Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

fat loss stack. i lost a lot of bf on a cut with this. on sale till tomorrow

[url]http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/fat-loss-stack.html[/url]

[QUOTE=98zman;443290741]What is the benefit of just taking reduction PM as to both AM/PM? It sounds like the benefit of just PM will possibly be better sleep! Wouldn't you need both AM and PM in order to get full benefit of the product?[/QUOTE]
ideally you would use both. we sell the pm separate as well for when cycling off of the AM portion.
[QUOTE=Invictus_Nth;443392761]Based on the feedback here, I think I will give RED a try when I order more WF this week. I guess my only other question is whether anyone on RED has experienced any sort of GI irritation? I have to be careful with that, and dont want a constantly upset stomach or deal with running to the BR every five minutes. Cuz so far, I'm definitely interested in giving it a go.[/QUOTE]

sounds good. havent heard of any GI issues :)

So it's not too much to be taking White Flood while REDuction am/pm?

So this is my first post but I've been lurking on this thread for awhile ...I just picked up REDuction and started using it yesterday and so far im impressed i definitely have extra energy @ the gym especially during my cardio im still on one pill but going to up the dose to two tomorrow...I was going to try animal cuts but figured i'd give this a try plus the price is right..I'll post up my results when the bottles are empty

[QUOTE=D_Grundman;443617751]So it's not too much to be taking White Flood while REDuction am/pm?[/QUOTE]
nope, as long as you space the am tabs and the white flood dose at least 4-5 hours apart, you are fine
[QUOTE=inkman411;443749061]So this is my first post but I've been lurking on this thread for awhile ...I just picked up REDuction and started using it yesterday and so far im impressed i definitely have extra energy @ the gym especially during my cardio im still on one pill but going to up the dose to two tomorrow...I was going to try animal cuts but figured i'd give this a try plus the price is right..I'll post up my results when the bottles are empty[/QUOTE]

awesome to hear, thanks for the feedback on REDuction.

how was your PM tab dose?

30mg ******** a day ftw

does REDuction help with suppressing your hunger? I can't control my eating habit. and i know diet is 80 percent of losing weight. i tried hydroxycut hardcore. but thats too crazy for me. and i tried lip 6x but i dont feel anything from it. so i'm wondering if i should tried REDuction. thanks

[QUOTE=ninjawolf;444171151]does REDuction help with suppressing your hunger? I can't control my eating habit. and i know diet is 80 percent of losing weight. i tried hydroxycut hardcore. but thats too crazy for me. and i tried lip 6x but i dont feel anything from it. so i'm wondering if i should tried REDuction. thanks[/QUOTE]

absolutely, both the am and pm tabs have a hunger reduction complex.

[QUOTE=HamMach1;428151941]How many pills are in a Animal Cuts pack?[/QUOTE]

9 small caps

[QUOTE=rsk721;428320451]9 pills per packet, twice a day.

18 pills a day sounds bad, but as long as you dont mind taking pills they aren't too bad. Pretty good size pills though.[/QUOTE]

^^^

[QUOTE=pintado;429085001]my work starts at 8pm and ends at 5am. i workout after 5am. what is the best time to take animal cuts? would it still be effective if i take it when i wake up at 5pm and then 4 hours after?[/QUOTE]

That would work fine. 1 pack first thing in the a.m. and a 2nd pack 4-6 hours later.

[QUOTE=Tial;429640891]I will be taking animal cuts this time around. But my question is i start work at 6AM and end around 3 or 4pm. So when is it the best time to take the Supps?[/QUOTE]

1 pack first thing in the a.m. and a 2nd pack 4-6 hours later.

[QUOTE=bly3;431289551]with animal cuts do I need to still take CLA and L-Carnitine? If not, is there anything I should take other than the normal protein shake. Would a multi vitamin be overkill?

Also, I wake up at 5:45. Work 7-5 and lift 5:30. I assume take one as soon as I get to work and the other around 4?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

You should take a multi. You can continue to take CLA and Carnitine if you like

[QUOTE=Nivea;433840411]Whatsup with that 9 pill animal cuts?
lol, I got scared when I saw that huge pill package and even more scared when it started to burn my stomach. But I'm still alive :p and I've noticed it's working when I took 2 packages a day. Not much (in the eveing) when I take just 1 package.

The appetite supressing is not as great as slimxtreme used to be, but it helps (when you don't miss the second package.)

And no jittery/ancious/sleepkilling feelings present. So thats a big +

I've just started fitness, so I'll see how the real burning goes.[/QUOTE]

Glad to hear you like it so far.

[QUOTE=kmontalbano;433942251]Just finished Animal Cuts. Seems to work well. I could really tell the difference in how hungry I am when I don't take it. Will do them again.[/QUOTE]

The CCK boosting complex really helps crush appetite.

Trying the new UPSlabs Oxyelite and also using the REDuction PMs as well.

I've used REDuction AM/PM before with good results

I just chanced upon bb.com and this is a really great site. Got me started pretty serious on my workout. Thinking of ordering Hydroxycut Hardcore X and REDuction PM. Would it be okay stack them? Hydroxy in the morning, maybe before workout as well and REDuction before i go to bed.

edit: If I were to take PrimaForce Lean Green as well, where do I fit it in-between the other 2 supplements?

[QUOTE=MikeDC82;444320231]Trying the new UPSlabs Oxyelite and also using the REDuction PMs as well.

I've used REDuction AM/PM before with good results[/QUOTE]
sounds good. would love to hear your comparison of the two
[QUOTE=wheee;444584451]I just chanced upon bb.com and this is a really great site. Got me started pretty serious on my workout. Thinking of ordering Hydroxycut Hardcore X and REDuction PM. Would it be okay stack them? Hydroxy in the morning, maybe before workout as well and REDuction before i go to bed.

edit: If I were to take PrimaForce Lean Green as well, where do I fit it in-between the other 2 supplements?[/QUOTE]

that should be fine. did you consider the full REDuction am/pm kit at all?

i was looking into taking lipo 6x or animal cuts any suggestions

Could I stack Hydroxycut hardcore and REDuction AM/PM at the same time?

In the past I took Hydroxycut by itself and that shed about 20-30pounds. I got injured, stoped lifting that caused me to stop lifting, gained all the weight back Now I want to cut since I'm about 260-6'2" and no muscle anymore.

I was also wondering if I should also take creatine while doing this? or any other type of products.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;444788711]
that should be fine. did you consider the full REDuction am/pm kit at all?[/QUOTE]

yep. did consider the am/pm kit. But wasn't planning to stack the REDuction am with hydroxy. e.g. 1st month REDuction am/pm. 2nd month hydroxy in the morning, then REDuction pm at night.

i figured switching between different products will keep my body from getting too used to a single product and hence build up immunity against it. wouldn't like that to happen :)

[QUOTE=i6or;444998251]Could I stack Hydroxycut hardcore and REDuction AM/PM at the same time?

In the past I took Hydroxycut by itself and that shed about 20-30pounds. I got injured, stoped lifting that caused me to stop lifting, gained all the weight back Now I want to cut since I'm about 260-6'2" and no muscle anymore.

I was also wondering if I should also take creatine while doing this? or any other type of products.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
no. either take that with reduction pm, or just get the reduction set.
[QUOTE=wheee;445029091]yep. did consider the am/pm kit. But wasn't planning to stack the REDuction am with hydroxy. e.g. 1st month REDuction am/pm. 2nd month hydroxy in the morning, then REDuction pm at night.

i figured switching between different products will keep my body from getting too used to a single product and hence build up immunity against it. wouldn't like that to happen :)[/QUOTE]
interesting, let us know how it works out for you

Just orderer Reduction once again, because I need something thats not too hard on the body. It helped me lose a few kg the last time. Atm I'll take anything that doesnt touch my sleeping.

Animal cuts is still great, but my sleeping patterns have been ruined since slimxtreme, so I haven't been able to take it the continuously yet.


Quick summary of all fat burners I took untill now:

[b]Lipo6x[/b] : Worked great for a month, lost quiet some fat, had some good appetite suppressing. The next month it didnt do much anymore, except jittering me like hell. (- ±4Kg)
[b]Hydroxycut Hardcore[/b] : Lost some weight, but made me feel uncomfortable (- ±2kg)
[b]CL Reduction[/b] : Lost weight only the first week, but at least it kept my weight stable for the rest of the month. (- ±1.5Kg)
[b]Slimxtreme[/b] : Lost some extreme weight, but also my sleeping patterns and I've been walking like a zombie/with minimal energy since I havent been taking it (- ±7kg)
[b]Animcal Cuts[/b] : Works great when you take 2 packs a day (which is about a billion pills :p).

I also took some pure cartnitrine+creatine before I tried any of these, and that combo also worked very nicely. (some local brand)

I am trying Animal Cuts and it is giving me great results. Now i want to try REDuction AM/PM for a more cut look. Any suggestions regarding the gap in between both of these fat burners?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;443766751]nope, as long as you space the am tabs and the white flood dose at least 4-5 hours apart, you are fine

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so when is the best time to take the AM pill? first thing in the morning? right before a AM workout? cuz i plan on stacking it with WF and the AM/PM complex.

i run in the AM and lift at night. should i not take WF before running since I will now be taking the AM pill? and should i take the AM pill before running to get that burst of energy i normally get from WF? so as follows:

morning run: take AM only (or can i take both WF AND the AM pill in the morning?)
15 - 20 min before lifting in evening: WF
prep for sleep: PM

any suggestions on it would be great - thanks.

[QUOTE=Nivea;446019941]Just orderer Reduction once again, because I need something thats not too hard on the body. It helped me lose a few kg the last time. Atm I'll take anything that doesnt touch my sleeping.

Animal cuts is still great, but my sleeping patterns have been ruined since slimxtreme, so I haven't been able to take it the continuously yet.


Quick summary of all fat burners I took untill now:

[b]Lipo6x[/b] : Worked great for a month, lost quiet some fat, had some good appetite suppressing. The next month it didnt do much anymore, except jittering me like hell. (- ±4Kg)
[b]Hydroxycut Hardcore[/b] : Lost some weight, but made me feel uncomfortable (- ±2kg)
[b]CL Reduction[/b] : Lost weight only the first week, but at least it kept my weight stable for the rest of the month. (- ±1.5Kg)
[b]Slimxtreme[/b] : Lost some extreme weight, but also my sleeping patterns and I've been walking like a zombie/with minimal energy since I havent been taking it (- ±7kg)
[b]Animcal Cuts[/b] : Works great when you take 2 packs a day (which is about a billion pills :p).

I also took some pure cartnitrine+creatine before I tried any of these, and that combo also worked very nicely. (some local brand)[/QUOTE]
awesome to hear reduction has worked so well for you :)
[QUOTE=jgahlawat;446101541]I am trying Animal Cuts and it is giving me great results. Now i want to try REDuction AM/PM for a more cut look. Any suggestions regarding the gap in between both of these fat burners?[/QUOTE]
if you have only been on stims for 30 days then you can run a box of REDuction before cycling off
[QUOTE=Invictus_Nth;446138061]so when is the best time to take the AM pill? first thing in the morning? right before a AM workout? cuz i plan on stacking it with WF and the AM/PM complex.

i run in the AM and lift at night. should i not take WF before running since I will now be taking the AM pill? and should i take the AM pill before running to get that burst of energy i normally get from WF? so as follows:

morning run: take AM only (or can i take both WF AND the AM pill in the morning?)
15 - 20 min before lifting in evening: WF
prep for sleep: PM

any suggestions on it would be great - thanks.[/QUOTE]

am pill before breakfast if possible. if you are working out in the morning and taking white flood before the workout. then move the am tabs to before lunch.

since you lift at night, take the am tabs before breakfast and the white flood before lifting (assuming lifting isnt too close to bed time)

How can I stack theese products for 2 months ?

1.Gaspari Nutrition Mitotropin
2.NOW 7-KETO DHEA
3.Syntrax Guggulbolic
4.USP Labs OxyElite Pro

Is it okay :
1st month : Mitotropin + Guggulbolic
2nd month : OxyElite Pro + 7-KETO DHEA

and all the time Acetyl L-Carnitine, because my %BF is 25 and I need to drop it a lot in 2 months.

Or is it better to use Lipo 6 Black insted of Mitotropin ? Could I need to add Controlled Labs REDuction PM for optimal results ?

[QUOTE=cashbox;446310401]How can I stack theese products for 2 months ?

1.Gaspari Nutrition Mitotropin
2.NOW 7-KETO DHEA
3.Syntrax Guggulbolic
4.USP Labs OxyElite Pro

Is it okay :
1st month : Mitotropin + Guggulbolic
2nd month : OxyElite Pro + 7-KETO DHEA

and all the time Acetyl L-Carnitine, because my %BF is 25 and I need to drop it a lot in 2 months.

Or is it better to use Lipo 6 Black insted of Mitotropin ? Could I need to add Controlled Labs REDuction PM for optimal results ?[/QUOTE]

REDuction PM would stack well with any/all of those :)

Interesting

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;443766751]

how was your PM tab dose?[/QUOTE]

The PM pills work excellent. I thought they were a sleeping pill but they actually make you have deeper sleep.(less tossing and turning)


[QUOTE=ninjawolf;444171151]does REDuction help with suppressing your hunger? I can't control my eating habit. and i know diet is 80 percent of losing weight. i tried hydroxycut hardcore. but thats too crazy for me. and i tried lip 6x but i dont feel anything from it. so i'm wondering if i should tried REDuction. thanks[/QUOTE]

I can only speak for myself but i don't think there's any miracle supplement that can make you control your eating habits if you work out and are hungry after its your choice to go to a fast food chain or eat something healthier. Just don't try and stop all at once slowly eat better try eating something lean and high in protein for dinner with a tall glass of water for starters.

^thanks. Hydroxycut really help me with my eating. It made me feel so full all the time. but Hydroxycut also made me feel like i'm about to die... so i stop it! but i did lost 7 pound in 1 week. which was very unhealthy.


So i just got my REDuction in. I'm going to start it tomorrow after this Superbowl PARTY!!! eating fest!! lol

So how clean of a diet i need to be, when i'm on REDuction?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;446246091]awesome to hear reduction has worked so well for you :)[/QUOTE]

Would be perfect if it had any appetite supressing at all.

Animal cuts I think is the best product at the moment. It has been the most gentle on my sleeping after Reduction. Its pretty much side effect free like Reduction. But it has appetite supression, which makes it the better choice (if your health/sleeping hasnt been ruined by slimxtreme)

I'll be using reduction untill I get my sleeping patterns totally fixed or animal cuts and reduction pm.

[QUOTE=cashbox;446310401]How can I stack theese products for 2 months ?

1.Gaspari Nutrition Mitotropin
2.NOW 7-KETO DHEA
3.Syntrax Guggulbolic
4.USP Labs OxyElite Pro

Is it okay :
1st month : Mitotropin + Guggulbolic
2nd month : OxyElite Pro + 7-KETO DHEA

and all the time Acetyl L-Carnitine, because my %BF is 25 and I need to drop it a lot in 2 months.

Or is it better to use Lipo 6 Black insted of Mitotropin ? Could I need to add Controlled Labs REDuction PM for optimal results ?[/QUOTE]

Can you help me with organizing my supplements :

Mitotropin(or Lipo 6 Black which is better?),Guggulbolic,OxyElite Pro,7-KETO DHEA

1st month which one is better to take and which one is better to take in the second month ?

[QUOTE=shinna202;443439881]Is it ok to take 1 Lean Xtream and 1 Dicana, both pills before breakfast, lunch and dinner? 3 times a day or do each pill have to be taken on separate times? Is this basically like EC stack?[/QUOTE]

No - nothing like an EC stack in any way.

I space them out because I space out anything I take this way. I don't know if taking it your way would be just as good, because I've never tried it. Keep in mind; it's just something I found works - and there really isn't specified directions. It's two products by two different companies, so you may find it works better taking them the way you're suggesting - or you may not.

Could Animal Cut be combined with REDuction PM?

[QUOTE=spoonierme;448049071]Could Animal Cut be combined with REDuction PM?[/QUOTE]

I don't see why not but Animal Cuts is very effective on it's own