Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

VPX Redline

well how about the zero G fat burner ??
is it good ??
i think its kinda strong ... and good in the same way ..

[QUOTE=slickb0i]I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?[/QUOTE]

hey bro, PM me....i know website you can order this:

HI Tech Lipodrene with EPHEDRA / 100 Tabs
25MG Of The Most Potent Ephedra Around.

Proprietary Blend: 660mg
Consisting of: Sida Cordifolia Extract (leaves)(supplying 25 mg. Ephedrine Group Alkaloids)
Citrus Aurantium 10% (fruit)
U.S.P. Caffeine 100mg
5-Hydroxytrptophan
5-Methoxytryptamine
Green Tea Extract (leaves)
Cassia Nomame (whole plant)
Hoodia 12:1 Extract (Cactus)
Yohimbe 8% Extact (bark)
Naringen (fruit).

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SO this VasoPro stuff works? I just turned 18 and am 5'8 195 and play baseball. I've always had toruble with my endurance and keeping my weight down due to poor diet. I take medications for asthma but they are not meant to control asthma while running, this VasoPro stuff sounds like it works plus it's cheap! I read it is NOT a fat burner/diet pill, if it is a diet pill + soemthing that will loosen up my chest and help with my hard breathing while running it seems liek the perfetc fit for me. Help anyone? PLEASE!

used to be muscle tech

[QUOTE=weakling88]SO this VasoPro stuff works? I just turned 18 and am 5'8 195 and play baseball. I've always had toruble with my endurance and keeping my weight down due to poor diet. I take medications for asthma but they are not meant to control asthma while running, this VasoPro stuff sounds like it works plus it's cheap! I read it is NOT a fat burner/diet pill, if it is a diet pill + soemthing that will loosen up my chest and help with my hard breathing while running it seems liek the perfetc fit for me. Help anyone? PLEASE![/QUOTE]

I'm not a doctor, so you need to start by rereading this sentence a few times...

OK, done? Now, ephedrine HCl (like Vasopro) are sold over the counter to relieve symptoms of asthma (like tightness in the chest). I'm not sure what your sentence about "fat burner/diet pill" was all about, but let me tell you that you will definitely lose weight on this stuff. BUT, If you are already taking asthma medication, I'd speak to your doctor about interactions. Ephedrine acts as a vaso-constricter and a brachio-dialator (boy, the spelling was awful. sorry). That means it is having physiological effects on your lungs and heart. I don't know what effects you may already have from your asthma medication, but I wouldn't advise taking both without finding out, and if your asthma is bad enough, I wouldn't advise going off your asthma meds just to take ephedra.

It does help me to breath easier (vasopro) and it does give me loads of energy and make me feel like a race horse (I feel like I can just run forever on this stuff), but I DON'T have asthma. Be careful with this stuff. It's not candy, and you are pretty young to be causing damage to your body just now. Ask your doctor, and if he says its cool, give it a try. You'll like the results. If he says no, don't screw around with it. There are other ways to lose weight.

Peace,

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I was on ripped fuel way back it worked the best at the time.
It helped that I was real ative all most every day. Lost alot of weight(fat)
I was not eating the best for me foods all the time.
Well I got mest up in a car wreck so I could not do much wich then I stoped takeing it and put most of the fat back on damit I hate thiking about that.

Well I am takeing Htdroxycut Hardcore its working prity good.
I just dont like Muscletech at all. I fond some real people that where on it and lost some good weight(fat) so I was like what the hell I will try it.
When I am done with it I am going to take Clenbuterol.

I've just got off a 2 month Hydroxycut Hardcore cycle and while it was definitely effective, I will not be going back to it. First off, Hydroxycut Hardcore works by causing your body to release a stress hormone. This signals your body to release more fat from its stores to use as energy. Sounds great. Problem is, this increased stress hormone level also causes the release of other hormones, including cortisol. I didn't loose much if anything from my stomach while on Hydroxycut Hardcore. Since I've stopped taking it, while keeping everything else the same, the fat is quickly coming off my abs.
Also I became a raging PITA while on this. Always pissed off, stressed out, ready to rip someone's head off. A small price to pay for accelerated fat loss, but it just became too much. Started getting the stress headaches, neck aches, etc. Long term elevated levels of these hormones can lead to many heath problems. It's not worth risking your health to get ripped.

So again, it was effective. I lost 15 lbs in 2 months while gaining muscle. The side effects and risk of long term problems are just too much for me to continue using it.

ive been taking hot rox and it works great, one thing though, for people trying to stay away from ephedra, alot of the current fat burners that are now ephedra free have an herb in them call yohimbe, it has the exact same affect as ephedra and the same side affects, if you are someone with heart problems i would recomend staying away from those types of pills. I myself am currently taking hot rox which is working great for me, it does not have yohimbe in it and it realy doesnt stimulate the heart except for the small ammount of caffeine in it

I have used a ephedrine/caffeine stack and biotest hot-rox before. I am now on hydroxycut hardcore and I can say that hot-rox is the best for continuous fat loss and hydroxycut hardcore is no better than drinking a glass of green tea a day.

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All 3 are very good products. I tried Xenadrine EFX extra strength, and it was ok, not bad, but not as good as the 3 above

has anybody used a fat burning product called red x, my buddy's using it with good results the guy at the store told us that its basically an ECA stack with more stuff in just wondering if anybodys used or heard of it before, it's supposed to be almost pharmaceutical quality, anyways let me know what u think and how it compares to hot rox and if u all think it's pretty safe???

Recieved my redline liquid tooday, Id say this is definatly the way to go. Its certainly got some kick!

[QUOTE=digita1dolly]Recieved my redline liquid tooday, Id say this is definatly the way to go. Its certainly got some kick![/QUOTE]
Ive been using mine off and on and think its got some serious kick to it as well. I dont know yet whether or not I will buy another bottle when I finish this one..I might try HotRox instead.

Hey Rogue!
Yeah serious kick
Im same as you though Im not sure if Im going to get another bottle after this I fancy trying the hotrox too. Im finding this feeling cold all the time a bit strange but I could handle it now and again. Crazy stuff!

[QUOTE=digita1dolly]Im same as you though Im not sure if Im going to get another bottle after this I fancy trying the hotrox too. Im finding this feeling cold all the time a bit strange but I could handle it now and again. Crazy stuff![/QUOTE]
Ive never experienced the cold feeling..but then again Im never really cold, tending to be always a little warm.

I took it again today, and stacked with my Creatine and Arginine, my workout was INTENSE. I think so long as you dont take it every day (to avoid building something of a tolerance) redline is where its at for fat-burners. Having taken regular caffeine, HydroxyCut, etc Redline is by far the best.

Hi Rogue
Have you tried BSN Thermonex? I havent heard anyone talk much about it, but thats something Im thinking of trying. Do you know much about it?

You didnt get the cold feeling, its a bizzare feeling. Nothing wrong with being warm all the time mind you :O)

[QUOTE=digita1dolly]Hi Rogue
Have you tried BSN Thermonex? I havent heard anyone talk much about it, but thats something Im thinking of trying. Do you know much about it?[/QUOTE]
I havent tried the Thermonex you mention. I dont mind BSN products, but I didnt have great luck with my Nitrix or No-Xplode, so Im a little down on their claims, which are always ful of hyperbole.

I havent heard much on it to be honest with you, Id like to give it a go, maybe someone out theres tried it.
Ive heard good reports on the the no xplode n nitrax, you not impressed :( youre right the hypes always more than the product.
Where you from Rogue?

I'm a 21 yr old male, in very good physical condition (6 foot, 160, about 9-10% bf), good blood pressure, all of that. I'm cutting for summer right now and I ordered some ephedrine. I am somewhat reluctant to try it because I have never taken an ephedra-based stack before. Anyways, im fairly resistant to stimulants in general but Im curious if anyone here in my similar physicality had taken the EC stack and had any bad side-effects. I just don't want to keel over with a heart attack, all the bad rap about ephedrine has me spooked. Thanks.

[QUOTE=The Fallen]You can get Ephedra in most gas stations on the counter

Best Stack nowadays is
Tonalin CLA. 2 pills, 3 times a day. Or 1 pill - 6 times

Studies show CLA blocking Lipase, an enzyme in you stomach that stores fat.

Methyl Ripped (NxCare), Hydroxycut Hardcore(Muscletech), or Lipo 6(Nutrex...I think)

and a Hoodia product.

Vitamin Shoppe has one thats 500mg per pill and Lean XP (NxCare) are both good. Lean is nice because it has diuretics in it as well...

All in all....its like 18 pills, but its the best (in my opinion)[/QUOTE]


I have tried CLA and my issue is that the amount you have to take is much more than anyone would want to worry about for lmiited results. In addition, CLA has shown in certain studies to actually raise bad cholesterol and sometimes blood-pressure. Also, CLA provides no stimulant effect. It does offer a slight "hardening" but any natural product will fall short of the big guys.

I should say it is Thermonex
I just start to use it and the first time I use it I got this 'burning' feeling all over my body (since it have the thermogenic effect, which is good) and I have more power
and the best thing is I have lost about 2 inch of my belly
and its only less than a weeks
of course I combine with work out and diet
LOL

Eventhough it quite expensive, but I love the result that I get
and looking forward for the next result
LOL

[QUOTE=raimu83]and I have more power[/QUOTE]
You shouldnt have ANY gains whatsoever in strength as a result of taking a thermogenic. :confused:

has anyone tried Lean EFx by Nutricor??? if so how was it..


here is the product:(link)[url]http://www.*************.com/detail.aspx?ID=2277[/url]

or can you compare the ingredients to something you have tried??


thanks..

[QUOTE=RogueLift]You shouldnt have ANY gains whatsoever in strength as a result of taking a thermogenic. :confused:[/QUOTE]

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Well I know that, but I think its more mentally, I feel I have more power even though I am not sure whether it is true or not, but I just feel it.

Anyway Thanks bro.

I've tried Biotest Hot-Rox and love it. I've noticed reduced bf % from taking it combined with the weight training and cardio regimin. Just completed my 30 day supply and plan on running it again. It didn't really help fight of the hunger nor did it give me the shakes. It increased my mental clarity and gave me the boost I need to get through my 5am workouts. I recommend it to anyone looking for a Thermo.

-O-

Hi
Has anybody tried HYdrolean containing ephedra by West Pharm?

Is it ok to take lipo 6 along with a muscle gainer product like NO XPLODE, right now i'm actually taking a product really similar to No Xplode it's called pump fuel and it's giving me awesome results way better than no xplode I was wondering if it was allright to take them together?

Has anyone tried Spike.

Vanessa

Hey,

Couldn't help but notice this thread. Anyway, I was in shock recently when I found 2 products new to the market that , believe it or not , contain EPHEDRA... (yes i mean Ephedra, not Ephedrine). You can buy them Legally from a couple websites, and they use the original Ma Huang as well as several other old thermogenic blends. I will be ordering some myself soon and I thought everyone here might like to check them out. It came to my attention that alot of people wanted to know more about Ephedra Free burners simply because they didn't sell them commercially anymore.

Well, here is your chance! I've listed just two examples of such products below, but there are more I am sure. Good luck!

1.) [url]http://www.1*f*a*s*t*4*0*0*.com/?products_id=2468[/url] <--- *Note: BB.com wouldn't let me paste this URL, so just delete the asterisks and you'll have the right link!
2.) [url]http://www.tabolizer.com/corporate/order.asp[/url]
---> Note that on #2 the top product on the page is "Tabolizer WITH Ephedra. Cool huh?

[QUOTE=raimu83]Well I know that, but I think its more mentally, I feel I have more power even though I am not sure whether it is true or not, but I just feel it.

Anyway Thanks bro.[/QUOTE]
I thought you meant strength gains, which you should definitely not be feeling as a result of a thermogenic. That said, mental clarity can and probably should be raised as the stimulants in these supplements are known to do that. Its like taking ********, yet nowhere near on the same level. I know my mental clarity is sharper and I am able to do exercises with more focus as my mind is set on it.

[QUOTE=raimu83]I should say it is Thermonex
I just start to use it and the first time I use it I got this 'burning' feeling all over my body (since it have the thermogenic effect, which is good) and I have more power
and the best thing is I have lost about 2 inch of my belly
and its only less than a weeks
of course I combine with work out and diet
LOL

Eventhough it quite expensive, but I love the result that I get
and looking forward for the next result
LOL[/QUOTE]

I have been taking it for about 3 days now and i know what you mean about the "warm feeling" I started out with 2 in the morning and one in the afternoon today I took the recommended dosage 2 pills 3 times a day. The focus I felt the first day was very similar to that of Noxpolde and the heat that radiated from me after and during my cardio was intense. I too felt like I could push more weight, probably just a result of the extra focus.

So far so good, haven’t had any real negative effects since I'm not too sensitive to stimulants. I feel leaner and look leaner in just a few days, I expect a lot of that was water weight but I have cleaned up my diet in a big way so that. I’m sure helps as well.

One really cool side effect is that I have been extremely creative lately. I've been working on a novel for the past year and I had some breakthroughs in my writers block, pretty cool.

In the past I have tried Ripped Fuel which was absolutely s***ty, did nothing and was an absolute waste of money. I'm having my trainer test my BF tomorrow and Ill keep ya'll updated as to whether or not I continue to lose.

I'm Curious do you think i'm better off taking the hot rox or the lipo 6 if i wanna lose fat fast?... i'm like 180 lbs with only a little fat around my abs and obliques, and cardio just isnt doing it so i want sumthing to help out the process. Anyone who thinks they can help me out respond!!!

[QUOTE=devilrs887]I'm Curious do you think i'm better off taking the hot rox or the lipo 6 if i wanna lose fat fast?... i'm like 180 lbs with only a little fat around my abs and obliques, and cardio just isnt doing it so i want sumthing to help out the process. Anyone who thinks they can help me out respond!!![/QUOTE]
Although I have never tried Lipo-6, its ability to curb your apetite, coupled with its stimulants, should allow you to burn more calories while eating slightly less: The key to fat burning.

HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE without a doubt, that stuff is crazy -- absolutely the best fatburner(ephedra free) of all time!!!!!!!!

Definitely Lean-Rx by Dave Pharmacia...

Lean Rx:

Serving size: 3 capsules

Serving per container: 30

Amount Per Serving

Guarana (Paulina cupana)(seeds) 800mg**

White Willow (Salix alba)(bark)400mg**

MaHuang Extract 250mg** (Ephedra vulgaris)(plant)(standardized for 5% ephedrine)

Bitter Orange (Citrus aurantium)(fruit)(6% synephrine)100mg**

Cayenne (Capsicum annum)(fruit)100mg**

Vanadyl sulfate 50mg**

L-Carnitine 50mg**

Chromium (Picolinate) 200mcg
Other Ingredients: Di calcium phosphate and magnesium stearate.

[QUOTE=tribeca]Can someone give me a little advice on what the best fat burner out there is, since the banning of ephedra.

I live in Ireland, and there are very few fat burners available, most of them being thermogenics, so I am quite limited in my choice.

I don't have much to lose, but it's that stubborn layer of fat across my midriff that is really getting to me. I have been doing 200+ crunches a day for quite a while, and I can really feel the muscles underneath, but no amount of cruches seem to be shifting it.

I don't want to try cutting gels though.
NVE Stacker 2 EF looks good, but would like to hear from someone who knows a little bit more than I do.
I really would appreciate any help any of you could give,

Ta.[/QUOTE]

You can do all the crunches you want mate, still that bit of flab will be there. Check your diet and I used the HotRox for a month along with L-Carnitine and I can see my abs definition much greater now.
Where abouts in Ireland are you? I was born in Belfast and now living in America, if I can get you anything not available in Ireland let me know lad.

Sláinte,
Connor

[QUOTE=dressagerulz23]anyone know how HotRox, Lipo 6, Thermonex EF, or MeltDown Z14 compares to Zantrex (in terms of suppressing overeating)? i sure hope one of these works better, cuz i've head Zantrex is supposed to be pretty decent in terms of preventing overeating, but when my [B]"female hormones"[/B] :mad: kick in, i can f*cking max out on zantrex and still eat like 5,000-6,000 calories/day... :eek:

...a ****LOAD of food considering i'm a 5'3" female doing only like 30 min of cardio/day (due to injuries)... at least estrogen can't f*ck w/ me while i'm on ephedra :p but i obviously need to find another solution now that its banned[/QUOTE]

BSN's Thermonex is very good. It will increase your energy (a very clean rush) and concentration while suppressing your appetite. While using it, I lost about 23LBS over 8 wks with a clean diet and regular excerise.
I'm currently taking MuscleTech's ThermoShred...it sucks!!! Nothing beats the oldschool RippedFuel...that stuff was the bomb.

Has anybody tried BSN Thermonex EF before?

First of all, I should say I've never really been fat and I've always had a relatively high metabolism, but after I got out of the Marine Corps in January 2005, I didn't work for a few months and just ate and drank beer often. All of a sudden I was like ten pounds heavier from gaining fat and I had a little gut. (I was 195 at 6', so I wasn't really fat).

Anyway, I took Scorch for a couple months when I started working again (doing landscaping) and the combination of the two dropped me to 175, at which point I went and got my skinny ass back in the gym. So, Scorch worked well for me. It's the only fat burner I've ever used, so I cannot comment on any others.

hows leanfire inferno work? anybody here taken it?

Either Thermo Power Rush from GNC or Hydroxycut Hardcore: Both are horrible in taste and smell but when you talk one about I say 30min at the max you will sweat your balls off especially that Hydroxycut Hardcore.

I was told you can stake it with NO Explode and have no side effects.

I took it and dropped 5 pounds off my mid section in took weeks. I felt it did a great job considering I'm pretty much an alcoholic.