geeze, i guess i have to name some products to get some attention on this board. whack...
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geeze, i guess i have to name some products to get some attention on this board. whack...
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I used Animal cuts last month, i noticed some small results, but im pretty sure i am going to agree with everyone else who has said proper nutrition is the way to go. I try to eat high amounts of protein, watch how much fat and sugar I take in and watch the calories. yes it might sound like you hear it all the time but limit your calories. I am a poor broke college student who can barely afford books let alone all these fat loss products. just spending wisely and buying the proper food (which isnt too expensive) for a good balanced nutrition is not a bad way to go, hope this helped
[QUOTE=Lifter4Life59;211979151]I used Animal cuts last month, i noticed some small results, but im pretty sure i am going to agree with everyone else who has said proper nutrition is the way to go. I try to eat high amounts of protein, watch how much fat and sugar I take in and watch the calories. yes it might sound like you hear it all the time but limit your calories. I am a poor broke college student who can barely afford books let alone all these fat loss products. just spending wisely and buying the proper food (which isnt too expensive) for a good balanced nutrition is not a bad way to go, hope this helped[/QUOTE]
I spent $107 on food for myself. It was 80% gone in 4 days. So I don't know where you're shopping for healthy foods... the **** in Connecticut must be worth a lot more then from where you are.
I do not buy red meat, milk, cheese or bread. All fruits, vegetables, chicken, fish, turkey, almonds, nuts, peanut butter ,etc.... yogurts.
I am down to the last of my food which is oatmeal and peanut butter until 4:00pm tomorrow. Lol.
[QUOTE=Djin;211063591]
No one said that a thermogenic is end all/say all of fat lost. They make up about 10-15% of the whole losing weight.
Some actually are a lot better then you give credit for. Not only do they CURB your APPETITE, they can enhance your mood as well. They aren't all built around "Who has the strongest stimulant". Yes a lot are based around caffeine, but also a lot more are based around other things that work.
So I will have to say that YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK.
Unless you're some crazy person and always high on coke, they should help you... but we thank you for your input.[/QUOTE]
For many bodybuilders, they make up about, oh...ZERO%, you bring me up some actual evidence supporting these downright obnoxious claims that these supplement companies make about dropping weight...and im not talking about a "study" that your own company sponsors, im talking about a government based group doing it.
Notice how no one else even came up with anything against what I said, it's because fat burners are a crummy product that companies sell to poor souls who think that they need that edge. There is no natural product that will increase the percentage of calories burned from bodyfat, and there are no "appetite suppressants" that actually work when in a calorie deficit. So, bro, don't call me the weakest link, I just spoke the truth, and this bugs you because you know you cant hock your junk products to people like me.
[QUOTE=RNRW;212068981]For many bodybuilders, they make up about, oh...ZERO%, you bring me up some actual evidence supporting these downright obnoxious claims that these supplement companies make about dropping weight...and im not talking about a "study" that your own company sponsors, im talking about a government based group doing it.
Notice how no one else even came up with anything against what I said, it's because fat burners are a crummy product that companies sell to poor souls who think that they need that edge. There is no natural product that will increase the percentage of calories burned from bodyfat, and there are no "appetite suppressants" that actually work when in a calorie deficit. So, bro, don't call me the weakest link, I just spoke the truth, and this bugs you because you know you cant hock your junk products to people like me.[/QUOTE]
Even though I'm not selling a single thing... or part of any company. So I'm not selling you anything.
Also if you believe that there's nothing out there that can't help burn more calories (food, supplements, etc) or any form of appetite suppressant... I want to tell you that I also have a gazillion dollars, I own the planet Mercery, I also have a 14' penis, my arms are made from rubber and my can walk through walls.
Nice to meet you Mr. Caveman who doesn't believe. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I'm stating facts about how certain foods and supplements can and do react to the body to increase heat (thermogenics) and that increases the burning of calories.
Ever sweat when eating anything spicy? I wonder why... Hmm... maybe aliens?!?!?!?!?! *GASP!* If I was trying to sell you something, sure, I'd blow smoke and use mirrors, but you truly don't understand how the body works.
Where is this "actual evidence" you speak of? Hmmm.
[QUOTE=Djin;212072441]Even though I'm not selling a single thing... or part of any company. So I'm not selling you anything.
Also if you believe that there's nothing out there that can't help burn more calories (food, supplements, etc) or any form of appetite suppressant... I want to tell you that I also have a gazillion dollars, I own the planet Mercery, I also have a 14' penis, my arms are made from rubber and my can walk through walls.
Nice to meet you Mr. Caveman who doesn't believe. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I'm stating facts about how certain foods and supplements can and do react to the body to increase heat (thermogenics) and that increases the burning of calories.
Ever sweat when eating anything spicy? I wonder why... Hmm... maybe aliens?!?!?!?!?! *GASP!* If I was trying to sell you something, sure, I'd blow smoke and use mirrors, but you truly don't understand how the body works.
Where is this "actual evidence" you speak of? Hmmm.[/QUOTE]
I hate it when I'm trying to read through a long thread about an overall ephedra free fat burner and one guy plus a company representative make up 50% of the posts. Quite hard to make a honest choice.
[QUOTE=Djin;212072441]Even though I'm not selling a single thing... or part of any company. So I'm not selling you anything.
Also if you believe that there's nothing out there that can't help burn more calories (food, supplements, etc) or any form of appetite suppressant... I want to tell you that I also have a gazillion dollars, I own the planet Mercery, I also have a 14' penis, my arms are made from rubber and my can walk through walls.
Nice to meet you Mr. Caveman who doesn't believe. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I'm stating facts about how certain foods and supplements can and do react to the body to increase heat (thermogenics) and that increases the burning of calories.
Ever sweat when eating anything spicy? I wonder why... Hmm... maybe aliens?!?!?!?!?! *GASP!* If I was trying to sell you something, sure, I'd blow smoke and use mirrors, but you truly don't understand how the body works.
Where is this "actual evidence" you speak of? Hmmm.[/QUOTE]
First off, I NEVER said that certain FOODS can't increase metabolism, don't put words in my mouth, you moron. Plants like peppers that have capsaicin in them definitely increase metabolism. Many foods give off a thermic effect. Complex carbs like brown rice and potatoes have a very high thermic effect when compared to any high-fat food. All proteins have a high thermic effect, and when the body is put on a low carbohydrate diet in effect with a calorie deficit, it puts the body in a mode to burn a higher percentage of calories from bodyfat. Eating frequently increases the metabolism, since the body has to expend energy anytime food is ingested. Fiber is good to eat, since it is filling, and slows down the absorption of food, and that not all of it is absorbed by the body as calories. Ingesting some fat is good as well, as it, like fiber, has hunger-blunting properties.
On to the supplements.
Yohimbine causes anxiety attacks, rapid heart rate, and insomnia. Synephrine increases blood pressure immensely, and can lead to an increased risk of having a stroke. Guarana increases the risk of seizures. Hordenine leads to rapid heart rate, dizziness, insomnia, nausea, etc. glucuronolactone, while not reported to be harmful, just gives a mental lift, does nothing for the metabolism. neuromodulators like phenylethylamine make you feel good too...for about 15 minutes. There are no studies that show that Evodiamine actually increases core body temperature, at this point, it's just a theory. Gingko Biloba, while showing promise in other areas in the medical field, hasn't shown much in terms of weight loss, all it does is theoretically promote cognative brain function. Vinpocetine is a vasodilator, has no effects on body metabolism. guggulsterones have been proven to have NO EFFECT on thyroid function. Octopamine increases blood pressure substantially.
Did I pick all ingredients? Good God, no, that would take 20 forum pages to just give a basic description of each one, I just picked out some of the big ones found in nearly every product.
I know what I'm talking about. It is very possible, ON FOOD ALONE, to get absolutely ripped to shreds. Fat burners, have a large placebo effect, when the user is on them, they feel that they have an edge. Fact is, many of these products are rather useless for fat loss, and some are actually dangerous. Apparently, you can't even read someone's post correctly, you feel the need to retort to information that isn't even there.
[QUOTE=austintx26;212247611]I hate it when I'm trying to read through a long thread about an overall ephedra free fat burner and one guy plus a company representative make up 50% of the posts. Quite hard to make a honest choice.[/QUOTE]
Uh, bro, this thread has 67 pages, and I have a total of 4 posts in it...50%?
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[QUOTE=RNRW;212327471]Uh, bro, this thread has 67 pages, and I have a total of 4 posts in it...50%?[/QUOTE]
I didn't quote you, I quoted RNRW. Who has had success with every weight reduction pill he's taken and is responding to every single persons question/comment. I mean, it's good for him - he is a hard worker and that's his real contribution to this thread, but it just makes it hard to actually hear from multiple viewpoints.
One thing he did say that I agree with is that the majority of these Fat Burners/Weight loss pills have a placebo effect. The thing is, placebo's can work, especially if it will help someone's motivation.
lipo 6x
i used a serving of gakic and a serving of no shotgun...new to both products but very familiar with n.o. products....and its been 6 hours and im still up...and pissed haha...i guess now ill know better...i had a decent work out but the pump wasn't as good as i would have hoped
If it would be Animal Cuts vs. Zero-G, who would win.
Is Animal Cuts good for a non-athlete/bodybuilder, especially girls who want to lose fat.
[QUOTE=asalways;212650361]If it would be Animal Cuts vs. Zero-G, who would win.
Is Animal Cuts good for a non-athlete/bodybuilder, especially girls who want to lose fat.[/QUOTE]
They are quite different. Animal Cuts is stronger in the stim department and also has diuretic which helps get rid of excess water retention.
Zero G has the 7-Keto in it, older people tend to respond better to this ingredient.
In short, Cuts is "stronger" and is geared towards bodybuilders/athletes.
[QUOTE=naturalguy;212680341]They are quite different. Animal Cuts is stronger in the stim department and also has diuretic which helps get rid of excess water retention.
Zero G has the 7-Keto in it, older people tend to respond better to this ingredient.
In short, Cuts is "stronger" and is geared towards bodybuilders/athletes.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. Now, the question stands, can the Animal Supplements be recommended to people without doing workouts, if they have some problems. I am telling this because Animal Products have quite powerful ingredients. They can have good efficacy, but are they harmless too, for a normal average man. Please comment.
there are a lots of fat burners for bodybuilders/athletes. Is there any fat loss aid or supplement which will help a common obese man/woman or simple common man/woman to lose weight. Also considering the point he/she does not resort to exercise or proper nutrition.
N.B. Why is exercise and nutrition a necessity in losing fat? Please answer with sound logic.
[QUOTE=asalways;212768241]there are a lots of fat burners for bodybuilders/athletes. Is there any fat loss aid or supplement which will help a common obese man/woman or simple common man/woman to lose weight. Also considering the point he/she does not resort to exercise or proper nutrition.
N.B. Why is exercise and nutrition a necessity in losing fat? Please answer with sound logic.[/QUOTE]
Any sort of caloric restriction will warrant results in fat lose. Some people will say they are worthless, but if they are proven to increase your calories you burn, yes they will work, even if you don't work out... but you won't get the best results with out a good work out, cardio and diet.
[QUOTE=Djin;212824191]Any sort of caloric restriction will warrant results in fat lose. Some people will say they are worthless, but if they are proven to increase your calories you burn, yes they will work, even if you don't work out... but you won't get the best results with out a good work out, cardio and diet.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more. In order to lose fat you have to create a caloric deficit. Exercise and diet can do this. Supplements can enhance this however you have to have your diet and exercise in check.
[QUOTE=asalways;212650361]If it would be Animal Cuts vs. Zero-G, who would win.
Is Animal Cuts good for a non-athlete/bodybuilder, especially girls who want to lose fat.[/QUOTE]
I like a lot of universal products, but animal cuts just did not do anything for me. That's like saying BMW is a fantastic car, but I felt like a Benz is more my taste. I've been using MAN scorch for a while, and it is one of the few "fat burners/energy products" I can feel working. I have a lot more energy and my appetite stays quite controlled while using it, effects I felt void while using animal cuts.
[QUOTE=naturalguy;211079591]Yes, everyone that has 7-Keto licenses it from Humanetics corp.
The NOW product is straight 7-Keto (I have bottle in front of me) and Zero G is 7-Keto plus a lot of other ingredients:
[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/zero.html[/url][/QUOTE]
The only reason I won't try this product is because of the guggulsterone content. I avoid all products that contain this ingredient. The debate about its safety is well documented, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.
[QUOTE=nintendodude;213258031]The only reason I won't try this product is because of the guggulsterone content. I avoid all products that contain this ingredient. The debate about its safety is well documented, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.[/QUOTE]
Guggle won't kill you, but I understand your point.
My next thermo won't contain such supplement.
I'm going to stack a green tea, 7-keto and ???? Not sure what to make the thermo...
I think I've narrowed it down. Xenadrine RFA-X looks interesting to stack with 7-KETO and Green tea.
[QUOTE=nintendodude;213255821]I like a lot of universal products, but animal cuts just did not do anything for me. That's like saying BMW is a fantastic car, but I felt like a Benz is more my taste. I've been using MAN scorch for a while, and it is one of the few "fat burners/energy products" I can feel working. I have a lot more energy and my appetite stays quite controlled while using it, effects I felt void while using animal cuts.[/QUOTE]
What would u say about Zero-G. Tell me some more about what u felt about MAN Scorch.
The ones that have done great for me are
MHP DREN
Controlled Labs REDuction
and the Tri Stack from ALR
liquid L-Carnitine - period.
[QUOTE=CraigK;213494421]liquid L-Carnitine - period.[/QUOTE]
Lol. I use to take 4-5g of that a day, plus my thermo, plus green tea, plus 7-Keto. I love L-carnitine.
[QUOTE=seanf76;213351631]The ones that have done great for me are
MHP DREN
Controlled Labs REDuction
and the Tri Stack from ALR[/QUOTE]
glad you like REDuction, how does it compare to the other one you like ?
[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;213790741]glad you like REDuction, how does it compare to the other one you like ?[/QUOTE]
HULK SMASH!
Yesterday i started my Anabolic pump, Lean Xtreme, and REDuction stack. My training went really well, but i must admit my sleeping pattern was less than adequate. I woke up like 4 times during the night having has F*cked up dreams and didn't get all that much sleep. I took a lean Xtreme and REDuction PM pill on an empty stomach before i went to bed. Was that a bad idea ?
[QUOTE=Djin;213805341]HULK SMASH![/QUOTE]
awesome :D
[QUOTE=dvshane;214149061]Yesterday i started my Anabolic pump, Lean Xtreme, and REDuction stack. My training went really well, but i must admit my sleeping pattern was less than adequate. I woke up like 4 times during the night having has F*cked up dreams and didn't get all that much sleep. I took a lean Xtreme and REDuction PM pill on an empty stomach before i went to bed. Was that a bad idea ?[/QUOTE]
dont go to bed on an empty stomach
[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;214268501]awesome :D
Damn right!
dont go to bed on an empty stomach[/QUOTE]
I've eaten a whole jar of peanut butter and like 500+ calories before bed and still lost weight... lol
Do not skip meals. I use to think 1,500 was good... but now I'm eating well over 3,000 and killing the gym and looking great... plus still losing weight.