Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

I had been using Lipo 6. I ended up at Walmart somehow and wanted to check out what type of supplements they had as I didn't even know that they carried some major brands. I was browsing through and came across a couple of carts with all sorts of fat burners in them. All of the following were 5 bucks a bottle as they were getting rid of some brands they no longer will carry so it might be the same at Walmart's around the country:

Redline (60), Hot Rox (72), Xenadrine Super Hardcore (36), Xenadrine 8 hour Energy (60). They only had 4 Hot Rox and 9 Redline's left so I grabbed them all ;) Expirations vary from late 2008 to 2010. I also bought 5-6 bottles of the other ones as well just to try them out sometime. They had 4-5 other brands too that I really didn't care for so I didn't touch those..

I'm getting shoulder surgery at the end of the month so I'll be using some fat burners until I can get back to weights and then for probably a few months more :(

It might be worth checking to see whether they might have anything on clearance..

[QUOTE=zkid002;49777981]What exactly is Ephreda, and what is the difference if the fat burner has it or not? Does the fat burner work better with it or without it?..also which is safer?..thanks in advance if you answer these questions.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=zkid002;49777981]What exactly is Ephreda, and what is the difference if the fat burner has it or not? Does the fat burner work better with it or without it?..also which is safer?..thanks in advance if you answer these questions.[/QUOTE]

Look it up on Wikipedia. A fat burner is safer without it...a fat burner can be more effective with it.

[QUOTE=BurgerPimp07;49885431][url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nutrex/lipo6.html[/url]

That is the regular one that contains effedra. The ephedra free one says so on the label but is not on bb.com. [url]http://www.nutrex.com/lipo6ef.html#[/url][/QUOTE]

this looks ephedra-free to me. bb.com does not sell ephedra of anykind. hallucinegenics and fat burners dont mix well, fyi.

Anybody know why scorch is always out of stock?

Has anyone else tried Tight Hardcore? I have it and I like it more than lipo6. No caffine crashes, no shakeiness, and it makes me not want to eat at all. I've lost maybe 8lbs pretty quick.

Has Anyone Tried Six Star Muscle Fuel Rapid Lean Professional Strength. I Have Been On It About 30 Days And With That And Upping My Cardio I Have Lost About 21 Pounds.

i been taking vpx redline and dietex for a little over 2 weeks and lost about 10 lbs so far doing cardio 4 times a week...the dietex has helped me alot because i have had a hard time watching wat i eat and eating a ****load more than i needed to, but it seems to have helped alot with my appetite...with the no shotgun, im lovin this so far.

DNP lol

Call Me A Dumb Ass But What Is Dnp?

[QUOTE=thebasil;51914761]Anybody know why scorch is always out of stock?[/QUOTE]
Supply and demand. When the demand is more than the supply then said supply is depleted. Simple economics. It sucks too, I have wanted to order some more but can't due to that reason.

[QUOTE=sdthunder001;51984971]Supply and demand. When the demand is more than the supply then said supply is depleted. Simple economics. It sucks too, I have wanted to order some more but can't due to that reason.[/QUOTE]


Because BB is the only store in the world where Scorch is sold...

lipo 6 the original was great my old training partner used it and it cut him up more than he wanted and i heard the new lipo 6 is even better. needless to say it works so if you are worrying about ripoff supplements you can not worry about lipo 6 bcause you will get good results if you eat and workout properly while using it.

[QUOTE=MALS_11_IYAOYAS;52185071]Because BB is the only store in the world where Scorch is sold...[/QUOTE]

ive actually checked a few sites a while ago and i couldnt find it, or it was above 40 bucks :/

Hydroxycut Hardcore

[QUOTE=thebasil;51914761]Anybody know why scorch is always out of stock?[/QUOTE]

Ive tried ordering a second bottle..and can't seem to find any place with it in stock. I was told by My Supplements.com that it is pretty much on perm backorder...they said they haven't been able to get any in 6 months but MAN keeps promising that it will arrive soon.

[QUOTE=MALS_11_IYAOYAS;52185071]Because BB is the only store in the world where Scorch is sold...[/QUOTE]
No You could just go straight through Man if you want to pay almost double. Many other supplement "stores" online carry it as well, but just like BB.com they are also out of stock.

Lipo-6, Hydroxycut, and Ripped Fuel.. don't stand a chance next to DCP or Burn3d. It's literally throwing away your money... I've tried so many fat burners since 1999... and TTA supplements are the creme of the crop.

[QUOTE=sdthunder001;52498961]No You could just go straight through Man if you want to pay almost double. Many other supplement "stores" online carry it as well, but just like BB.com they are also out of stock.[/QUOTE]


....I was being sarcastic.

I got turned on to thermolean by a local store. Read the ingredients - same basic stuff as Lipo-6 but more of each ingredient and several other added. I lost 5 lbs. in 2 weeks. Way better than anyhting else I have used: Lipo-6, Hydroxycut Hardcore, Dymatreme Xtreme, Tight....Damn, how long do I have to diet for ????

Di nitro phinol (spelled wrong I'm sure). It is a fertilizer used in the 1930's for weight loss. It works real well but oh, IT CAUSES CANCER.

[QUOTE=pureenergy;52966601]Lipo-6, Hydroxycut, and Ripped Fuel.. don't stand a chance next to DCP or Burn3d. It's literally throwing away your money... I've tried so many fat burners since 1999... and TTA supplements are the creme of the crop.[/QUOTE]

TTA + SESAMIN rules

[QUOTE=jench;54730621]TTA + SESAMIN rules[/QUOTE]
DCP with sesamin is indeed a great non-stim fat loss stack.

[QUOTE=Justfit29;54659471]Di nitro phinol (spelled wrong I'm sure). It is a fertilizer used in the 1930's for weight loss. It works real well but oh, IT CAUSES CANCER.[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? No, it was never a fertilizer and no, it's not considered carcinogenic. Terrible post.

i have been takin this pills that helped me increase fat burning.
this pills are basically like a mix of different herb extracts(Green tea,caffeine, coccoa seed and others) that help increase fat burning.
Its called "RIPPED FUEL EXTREME" by "TWINLAB"

can someone please tell me wahts wrong with hydroxycut? is it a waste of money? why?

[QUOTE=bballa339;55388261]can someone please tell me wahts wrong with hydroxycut? is it a waste of money? why?[/QUOTE]

because when you have tried many, you have a good idea what works and what doesnt. for me it goes like this:

1) ECEGCG
2) Amp + Dialene 4
3) Scorch (bring on the raspberry ketone burps!)

NX Labs Methyl Ripped is the best in my opinion. It is an anti catibolic fat burner and has teh potency of a lipo 6x and hidroxycut hardcore.

Can someone suggest me an apettite suppresant along with a fat burner to stack with that works?

I've got a huge apettite all the time and it's difficult to cut. Thanks!

I bought Lipo 6 yesterday and will start on it on Monday...I will give you all updates. I took the advice of this tread and I hope the results are good.

For any of you that have taken Lipo 6...any advice on side affects, or when to take it properly or what not would be greatly appreciated!!

[QUOTE=Justfit29;54659471]Di nitro phinol (spelled wrong I'm sure). It is a fertilizer used in the 1930's for weight loss. It works real well but oh, IT CAUSES CANCER.[/QUOTE]


I thought DNP was a pesticide? I havn't thought of it for 5-6 years but from what I can remember...

"The Guru" Dan Duchaine ran several experiments with it. He found stories of the guys who worked with the stuff would rapidly lose weight and maintain lean mass, so of course his inner hardcore bodybuilder freaked. It was decided that it could raise a persons core tempeture so that basically you body thought it was working out even if you weren't. ie- benefits of exercise without doing any. Good right?

Wrong, it turned out the effective dose and the lethal dose were reaaly close to being the same thing. So if a person took too much (which was easy to do) they would effectivly have their own body cook themselve from the inside out. Imagine how a massivly high fever would damage your organs....

So he gave up on it as a serious fatburner do to the danger.

Like I said, most of this is from memory of some Muscle magazine 5-6 years ago (just before Dan died). I'll search to see if I can find validation.


edit: found validation - [url]http://www.dnp-resource.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=bigrobbierob;55597381]I thought DNP was a pesticide? I havn't thought of it for 5-6 years but from what I can remember...

"The Guru" Dan Duchaine ran several experiments with it. He found stories of the guys who worked with the stuff would rapidly lose weight and maintain lean mass, so of course his inner hardcore bodybuilder freaked. It was decided that it could raise a persons core tempeture so that basically you body thought it was working out even if you weren't. ie- benefits of exercise without doing any. Good right?[/quote]You don't take DNP to raise your core temperature. You make it a point when taking it to keep your core temperature in the normal range. DNP increases metabolic rate by making energy production less efficient. This has been likened by some to constant, low-level, steady-state cardio. You ask "Good right?". The answer is yes, in that regard it burns fat better than anything else available.
[QUOTE=bigrobbierob;55597381]Wrong, it turned out the effective dose and the lethal dose were reaaly close to being the same thing. So if a person took too much (which was easy to do) they would effectivly have their own body cook themselve from the inside out. Imagine how a massivly high fever would damage your organs....[/quote]The therapeutic index for DNP is relatively low, but if you know what you're doing, you've really got to mess up to take enough to kill you. The lethal dose is probably 4-6 times the therapeutic dosage. That's a relatively small factor, but still a big factor to mess up by. The primary reason DNP was taken off the market was because of cataracts, not because of overdoses. Death from overdose is very rare.
[QUOTE=bigrobbierob;55597381]So he gave up on it as a serious fatburner do to the danger.[/quote]If you have any references for this, I'd like to see them. I haven't heard this before.

I'd have to say Hydroxycut Hardcore worked for me, still is, amazing feeling when lifting heavy, and the fat burn is killer, def helped get the abs popping out. I am on a low cycle of LIPO-6, not as a effective for the heavy weights as hydroxycut but def leans u out well. Either one I'd recommend depending on goals.

[QUOTE=bigrobbierob;55597381]I thought DNP was a pesticide? I havn't thought of it for 5-6 years but from what I can remember...

"The Guru" Dan Duchaine ran several experiments with it. He found stories of the guys who worked with the stuff would rapidly lose weight and maintain lean mass, so of course his inner hardcore bodybuilder freaked. It was decided that it could raise a persons core tempeture so that basically you body thought it was working out even if you weren't. ie- benefits of exercise without doing any. Good right?

Wrong, it turned out the effective dose and the lethal dose were reaaly close to being the same thing. So if a person took too much (which was easy to do) they would effectivly have their own body cook themselve from the inside out. Imagine how a massivly high fever would damage your organs....

So he gave up on it as a serious fatburner do to the danger.

Like I said, most of this is from memory of some Muscle magazine 5-6 years ago (just before Dan died). I'll search to see if I can find validation.


edit: found validation - [url]http://www.dnp-resource.com/[/url][/QUOTE]



is reliable [url]www.dnp-resource.com[/url] ?

[QUOTE=tRaNs;56040901]is reliable [url]www.dnp-resource.com[/url] ?[/QUOTE]No, is not reliable.

[QUOTE=Conciliator;56051401]No, is not reliable.[/QUOTE]


I would be concerned about the quality of most DNP, since its mainly produced for pesticide and dye use. I dont think they are all that concerned about purity.

do they even have a USP standard for it?


I have used it, but I am just saying :)

[QUOTE=korexite;56742091]I would be concerned about the quality of most DNP, since its mainly produced for pesticide and dye use. I dont think they are all that concerned about purity.

do they even have a USP standard for it?

I have used it, but I am just saying :)[/QUOTE]I don't think DNP is mainly produced for pesticide and dye use anymore. It's not too environmentally friendly. Assays are given by individual chem manufacturers and purity is usually high (>97%), except for a few sources like ScienceLab.com.

As for USP, I don't think they have any standards for DNP purity, but they do have general standards for the accuracy of doses.

Hope that helps,
Conc

[QUOTE=tosca;51776391]this looks ephedra-free to me. bb.com does not sell ephedra of anykind. hallucinegenics and fat burners dont mix well, fyi.[/QUOTE]

BB.com does sell this ephedra product... as far as I know it is legit and is a technical loophole?

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vl/ephedra.html[/url]

BTW which ingredient is a hallucinagen?

DCP hands down.

That DCP has salvia? The same **** you can buy and smoke?

Sounds weird, I'll check it out because I keep hearing about it.

would CLA be considered a fat burner? i heard it is suppose to reduce your bodyfat % 1-2 percet over a year while maintaining your lean mass. any feedback?

[QUOTE=steve009;57082881]would CLA be considered a fat burner? i heard it is suppose to reduce your bodyfat % 1-2 percet over a year while maintaining your lean mass. any feedback?[/QUOTE]

they really need more research, but it doesn't appear to be as effective in humans as it seems to be in rats.

thanks man. anyone have any personal feedback?

[QUOTE=metalman302;56966611]That DCP has salvia? The same **** you can buy and smoke?

Sounds weird, I'll check it out because I keep hearing about it.[/QUOTE]

DCP contains Salvia Miltiorrhiza, a DGAT inhibitor. The one you are thinking of is Salvia Divinorum, which is a halluconigenic.

lots of cardio, and lipo 6 should be sufficient, but you gotta watch out becauswe when i take it can't sleep!

LIPO-6 the new liquid caps are great!! i dont crash off them and i feel good for a while.. without feeling all wirey and cracked out.. i take them a few weeks before a photoshoot with some waterloss pills usually mhp's xpel and i get cut for my pics but i feel soft and weak while im on them..

Just started dieting a few days ago, and i was wondering what would some off you reccomend me to take to help shredd the extra pounds? Im totally lost when it comes to fat loss pills.

[QUOTE=Bobbo22;57607381]Just started dieting a few days ago, and i was wondering what would some off you reccomend me to take to help shredd the extra pounds? Im totally lost when it comes to fat loss pills.[/QUOTE]

You need to be more specific about your own stats: weight, bodyfat percentage, diet, workout routine, cardio, etc.

This will help gauge which fat burner will be most effective for you.

[QUOTE=uniquenutrition;56914121]DCP hands down.[/QUOTE]

DCP is no joke.

what company makes this dnp