Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=ridemx445;312572371]Just got done with a full cycle of Reduction. I have to say I enjoyed the fact that you only take the pills in the morning and at night, instead of throughout the day. The morning pills make my heart pound before I eat breakfast, and seemed to get me through the day well. The PM pills are gnarly! I had some of the most intense dreams (of all kinds), that I still remember clearly! My overall satisfaction with the product is 8.5/10, results through the first bottle got me down 10lbs. I may buy another cycle, not sure yet.[/QUOTE]

WOW, spectacular results on REDuction for sure. are you trying a second box?

I'm about to get my Reduction, I was wondering what that intensive dreaming hype is all about :D I haven't had a dream in years (at least 1 that I remember when I get up), so I'll see if it works :p
But I'm wondering if its healthy long term?

I've been stuck on 92.5kg with Hydroxycut for about 2 weeks now, so I'll see if it works or not soon enough :)

Hey, Nobody has said anything about Thermolife's Dicana
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/thermo/di.html[/url]

[b]Any comments/opinions? Experience[/b]
Dicana™ Proprietary Blend: 2000mcg *
(A Proprietary Combination Of Patent Pending Diiodothyroacetic Acid Isomer)

Ginger CO2-Extract 20% Gingerols 166mcg *
Coleus Forskohlii 20% Forskolin

Diiodothyroacetic acid is a direct naturally occurring metabolite of T3, Triac, and T2, (1,2,3) which was never investigated or used as a fat loss aid before ThermoLife introduced Dicana. Diiodothyronines and their metabolites, like DIAC, retain the calorigenic and antilipidemic effects of thyroid analogues (4,5). Diiodothyroacetic acid in particular has been found to have very strong effects in lowering "bad" LDL cholesterol and reducing blood lipid peroxidation(6).

One of the prime concerns regarding using thyroid mimetics to promote fat loss is the danger of thyroid suppression. However it has been identified that only the 3,5 analogues of diiodothyronines (and thus their metabolites which retain the same key structure-activity characteristics regarding thyroidomimetic action) and not their 3,3' isomers suppress TSH levels, leading to hypothyreodism(7). The new version Dicana contains only the 3,3' isomer of diiodothyroacetic acid, thus minimizing thyroid suppression fears

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;313125731]Hey, Nobody has said anything about Thermolife's Dicana
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/thermo/di.html[/url]

[b]Any comments/opinions? Experience[/b]
Dicana? Proprietary Blend: 2000mcg *
(A Proprietary Combination Of Patent Pending Diiodothyroacetic Acid Isomer)

Ginger CO2-Extract 20% Gingerols 166mcg *
Coleus Forskohlii 20% Forskolin

Diiodothyroacetic acid is a direct naturally occurring metabolite of T3, Triac, and T2, (1,2,3) which was never investigated or used as a fat loss aid before ThermoLife introduced Dicana. Diiodothyronines and their metabolites, like DIAC, retain the calorigenic and antilipidemic effects of thyroid analogues (4,5). Diiodothyroacetic acid in particular has been found to have very strong effects in lowering "bad" LDL cholesterol and reducing blood lipid peroxidation(6).

One of the prime concerns regarding using thyroid mimetics to promote fat loss is the danger of thyroid suppression. However it has been identified that only the 3,5 analogues of diiodothyronines (and thus their metabolites which retain the same key structure-activity characteristics regarding thyroidomimetic action) and not their 3,3' isomers suppress TSH levels, leading to hypothyreodism(7). The new version Dicana contains only the 3,3' isomer of diiodothyroacetic acid, thus minimizing thyroid suppression fears[/QUOTE]

i would assume no one mentioned it because it's horrible

[QUOTE=ws26champny;313168761]i would assume no one mentioned it because it's horrible[/QUOTE]
Ok, could you be more specific? Like why?

[QUOTE=Nivea;313100701]I'm about to get my Reduction, I was wondering what that intensive dreaming hype is all about :D I haven't had a dream in years (at least 1 that I remember when I get up), so I'll see if it works :p
But I'm wondering if its healthy long term?

I've been stuck on 92.5kg with Hydroxycut for about 2 weeks now, so I'll see if it works or not soon enough :)[/QUOTE]

dreams are wicked vivid, you will love it :) (no need to cycle it, its perfectly fine)

I've always heard that fat burners were bad because of potential dmg to heart, but is that limited to the EC stack?
What i wanna know is, of all the fat burners in this thread, im guessing ephedra free, are basically stims? So they help get your heart beating a little faster when you hit the gym? is that it? (aside from appetite suppression)

Are some more extreme in getting the heart to beat faster? and is that basically what it comes down to for fat burners, getting the heart to beat faster?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;313202021]dreams are wicked vivid, you will love it :) (no need to cycle it, its perfectly fine)[/QUOTE]

Must agree on the Reduction, and the full extreme stack. First cycle of AM/PM loss of 6 lbs, Just started Reduction AM/PM, Blue Up, Blue Gene, Purple Wraath, White Blood, White Flood, Green Buldge.

[QUOTE=ws26champny;313168761]i would assume no one mentioned it because it's horrible[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;313125731]Hey, Nobody has said anything about Thermolife's Dicana
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/thermo/di.html[/url]

[b]Any comments/opinions? Experience[/b]
Dicana? Proprietary Blend: 2000mcg *
(A Proprietary Combination Of Patent Pending Diiodothyroacetic Acid Isomer)

Ginger CO2-Extract 20% Gingerols 166mcg *
Coleus Forskohlii 20% Forskolin

Diiodothyroacetic acid is a direct naturally occurring metabolite of T3, Triac, and T2, (1,2,3) which was never investigated or used as a fat loss aid before ThermoLife introduced Dicana. Diiodothyronines and their metabolites, like DIAC, retain the calorigenic and antilipidemic effects of thyroid analogues (4,5). Diiodothyroacetic acid in particular has been found to have very strong effects in lowering "bad" LDL cholesterol and reducing blood lipid peroxidation(6).

One of the prime concerns regarding using thyroid mimetics to promote fat loss is the danger of thyroid suppression. However it has been identified that only the 3,5 analogues of diiodothyronines (and thus their metabolites which retain the same key structure-activity characteristics regarding thyroidomimetic action) and not their 3,3' isomers suppress TSH levels, leading to hypothyreodism(7). The new version Dicana contains only the 3,3' isomer of diiodothyroacetic acid, thus minimizing thyroid suppression fears[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;313180501]Ok, could you be more specific? Like why?[/QUOTE]

^^This

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;313747391]^^This[/QUOTE]

I believe it is a T3 uncoupler similar to Mitotropin.

[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;313842271]I believe it is a T3 uncoupler similar to Mitotropin.[/QUOTE]
Sound about right.. But I am truly asking about this product. I am about to run a log with 2 bottles, and all I got back was...Quote:
[QUOTE=ws26champny;313168761]i would assume no one mentioned it because it's horrible[/QUOTE]

So... Seems as if nobody has anything to say about it?

I've actually heard great things about it...

[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;314106621]I've actually heard great things about it...[/QUOTE]
Sweet! Do tell

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5075393&highlight=Dicana[/url]

Thank you, but that is the old version.. Its been posted in 2007

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;314120461]Thank you, but that is the old version.. Its been posted in 2007[/QUOTE]

I'd still read it, essential ingredients haven't been changed.

Back in the day I took Lipo 6 with great results.

how does Lipo 6X differ? is it more potent, or something completely different?

so im being lazy and dont want to search, i tried hydrxycut like 9 years ago and probably 5 years ago tried an extreme fat burner from muscle tech,

i have never been big on fat burners but i plauto and am going to start on one to shread up.

i heard mixed things about lipo 6 some say works great some say it contains gogloetrogens or something that can cause gual bladder stones. every one said to just stack an ECA that its much safer b/c doesnt have all the crap in it.... i saw an ad for VPX meltdown which says it gives better results then an EC...whats your thoughts on meltdown also i was reading on hear about the on that there is an AM pill and a PM pill to help you sleep, i am deff very sensitive to stims so would really only take before my morning cardio...any thoughts???

everyone says an ECA stack... but the E part is illegal isnt it?

Hey, first post here. Umm, I was wondering if CL REDuction is good if you just take AM and not PM or if you can buy a regular type because the PM is just to large for me to swallow and I don't want to buy and not be able to take it. And will just AM work. Thanks, hope for a reply.

Ephedrine is no longer a banned substance. look for Vasopro Ephedrine HCL by Mega-Pro.

[QUOTE=Tear;314418521]Hey, first post here. Umm, I was wondering if CL REDuction is good if you just take AM and not PM or if you can buy a regular type because the PM is just to large for me to swallow and I don't want to buy and not be able to take it. And will just AM work. Thanks, hope for a reply.[/QUOTE]

the am pills are the same size as the pm pills

[QUOTE=Johnsonsk;314458821]Ephedrine is no longer a banned substance. look for Vasopro Ephedrine HCL by Mega-Pro.[/QUOTE]


so would this be the best bet for a fat burner???

i checked out meltdown by vpx and some reviews said it sucked cause its just a stim and the side affects do not out weigh the results??

Clinicallix this one got great reviews but hella expensive 60$$

Noxycut this one got great reviews too only 30$

info from this site [url]http://www.weightlossresearch.net/vpx-meltdown.php?gclid=CN2xlsHF5pkCFSMgDQo***eNQw[/url]

I've tried many of the hottest fat burners out there, and Mitotropin by Gaspari Nutrition had the best results (more than Lipo 6x and Hydroxycut Hardcore). I was down to my last 10 pounds, and I tried so many differnt methods. My suggestion is to drink ALOT of water and mantain a Ketogenic diet. I didnt follow the guide book because Keto is so different from the guidelines. They didnt lie when they said I'd look different after just 1 box. I look better than EVER before. Woot! Now i'm wondering about cytolean V2...hm.....

[QUOTE=wytchdoctur;314637151]I've tried many of the hottest fat burners out there, and Mitotropin by Gaspari Nutrition had the best results (more than Lipo 6x and Hydroxycut Hardcore). I was down to my last 10 pounds, and I tried so many differnt methods. My suggestion is to drink ALOT of water and mantain a Ketogenic diet. I didnt follow the guide book because Keto is so different from the guidelines. They didnt lie when they said I'd look different after just 1 box. I look better than EVER before. Woot! Now i'm wondering about cytolean V2...hm.....[/QUOTE]
Your 17.. why are you taking all that stuff

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;310812471]I have been on the Reduction+LX stack

so far I have experienced great results... i was between 215-220... im now between 205-210

I started with an intense workout plan... but the last couple weeks... i havent worked out much...

its been all work and school, and i am still reaping these benefits.

Thought my diet is pretty strict. I eat high fiber oatmeal in the morning, grilled chicken w/ a banana a few hours later. a sandwhich with high fiber bread a few hours later... then grilled chicken with steamed veggies as my final meal.

and my job requires me to move around quite a bit.

PS. is fiber supposed to make you this gassy? i take in about 30+ grams a day.[/QUOTE]

What is LX?

[QUOTE=drp3;314645651]What is LX?[/QUOTE]

lean xtreme

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;314476741]the am pills are the same size as the pm pills[/QUOTE]

Well it says on this site that the Am's are 380 mg while the PM's are 925 or 1300 or am I looking at the wrong ones?

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;314719771]lean xtreme[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot - I'll look it up. I appreciate the quick response as well.

[QUOTE=Tear;314768641]Well it says on this site that the Am's are 380 mg while the PM's are 925 or 1300 or am I looking at the wrong ones?[/QUOTE]


Not sure, probably what they contain but order a sample.

AM Pills Size = PM Pills Size