUOTE]
i pose this question also!

Lipo 6 is good stuff

what would be a better fat burner than hydroxycut hardcore, i have been using it for quite a while and am not sure it has worked that well. i have not had any adverse side affects though which is good. Any one got any recommendations? i eat 6 small meals a day, with my diet being incredibly clean, and i do 3 interval training sessions a week. i just cannot burn the final part of the fat of my midrift to get all of my abs showing. any advice on where to turn?

yea Greek...meltdown and hot rox at the same time...i try to only take 1 of each because the chemical coumpounds are different in each one...although sometimes before my morning cardio ill take to hot rox to boost me up a little bit...i was on meltdown by itself but it did nothing for me...figured it might just be in my head so decided to stack it with a tru thermo (hot rox)

Anybody tried iSatori MX-LS7? I just got done with a bottle and lost a couple of pounds, but also was eating pretty well... Has this worked for anybody else?

Just always make sure you're taking L-carnitine (at least 1g [1,000mg]) and a good multivitamin.

Make sure the thermo has a good appetite controller. Tetrazene Extreme is a great example of bleeding edge.

A lot of people think "MuscleTech Hydroxycut Hardcore" is the best, but I call that good marketing. I know there's a lot of good ones out there, but just like people are different, so are thermos.

Just have to find which one works best for you. What you body needs to do it's best...

Thermorexin is still the best.

[QUOTE=burwell10;165719261]what would be a better fat burner than hydroxycut hardcore, i have been using it for quite a while and am not sure it has worked that well. i have not had any adverse side affects though which is good. Any one got any recommendations? i eat 6 small meals a day, with my diet being incredibly clean, and i do 3 interval training sessions a week. i just cannot burn the final part of the fat of my midrift to get all of my abs showing. any advice on where to turn?[/QUOTE]
I would move away from Hydroxycut. It's so commercialized making it more expensive than it is worth. There are a lot of infor regarding the contents of hydroxycut are not of the highest quality.

If you want a thermogenic burner, I personally like Man Scorch. It helped me a lot in getting rid of those stubborn fat when you are almost in the end.

I know Ephredea free - so Isatori MX-LS7 is good.

Incidentally heard a great many say that Ephreda is perfectly safe & the bans and media attention linked to deaths , etc was not substantiated, but as it was linked to many heart attacks and deaths, I'd rather be on the safe side & never touch it. Ephredrine sides are well known and listed by Doctors.

[QUOTE=yogini;166766771]I would move away from Hydroxycut. It's so commercialized making it more expensive than it is worth. There are a lot of infor regarding the contents of hydroxycut are not of the highest quality.

If you want a thermogenic burner, I personally like Man Scorch. It helped me a lot in getting rid of those stubborn fat when you are almost in the end.[/QUOTE]

I concur. MAN Scorch is one hell of a product.

Nutrex Lipo 6 is doing little to nothing for me, and this is on a very low carb high protein/fat diet coupled with daily cardio. If anyone is in the same situation but with a different thermogenic (i.e. cytolean, animal cuts, man scorch, HC Hardcore) PM me and we can trade.

[QUOTE=gregorious;166900731]Nutrex Lipo 6 is doing little to nothing for me, and this is on a very low carb high protein/fat diet coupled with daily cardio. If anyone is in the same situation but with a different thermogenic (i.e. cytolean, animal cuts, man scorch, HC Hardcore) PM me and we can trade.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone actually read about the things they buy? Jesus people...

Lipo6 helps your thyroid. And if you're eating proper and in a good workout plan, Lipo6 won't really do much for you... or help metabolize your food.

I wish people would actually READ what Guggulsterones Z&E and Yohimbe actually does. Perhaps your need a REAL thermo, Scorch, Tetrazeme Extreme, etc.

So I just got done with my first bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore, I lost 25 pounds in 5 weeks with a 3 week on/2 week off cycle.

Djin, thanks for the advice. Which real thermo would you recommend as being the best value for money? And which one would you most recommend if finances weren't a concern ? Why is there a difference (if there is) ?

[QUOTE=gregorious;167021291]Djin, thanks for the advice. Which real thermo would you recommend as being the best value for money? And which one would you most recommend if finances weren't a concern ? Why is there a difference (if there is) ?[/QUOTE]

I found that Animal Cuts is a good overall fat burner... since it's not only a fat burner, but also a Lipotropic, Metabolic, Diuretic, Thyroid, Insulin, Nucleotide, and a Neurotransmitter, plus a bunch others. It has 9 pills, which is hard to swallow first thing in the morning.

I found Tetrazene Extreme stacked with Lipo6X seemed to work well (for me). Since Tetrazene Extreme is a good thermo and Lipo6X works by upping the thyroid (but in a time released manner).

Sometimes, somethings that are more expensive then another isn't always good. I know you should always have L-Carnitine (at least 1g) mixed in with your stack. Also if the thermo doesn't have appetite suppressors then I'd suggest finding one that does have one or buying some hoodia would help too.

Like I've stated before, it's really a mix of trial and error. It's an expensive hobby, but the outcome (in my eyes) is well worth it.

Usually you'll want to find one that has a good mixture of green tea, oonlong tea, PEA, ketone, etc... Another thing you could do is eat raspberries. When you are on a low fat, low carb, high protein diet, your body starts to release ketones... which is the breakdown of fat, etc. Raspberries have this... or you could always buy a supplement too.

Anyone tried Universal Ripped Fast? If so, how was it?

How about Universal's nutrition Ultra Ripped, anyone tested? Please reply.

[QUOTE=Djin;166752791]Just always make sure you're taking L-carnitine (at least 1g [1,000mg]) and a good multivitamin.
.[/QUOTE]

You know best time to drink this? When working out or before or after??

[QUOTE=pu12en12g;3575570]The best "Ephedra"- free fat burner is BY FAR:

ECY stack + Nicotine + Tyrosine + Green Tea Extract

(add Synephrine and forskolin if you can find it)[/QUOTE]

Thight Hardcore + ECGC and L- Carn

[QUOTE=Derrick101;167601681]You know best time to drink this? When working out or before or after??[/QUOTE]

I use l-carnitine like it's going out of style. I take 1g in the morning, one before, and one after my workout... I kind of abuse this amino... ;)

It really depends on what you want it to do for you. L-carnitine is one of those aminos that are just amazing.

[quote]4. How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?

Between two and four grams of L-carnitine should be taken one hour before exercise, for two weeks.

Taking L-carnitine is very safe, although the DL form of carnitine may be toxic and is not recommended.[/quote]

That is taken from the information I found here. I use L-carnitine for its fat burning and energy, but there are many amazing uses you can get from this. And it's pretty cheap... I'd suggest getting the liquid over the pills. The brand from this site has a nice berry flavor. You can take it straight or in your shakes, etc.

You really think L Carn works??
You ever heard of D-ribose?

I was watching a video about this fat burner..

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlwZIVDi3g[/url]

[QUOTE=Derrick101;167635371]You really think L Carn works??
You ever heard of D-ribose?

I was watching a video about this fat burner..

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlwZIVDi3g[/url][/QUOTE]

I do believe L-Carnitine works wonders. At least 1g a day is what you should take... it helps with muscle fatigue too and a bunch of other neat things.

As for Ribose, I just read about it... seems interesting, but something I probably wouldn't use.

[QUOTE=Djin;167661831]I do believe L-Carnitine works wonders. At least 1g a day is what you should take... it helps with muscle fatigue too and a bunch of other neat things.

As for Ribose, I just read about it... seems interesting, but something I probably wouldn't use.[/QUOTE]

D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.

[QUOTE=dsade;167720351]D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty much what I got from the information I read...

[QUOTE=dsade;167720351]D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.[/QUOTE]

What can it do as a minor ingredient?

Here's some information about Ribose.

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ribose.html[/url]

[quote]Intense exercise causes a significant decrease in skeletal muscle energy levels. In fact, it can take 3 days or longer for these energy levels to recover! Recent studies show, however, that supplementing with high quality ribose hastens energy recovery in all types of skeletal muscles. This means you'll be able to work out longer and build muscle faster because you will recover quicker from intense workouts, having the energy to do more![/quote]

Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown[/url]

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.