Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=Roy_sea;265891501]Which is better. I know Mitrotropin is new so not many have used it for long if at all. But initial results which is better. I am seeing some good changes in my body, but I want to see where I can get myself to bodyfat wise and then maintain and firm up as neccessary.

Im 5'7/5'8 ish 161lbs. My trainer thinks I can only lose about 10/15 more lbs. Im at 20% body fat. when we plug my info and caliber measurements in the computer program it says I can lose up to 34lbs safely and get down to around 14% body fat.

I dont know I just want to see how much leaner I can get[/QUOTE]

both REDUction and mito look great and have free samples, so give them both a shot :)

All this talk about an ephedra-free fat burning product. Has anyone tried "Voodoo" its made by Reaction Nutrition. I got some samples while at the Olympia in September, loved the results. Just bought my second bottle last week. The best thing about this product there's no crash.

hi.. i would like to ask if anyone had tried the hydroxycut advance? How was the result? Whether is it worth getting it?

[QUOTE=yappopo;267174081]hi.. i would like to ask if anyone had tried the hydroxycut advance? How was the result? Whether is it worth getting it?[/QUOTE]

I took almost the entire Muscle Tech line for a month including hydroxycut advance I lost maybe 5 lbs. I switched to BSN and with atro phex I lost around 19 lbs. in a month and a half I was at 7.3% bf and in about two more months I lost 12 more pounds. Atro Phex was way better.

I tried hydroxycut advanced and it did nothing

i have finished the mitotropin program the other day. And i have to say i think i could have done the same with just the diet alone. I only lost about 5.5 pounds. I still say that out of all of the supplements i tried, Lipo6 by Nutrex gave me the best results in the quickest time, and i didnt even do any cardio. I just worked out the same. And for the price of MITOtropin, wow... Lipo6 was way cheaper and way better results...the water shed pills that came with the MITOtropin were no joke though, they really worked. I am startin a new stack:
HaloDrol
MethylVol
Lipo6x
and a nice liver cleanse,

The halodrol is just there to keep the muscles hard while i try to put on a light build, while also at the same time minimize the fat gain with Lipo6x. And i have to say that the original Lipo6 worked faster than the newer Lipo6x. I hope it gives me the good reults the other lipo did. I will post again soon.

My buddy tried out the universal ripped fast fat burner. and he says that it work quite well. Any comment if it is worth? I alway like to ask more opinons from people before i tried any brands.

Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!!

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;267559401]Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!![/QUOTE]

Before you adventure in the thermogenics, could you tell us a little about your diet? A lot of people don't know that if you change your diet you can shed pounds a lot easier then you think.

Thermogenics only make 10-15% of the complete puzzle, while diet would easily make 60% and workout/cardio makes the rest up.

You can take all the thermogenics, work out like an animal and eat like **** and never reach your goals.

I know Hydroxycut makes on for females...

My diet currently is the best it has ever been and it has been this way since I started back at the gym last December...It may not be close to perfect by any means but I feel it is rather good...Consists of 5 to 6 small meals and snacks throughout the day...breakfast is mostly eggs or oatmeal... snacks in between are usually apples with peanut butter on them, bananas, grapefruits, pretzels...lunch, tunafish plain, no mayo..lol...sometimes I am very much on the go so I eat it right from the can...lol...or I eat a salad..no dressing...maybe a yogurt after lunch or a peanut butter sandwich then dinner I mostly eat chicken or fish and a steak once in a while...I drink only water or cranberry juice but my downfall is Lattes...1 every morning and sometimes 1 in the afternoon...lol..keeps me going...

Like I said I am doing major toning and gaining muslce it is obvious as I am becoming well defined... I just don't want my progress to stall ...seems I have reached a plateau and need a little help getting over the hump so to speak....

I am aware that the leaner you get the harder it is to get rid of that extra body fat...I think that's bascially where I am at...

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;267695231]My diet currently is the best it has ever been and it has been this way since I started back at the gym last December...It may not be close to perfect by any means but I feel it is rather good...Consists of 5 to 6 small meals and snacks throughout the day...breakfast is mostly eggs or oatmeal... snacks in between are usually apples with peanut butter on them, bananas, grapefruits, pretzels...lunch, tunafish plain, no mayo..lol...sometimes I am very much on the go so I eat it right from the can...lol...or I eat a salad..no dressing...maybe a yogurt after lunch or a peanut butter sandwich then dinner I mostly eat chicken or fish and a steak once in a while...I drink only water or cranberry juice but my downfall is Lattes...1 every morning and sometimes 1 in the afternoon...lol..keeps me going...

Like I said I am doing major toning and gaining muslce it is obvious as I am becoming well defined... I just don't want my progress to stall ...seems I have reached a plateau and need a little help getting over the hump so to speak....

I am aware that the leaner you get the harder it is to get rid of that extra body fat...I think that's bascially where I am at...[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with lattes. I drink non-fat ones. Just coffee and steamed milk. No sugar or anything of the sort.

REDuction is good, but it gives you a nice steady level of energy. I lost 21lbs using REDuction for two cycles. I then used Animal Cuts (doubled my calories to 3,000) and lost 3lbs in 21 days.

I've used Xenadrine RFA-X and it seemed pretty decent, but I like to use thermogenics in cycles of two. (Seems the 2nd bottle really helps, then a couple weeks off to give my body rest from stimulants)

I enjoy MAN Scorch and Tetrazene Extreme. But I would really figure out what you want and then learn what is what and figure out the best thermo. I personally won't touch Lipo6 because of the guggle in it, but it's still #1 on the site.

Animal Cuts has guggle in it, something I didn't mind taking until I read more information about it. Perhaps you need to eat a few "cheat" meals to help spike your calories, which in turn will keep the body guessing and your metabolism in high gear. Just like cardio and working out, your body adapts to diets too. Like I stated, you might need to neat some "junk". (not cookies, pies, cakes, etc)

But my next thermogenic is probably going to be...? No idea. :) I've used Meltdown, but at the time of using it I wasn't nearly as strict as I am today and it might help me more this time around... but who knows.

So basicially you do not stick with just one burner...you move from one to another with breaks in between? Is that the rule of thumb to keep your body moving and guessing with them? Can you stay with just one? If not and I started on REDuction how long do you suggest I take it for then how much of a break then can I start back on the same one or should I try something else? Sorry so many questions..lol...

I also wonder if I even take in enough calories then I work off...I work extremely hard at the gym and the spinning class is very high impact ...I am burning alot of claories...although I eat healthy I don't think I eat enough but if I eat anymore or too much it makes me sick to my stomach...lol...

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;267722311]So basicially you do not stick with just one burner...you move from one to another with breaks in between? Is that the rule of thumb to keep your body moving and guessing with them? Can you stay with just one? If not and I started on REDuction how long do you suggest I take it for then how much of a break then can I start back on the same one or should I try something else? Sorry so many questions..lol...[/QUOTE]

You always read "18 week trial" "12 week trial", etc... you look at the bottle, most of them are 21-30 days.

I had good results with two bottles of REDuction, but my diet and daily routine was very strict.

If you were going to try a thermogenic I would do two cycles then 1-2 weeks off. If you go any longer then usually two months, your body will adapt and the thermo won't be doing much. Then again you could take one bottle and lose a bunch of weight if you aren't use to stimulants.

I found most supplements work better in cycles. A lot of time you need it to get into your system and stay there for a while before you get best results.

Thanks for all your advice...I will give it a whirl and see how things go....

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;267728511]Thanks for all your advice...I will give it a whirl and see how things go....[/QUOTE]

When in doubt, Google something you don't know... ;)

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;267559401]Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!![/QUOTE]sure, REDuction can be used by men and women. cycle on for 60 days, then off for 14, then you can repeat.

I have tried to "stick" to one fat burner, but my body gets used to them really fast. I have tried lots of them on the market; Lipo 6, REDuction, Arson, just to name a few. I usually lost a few pounds, then somehow gained them back. Looking for something myself to lose that LAST 10.

[QUOTE=Djin;267730181]When in doubt, Google something you don't know... ;)[/QUOTE]

Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks!

check out asia black that sh*t is potent and works great!!!!!! any questions pm me.. it is strong

[QUOTE=its_paul;268207011]Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

I enjoyed the added benifits of the black pills, but when I got off them I didn't really have any issues with sleep. I take 4-6 RED pills a day. :) I took 4 black pills the other night... I thought I was never going to wake up. It was a good sleep. ha

[QUOTE=Djin;268251461]I enjoyed the added benifits of the black pills, but when I got off them I didn't really have any issues with sleep. I take 4-6 RED pills a day. :) I took 4 black pills the other night... I thought I was never going to wake up. It was a good sleep. ha[/QUOTE]

i was just going to start a thread about taking more than 2 red pills with REDuction. i've been taking 2 for about 2 1/2 weeks now and was wondering if i doubled that if it'd help me shed some weight a little quicker.

my diet is in check and i do anywhere from 30-45 min. of cardio a day. i'm currently in a cutting phase.

Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...

[QUOTE=its_paul;268207011]Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks![/QUOTE]
you shouldnt develop and dependence at all
[QUOTE=redsoxfan85;268314621]i was just going to start a thread about taking more than 2 red pills with REDuction. i've been taking 2 for about 2 1/2 weeks now and was wondering if i doubled that if it'd help me shed some weight a little quicker.

my diet is in check and i do anywhere from 30-45 min. of cardio a day. i'm currently in a cutting phase.[/QUOTE]always follow the bottle directions and dont take more than suggested on there.

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;268358891]Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...[/QUOTE]
it will help you sleep more easily and a better quality of sleep. it wont put you in a coma where you cant wake up :D

[QUOTE=fishtaco;266461991]Hi, I just started taking Animal Cuts and want to lose quite a bit of body fat. When I heard about this product and read some of the reviews, I thought I'd give it a shot. I've only been on the product for a week.

After only a few days, I've never felt better in my life. I have more energy than I've had in years. I feel stronger on the treadmill I run faster and longer. My overall senses seem to be heightened and I feel more alert.

I was worried about feeling shaky or getting headaches but it hasn't happened. I go through my day and workouts like a machine and at night I sleep like a baby. I wake up refreshed and ready to roll.

Even my girlfriend has said she hasn't seen me this happy and outgoing in years. For her to say that almost made me cry. I'm now excited for the future.

With a good diet and Animal Cuts I am 100% sure I can reach my goals in the coming months. 2009 is going to a fantastic year. I feel ALIVE.

only side effect: I pee alot. :D

I highly recommend this product to anyone who wants to lose weight and feel better. For me, it's unbelievable.[/QUOTE]

Good to hear the feedback on Animal Cuts. Of course diet and training come first however once you have those in order Animal Cuts can be very effective.

[QUOTE=Fallinstarzz;268358891]Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...[/QUOTE]

I wake up all the time while on the black pills. Their main sleep aid is valerian root. Take a look about it. It's not like kava kava or anything along those lines, they just help "mellow" you out. But I have driven while on the black ones and had no issues... just felt "good". :)

well i have been on reduction for about 3weeks and havent noticed to much of a decrease in fat. im gonna give a second bottle of each a go and maybe use lipo6 or san hardcore to.

You should really give VOODOO a try. Reaction makes a great product line. I saw noticable weight loss off the first bottle.

[QUOTE=medici999;269021881]well i have been on reduction for about 3weeks and havent noticed to much of a decrease in fat. im gonna give a second bottle of each a go and maybe use lipo6 or san hardcore to.[/QUOTE]

You may actually want to take a look at VOODOO. Its by Reaction Nutrition. I got some samples at the Olympia last september, and it worked really well. I'm on my second bottle now. The best part is there is NO crash. You take it and when it wears off you don't feel like a terd afterwords. I'm really liking the results. They also have some pre and post workout products.
Hope that helps.

wtf is with all this "voodoo" pimping all of a sudden
we only like to pimp products the rest of the sheep pimp on here .... ;)